Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[Duty281]

First topic message reminder :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/269695.stm

And Hoddle's ex girlfriend was this faith healer's daughter...isn't love sweet?

[Champagne_Socialist]

But the fact that a number of witnesses believe Terry not to be a racist?

Why do you keep arguing john terry is not a racist? Are you john terry? No! So considering you are not john terry then that means you do not know his exact thoughts so we can't judge terry on his personal view because no one knows what he actually thinks apart from him. What we have to judge him on is his actions and using the colour od someones skin to insult them is racism and only a racist would use colour as an insult.

[Mat]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tom-cleverley-interview-scapegoat-midfielder-3132365

Saw this knocking about on Twitter, thought it was interesting. It appears even poor Tom doesn't know what he actually brings to United...

"My job goes under the radar at times. I am not a player who’s going to beat three or four people and stick it in the top corner or go round tackling people like Roy Keane."

“Don’t get me wrong, I know I can do better but people are making a big thing about how I don’t score enough goals when that is not necessarily my first job in the team.”

"Moyes wants him in a disciplined position as one of two holding midfielders and Cleverley has worked hard to adapt his game to follow his manager’s instructions."

“I watch Spanish football a lot,” Cleverley says. “If they pass the ball sideways but keep possession, the fans clap them.

“Their attitude is that as long as you have got the ball, the other team can’t hurt you."

So Moyes want him to stay deep and pass it sideways. Strange really, seen as they already have Carrick to do that...  

[Ent]

Fergie would have never let that interview happen, he's basically just getting slagged off.

I mean it might be true but I'm sure he feels great about it all now...

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tom-cleverley-interview-scapegoat-midfielder-3132365

Saw this knocking about on Twitter, thought it was interesting. It appears even poor Tom doesn't know what he actually brings to United...

"My job goes under the radar at times. I am not a player who’s going to beat three or four people and stick it in the top corner or go round tackling people like Roy Keane."

“Don’t get me wrong, I know I can do better but people are making a big thing about how I don’t score enough goals when that is not necessarily my first job in the team.”

"Moyes wants him in a disciplined position as one of two holding midfielders and Cleverley has worked hard to adapt his game to follow his manager’s instructions."

“I watch Spanish football a lot,” Cleverley says. “If they pass the ball sideways but keep possession, the fans clap them.

“Their attitude is that as long as you have got the ball, the other team can’t hurt you."

So Moyes want him to stay deep and pass it sideways. Strange really, seen as they already have Carrick to do that...  

[Fernando]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tom-cleverley-interview-scapegoat-midfielder-3132365

Saw this knocking about on Twitter, thought it was interesting. It appears even poor Tom doesn't know what he actually brings to United...

"My job goes under the radar at times. I am not a player who’s going to beat three or four people and stick it in the top corner or go round tackling people like Roy Keane."

“Don’t get me wrong, I know I can do better but people are making a big thing about how I don’t score enough goals when that is not necessarily my first job in the team.”

"Moyes wants him in a disciplined position as one of two holding midfielders and Cleverley has worked hard to adapt his game to follow his manager’s instructions."

“I watch Spanish football a lot,” Cleverley says. “If they pass the ball sideways but keep possession, the fans clap them.

“Their attitude is that as long as you have got the ball, the other team can’t hurt you."

So Moyes want him to stay deep and pass it sideways. Strange really, seen as they already have Carrick to do that...  

[Duty281]

But the fact that a number of witnesses believe Terry not to be a racist?

Why do you keep arguing john terry is not a racist? Are you john terry? No! So considering you are not john terry then that means you do not know his exact thoughts so we can't judge terry on his personal view because no one knows what he actually thinks apart from him. What we have to judge him on is his actions and using the colour od someones skin to insult them is racism and only a racist would use colour as an insult.

Because it got brought up again. And if a courtroom judge and a substantial number of witnesses say John Terry is not a racist, the latter group whom know him personally I would imagine, then it's clear he's not a racist.

And I'm rather confused as to your stance on this matter. Didn't you defend actual racial abuse (prolonged monkey chanting) from CSKA Moscow fans against Yaya Toure?

[Champagne_Socialist]

But the fact that a number of witnesses believe Terry not to be a racist?

Why do you keep arguing john terry is not a racist? Are you john terry? No! So considering you are not john terry then that means you do not know his exact thoughts so we can't judge terry on his personal view because no one knows what he actually thinks apart from him. What we have to judge him on is his actions and using the colour od someones skin to insult them is racism and only a racist would use colour as an insult.

Because it got brought up again. And if a courtroom judge and a substantial number of witnesses say John Terry is not a racist, the latter group whom know him personally I would imagine, then it's clear he's not a racist.

And I'm rather confused as to your stance on this matter. Didn't you defend actual racial abuse (prolonged monkey chanting) from CSKA Moscow fans against Yaya Toure?

I never defended monkey chanting, I argued that we should not jump to conclusions that it was monkey chanting until after the inquiry as cska released a statement saying it wasn't monkey chanting but booing.

So let me get this right, If john terry commits racist actions but terry's friends/family say that he is not a racist then that means in your eyes terry is not a racist he just did a racist thing. I read somewhere adolf hitlers mum saying hitler was not a racist.......

[Duty281]

And not just in my eyes; in a court of laws eyes.

It's clear to see that Terry isn't racist. He said something stupid in the heat of the moment, whilst being worn down by mental fatigue, being in the closing minutes of a difficult game, and after receiving prolonged abuse by Anton Ferdinand - vile stuff apparently, about Terry's wife and children.

That gets swept under the carpet and ignored, funnily enough.

Terry then snapped. We all have a breaking point, don't we? He regrets it, he's apologised.

Oh and I didn't say who the witnesses were either.

[Duty281]

Oh and you did defend the monkey chanting, by the way. You stated that none took place, and you even accused Yaya Toure of racism at one point.

[Champagne_Socialist]

And not just in my eyes; in a court of laws eyes.

It's clear to see that Terry isn't racist. He said something stupid in the heat of the moment, whilst being worn down by mental fatigue, being in the closing minutes of a difficult game, and after receiving prolonged abuse by Anton Ferdinand - vile stuff apparently, about Terry's wife and children.

That gets swept under the carpet and ignored, funnily enough.

Terry then snapped. We all have a breaking point, don't we? He regrets it, he's apologised.

Oh and I didn't say who the witnesses were either.

Is it that clear to see someone is not a racist who racially insults someone??? Justifying racism by saying someone was tired and fatigued etc etc is a slippery slope.

There is no justification for racism.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Oh and you did defend the monkey chanting, by the way. You stated that none took place, and you even accused Yaya Toure of racism at one point.

here are some of my responses

What evidence is there that CSKA fans were racist? As far as I can tell yaya toure felt he was the victim of racism because the fans booed him. You can't say it is racism when opposition facs boo an opposition player.

If I am correct Toure feels he was the victim of racism because he was booed more than the other Man City players. No way can we just say that it is racism that caused the booing.

To me it looks like on the evidence that Toure is the one being racist. He obviously has a negative view of Russian people and because they booed him he automatically presumed it was due to racism. Toure is the one stereotyping Russian people as racists, which is a racist thing to do.

Let there be an investigation where all the evidence can be viewed before people start jumping to conclusions. Innocent until proven guilty is a fundamental aspect of a democracy.

Like I said if monkey noises were proven (and more proof then just an unclear youtube video) then by all means punish. But from what I have seen and HEARD cannot be proven beyond all reasonable doubt as monkey noises. UEFA may have access to more cameras/ microphones when they had their case but the youtbube video posted is not clear at all. Toure said it was monkey noises like oooh ooh ooh and CSKA said it was booing which sounds like boo boo boo, there are no monkey actions with the body which would be used as evidence to confirm it was monkey chants and not booing.

[Champagne_Socialist]

And not just in my eyes; in a court of laws eyes.

It's clear to see that Terry isn't racist. He said something stupid in the heat of the moment, whilst being worn down by mental fatigue, being in the closing minutes of a difficult game, and after receiving prolonged abuse by Anton Ferdinand - vile stuff apparently, about Terry's wife and children.

That gets swept under the carpet and ignored, funnily enough.

Terry then snapped. We all have a breaking point, don't we? He regrets it, he's apologised.

Oh and I didn't say who the witnesses were either.

Is it that clear to see someone is not a racist who racially insults someone??? Justifying racism by saying someone was tired and fatigued etc etc is a slippery slope.

There is no justification for racism.

lets stick to this issue rather than you trying to squirm your way out by trying to change the subject.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Eugh nobody cares

Onto more important matters, mahoosive game at Upton Park tomorrow. Dolph, Guildford or any other hammers attending?

[mystiroakey]

See zaha being a d!ck on twitter, not sure who he thinks he is.

im sure mysti will blame moyes somehow

you jest- but its a managers job to manage his players.

If my engineers went on a bender in there work uniform or went on twitter blasting my company- I would be marginally responsible.

But look fact is I have no idea what he has said on twitter.. But yes fact is managers need to sort the youngsters out as much as the youngsters need to sort themselves out.. Its the old lads job to sort out the youngons.. 

If what he has done is bang out of order he deserves to be slated and punished for it. Just like Moyes deserves to be slated for being inadequate in many ways..

Hell I would still buy them both a drink though. They are just humans..






]

[The Fourth Lion]

See zaha being a d!ck on twitter, not sure who he thinks he is.

im sure mysti will blame moyes somehow

you jest- but its a managers job to manage his players.

If my engineers went on a bender in there work uniform or went on twitter blasting my company- I would be marginally responsible.

But look fact is I have no idea what he has said on twitter.. But yes fact is managers need to sort the youngsters out as much as the youngsters need to sort themselves out.. Its the old lads job to sort out the youngons.. 

If what he has done is bang out of order he deserves to be slated and punished for it. Just like Moyes deserves to be slated for being inadequate in many ways..

Hell I would still buy them both a drink though. They are just humans..
]

It beats me why people have to say anything on Twitter at all.  Why do they not just stay off the wretched thing and thus avoid giving ammunition to those who would use it to take pot shots at them..?  

"It is a good rule in life never to explain too much.  The right sort of people don’t want you to and the wrong sort of people take mean advantage of it."
(P G Wodehouse,  “The Man Upstairs”)

[Duty281]

And not just in my eyes; in a court of laws eyes.

It's clear to see that Terry isn't racist. He said something stupid in the heat of the moment, whilst being worn down by mental fatigue, being in the closing minutes of a difficult game, and after receiving prolonged abuse by Anton Ferdinand - vile stuff apparently, about Terry's wife and children.

That gets swept under the carpet and ignored, funnily enough.

Terry then snapped. We all have a breaking point, don't we? He regrets it, he's apologised.

Oh and I didn't say who the witnesses were either.

Is it that clear to see someone is not a racist who racially insults someone??? Justifying racism by saying someone was tired and fatigued etc etc is a slippery slope.

There is no justification for racism.

It is a mitigating circumstance. I remember someone once homophobically abused me at secondary school during a fight we were having - were they homophobic? No. Did they say something they didn't mean and probably regret? Yes.

A court of law was rather clear on the matter that John Terry isn't a racist; the court received a substantial wealth of evidence to that affect, both written and spoken. One isolated incident does not make someone a racist.

[Champagne_Socialist]

And not just in my eyes; in a court of laws eyes.

It's clear to see that Terry isn't racist. He said something stupid in the heat of the moment, whilst being worn down by mental fatigue, being in the closing minutes of a difficult game, and after receiving prolonged abuse by Anton Ferdinand - vile stuff apparently, about Terry's wife and children.

That gets swept under the carpet and ignored, funnily enough.

Terry then snapped. We all have a breaking point, don't we? He regrets it, he's apologised.

Oh and I didn't say who the witnesses were either.

Is it that clear to see someone is not a racist who racially insults someone??? Justifying racism by saying someone was tired and fatigued etc etc is a slippery slope.

There is no justification for racism.

It is a mitigating circumstance. I remember someone once homophobically abused me at secondary school during a fight we were having - were they homophobic? No. Did they say something they didn't mean and probably regret? Yes.

A court of law was rather clear on the matter that John Terry isn't a racist; the court received a substantial wealth of evidence to that affect, both written and spoken. One isolated incident does not make someone a racist.

Court of law also said OJ simpson was not guilty of murder........

If you give racist abuse then you are a racist, you might believe otherwise but I don't.

[Duty281]

Bit different though - murder and racism.

And I will continue to believe otherwise, the world is not simply black and white. You should always consider mitigating circumstances and such like. A court of law, the learned people on this matter, happen to agree with me.

[CFCNick]

Not so sure about that Nick, I think Jose likes to forget how much Chelsea have spent on players as well, they are only in the position they are because of a rich owner.

Anyone who's ever won anything in football has been one of the top spenders in their league. United were lucky they won the league when all the Sky money came into football and made them richer than everyone else.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Bit different though - murder and racism.

And I will continue to believe otherwise, the world is not simply black and white. You should always consider mitigating circumstances and such like. A court of law, the learned people on this matter, happen to agree with me.

The court of law said oj simpson was innocent of murder..... doesn't matter that murder is different to racism as the principle is the same that a court of law doesn't always get it right.

John terry in my eyes is a racist, you don't give out racist abuse unless you are a racist. One of your mitigating circumstances was that john terry had just been playing nearly 90 minutes of football so he was a bit tired   I'm hardly going to take your views seriously when you spout nonsense like that.

But anyway this mini debate is pointless as it is a debate neither of us will agree with. I believe john terry is a racist for using racist language towards someone in public and you believe he isn't a racist.

[Duty281]

Bit different though - murder and racism.

And I will continue to believe otherwise, the world is not simply black and white. You should always consider mitigating circumstances and such like. A court of law, the learned people on this matter, happen to agree with me.

The court of law said oj simpson was innocent of murder..... doesn't matter that murder is different to racism as the principle is the same that a court of law doesn't always get it right.

John terry in my eyes is a racist, you don't give out racist abuse unless you are a racist. One of your mitigating circumstances was that john terry had just been playing nearly 90 minutes of football so he was a bit tired   I'm hardly going to take your views seriously when you spout nonsense like that.

But anyway this mini debate is pointless as it is a debate neither of us will agree with. I believe john terry is a racist for using racist language towards someone in public and you believe he isn't a racist.

No my dear, that was one of the mitigating circumstances that the court stated- I was simply quoting it.

[westisbest]

Tonights games
 
Cardiff 1 THE MIGHTY VILLA 2  
Hull 2 Saints 2
WBA 0 Chelsea 3
West Ham 2 Norwich 0

[westisbest]

Also great to see our game lon live.

[Duty281]

Robbie Savage's pre-season prediction was that Citeh would win the league. He then changed his mind on Friday and, writing in the Daily Mirror, said Arsenal would win the league. Now on the BBC today, he's saying Chelsea will win the league.

He can't be wrong, surely? #basescovered

[Champagne_Socialist]

Bit different though - murder and racism.

And I will continue to believe otherwise, the world is not simply black and white. You should always consider mitigating circumstances and such like. A court of law, the learned people on this matter, happen to agree with me.

The court of law said oj simpson was innocent of murder..... doesn't matter that murder is different to racism as the principle is the same that a court of law doesn't always get it right.

John terry in my eyes is a racist, you don't give out racist abuse unless you are a racist. One of your mitigating circumstances was that john terry had just been playing nearly 90 minutes of football so he was a bit tired   I'm hardly going to take your views seriously when you spout nonsense like that.

But anyway this mini debate is pointless as it is a debate neither of us will agree with. I believe john terry is a racist for using racist language towards someone in public and you believe he isn't a racist.

No my dear, that was one of the mitigating circumstances that the court stated- I was simply quoting it.

being sleepy is now officially a mitigating factor for all offences   I think it further emphasizes my point that courts make incorrect judgements.

I remember a case a few years ago where some activists broke into an air base and destroyed an army aircraft. they were arrested and put on trial for criminal damage among other things. They pleaded not guilty and their argument was that they were acting in self defence because they were saving the lives of innocent peope who that aircraft would kill in iraq and afganistan. The jury found them not guilty.

[westisbest]

Savage is another fool.
 
Smile every time I think back to when Dion headbutted him in the Villa/blues game. 

[Duty281]

Bit different though - murder and racism.

And I will continue to believe otherwise, the world is not simply black and white. You should always consider mitigating circumstances and such like. A court of law, the learned people on this matter, happen to agree with me.

The court of law said oj simpson was innocent of murder..... doesn't matter that murder is different to racism as the principle is the same that a court of law doesn't always get it right.

John terry in my eyes is a racist, you don't give out racist abuse unless you are a racist. One of your mitigating circumstances was that john terry had just been playing nearly 90 minutes of football so he was a bit tired   I'm hardly going to take your views seriously when you spout nonsense like that.

But anyway this mini debate is pointless as it is a debate neither of us will agree with. I believe john terry is a racist for using racist language towards someone in public and you believe he isn't a racist.

No my dear, that was one of the mitigating circumstances that the court stated- I was simply quoting it.

being sleepy is now officially a mitigating factor for all offences   I think it further emphasizes my point that courts make incorrect judgements.

I remember a case a few years ago where some activists broke into an air base and destroyed an army aircraft. they were arrested and put on trial for criminal damage among other things. They pleaded not guilty and their argument was that they were acting in self defence because they were saving the lives of innocent peope who that aircraft would kill in iraq and afganistan. The jury found them not guilty.

Mentally fatigued is a bit different to "being sleepy". The main point of it being that it impairs your judgement; as it clearly did with John Terry.

[Duty281]

Savage is another fool.
 
Smile every time I think back to when Dion headbutted him in the Villa/blues game. 

I don't understand this modern obsession with media outlets, like the BBC, who assume that an ex-player will automatically make a good pundit. Savage, Townsend, Keane, Southgate etc. all disprove that theory.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Eugh nobody cares

Onto more important matters, mahoosive game at Upton Park tomorrow. Dolph, Guildford or any other hammers attending?

Tempting, still could get a ticket probably, but not sure if my lift is going and not sure I'd even get out of work on time. Definitely stay too late to get the train down.

You off for this one?

Think it'll be a draw. We are not winning 3 on the bounce and I honestly cant see us keeping 4 clean sheets in a row. Snodgrass will bag, Downing could finally score. 1-1

[westisbest]

Savage is another fool.
 
Smile every time I think back to when Dion headbutted him in the Villa/blues game. 

I don't understand this modern obsession with media outlets, like the BBC, who assume that an ex-player will automatically make a good pundit. Savage, Townsend, Keane, Southgate etc. all disprove that theory.

 
Agree.
 
Out of the ones you listed Keane is one of the better pundits, but even he can be to much.

[Stella]

Keane is one of the worst. He just disagrees for the sake of it. What' the point in that?

[Dolphin Ziggler]

There's a use to ex-footballers, they just need to bring out personality. I like Keown, I feel he actually has a rhyme and reason to what he says and his analysis is sound. Sadly, he's rather dry.

Keane is good when he's on it, but he also continually reminds people he's a Muppet.

Savage is good on 606, not a fan of his articles as much.

I can't really judge a pundit on their MOTD performance though, there is no time for real punditry. Neville on Sky is great, but I bet you a few could do it given the time Gary is given.

I miss Lawro, the only one with a sense of freedom. He just says what comes to his mind, hilariously bad jokes often.

Also hard to judge the ITV work of Dixon and Keane because the product presented by ITV is so amateur.

[Stella]

Anyone like Carragher?

I find him very difficult to listen to, although I don't doubt his knowledge.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Eugh nobody cares

Onto more important matters, mahoosive game at Upton Park tomorrow. Dolph, Guildford or any other hammers attending?

Tempting, still could get a ticket probably, but not sure if my lift is going and not sure I'd even get out of work on time. Definitely stay too late to get the train down.

You off for this one?

Think it'll be a draw. We are not winning 3 on the bounce and I honestly cant see us keeping 4 clean sheets in a row. Snodgrass will bag, Downing could finally score. 1-1

Nah I'm not, got lessons tomorrow and decided to go Villa away instead.

I agree a draw. Snodgrass won't be fit to play I don't think so you wont get mad over him! 1-1 is what I'd say top, we've been on weird run of scoring dating back to the Swansea game in December. Its gone 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0. Were due a goal!!!!!

[westisbest]

Shearer is so dull on MOTD.

He may make the odd good point, but jesus he's tiring to watch.
Do like Hanson.
Big Dion is decent enough.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Not so sure about that Nick, I think Jose likes to forget how much Chelsea have spent on players as well, they are only in the position they are because of a rich owner.

Anyone who's ever won anything in football has been one of the top spenders in their league. United were lucky they won the league when all the Sky money came into football and made them richer than everyone else.

You have always struggled with this and I'm not surprised, we spent OUR money, money we earned through marketing and prize money. You spend Romans money, see the difference?

[Hammersmith harrier]

You can't be found innocent of anything, a judgement of not guilty does not necessarily mean innocent.

[CFCNick]

Not so sure about that Nick, I think Jose likes to forget how much Chelsea have spent on players as well, they are only in the position they are because of a rich owner.

Anyone who's ever won anything in football has been one of the top spenders in their league. United were lucky they won the league when all the Sky money came into football and made them richer than everyone else.

You have always struggled with this and I'm not surprised, we spent OUR money, money we earned through marketing and prize money. You spend Romans money, see the difference?

I'm not saying United had anyone's money. Just that they were lucky enough that they happened to win the league at the same time the prize money shot up and then as they were richer than everyone else they stayed at the top.

Sky changed football to the business and marketing monster it is and United's success is the product of that. They were just lucky that "their turn" to be a top club coincided with the big money coming in. I'd like to see where United would be if they never won the league in 93 or 94.

[mystiroakey]

CFC you are missing a key factor though mate,

Sports cant get huge or get investment unless the teams/individuals within are worthy.

Man U needs to be credited for allowing the PL to be so big. Putting it down to luck itself isn't fair.

It doesn't change the fact they have gone backwards today- but that in it self is also making the PL so great this year

[Stella]

Utd were England's biggest club before sky, the EPL came along. Chelsea on the other hand will not attract big player if the money goes.

[Hammersmith harrier]

We were rich before Sky came along and without it we'd still be the countries richest club, the most profitable with the highest fanbase. Our luck in 93 wasn't sky it was our youth team, that is why we stayed at the top for so long, we always bought within our means at no point have we run a loss in any season since the PL began.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Eugh nobody cares

Onto more important matters, mahoosive game at Upton Park tomorrow. Dolph, Guildford or any other hammers attending?

Tempting, still could get a ticket probably, but not sure if my lift is going and not sure I'd even get out of work on time. Definitely stay too late to get the train down.

You off for this one?

Think it'll be a draw. We are not winning 3 on the bounce and I honestly cant see us keeping 4 clean sheets in a row. Snodgrass will bag, Downing could finally score. 1-1

Nah I'm not, got lessons tomorrow and decided to go Villa away instead.

I agree a draw. Snodgrass won't be fit to play I don't think so you wont get mad over him! 1-1 is what I'd say top, we've been on weird run of scoring dating back to the Swansea game in December. Its gone 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0. Were due a goal!!!!!

All the excitement of binary down the Carra. I missed Villa away this weekend, think I might be off to Sunderland later on. You don't wanna go to the Boleyn midweek, take you so long to get home.

Good, Scottish swine. Redmond will probably score and dedicate it to Rav.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Eugh nobody cares

Onto more important matters, mahoosive game at Upton Park tomorrow. Dolph, Guildford or any other hammers attending?

Tempting, still could get a ticket probably, but not sure if my lift is going and not sure I'd even get out of work on time. Definitely stay too late to get the train down.

You off for this one?

Think it'll be a draw. We are not winning 3 on the bounce and I honestly cant see us keeping 4 clean sheets in a row. Snodgrass will bag, Downing could finally score. 1-1

Nah I'm not, got lessons tomorrow and decided to go Villa away instead.

I agree a draw. Snodgrass won't be fit to play I don't think so you wont get mad over him! 1-1 is what I'd say top, we've been on weird run of scoring dating back to the Swansea game in December. Its gone 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0. Were due a goal!!!!!

All the excitement of binary down the Carra. I missed Villa away this weekend, think I might be off to Sunderland later on. You don't wanna go to the Boleyn midweek, take you so long to get home.


Good, Scottish swine. Redmond will probably score and dedicate it to Rav.

Yeah its probably better Snoddy ist playing as we attack at so much more pace when he's not in the side. Also allows Redmond to play on the right where he's more effective.

Fancy The Wolf to bag one tonight

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Depends on your supply line. If Redmond is gonna be the issue with crosses then anything in the air is gonna be dealt with. Id fancy someone coming in off the wings to nick one

[CFCNick]

Utd were England's biggest club before sky, the EPL came along. Chelsea on the other hand will not attract big player if the money goes.

How on earth do you think they were the biggest pre Sky? No title for 26 years. That's similar to the delusions of grandeur some Newcastle fans have.

You must have missed the period when we signed players like Gullitt, Zola, Di Matteo, Vialli, Deschamps, Desailly, Poyet, Petit, and Hasselbaink.

Mysti - I'm not saying it's down to plain luck. I'm saying they were lucky they became the best team at the same time as the prize money getting bigger.

[Hammersmith harrier]

You are aware Nick that other than Desailly who himself was getting on they were all either old or not big players anyway.

It also helps being a club with history because going 26 years without a title doesn't erase the busby babes or the holy trinity.

[sodhat]

Eugh nobody cares

Onto more important matters, mahoosive game at Upton Park tomorrow. Dolph, Guildford or any other hammers attending?

Tempting, still could get a ticket probably, but not sure if my lift is going and not sure I'd even get out of work on time. Definitely stay too late to get the train down.

You off for this one?

Think it'll be a draw. We are not winning 3 on the bounce and I honestly cant see us keeping 4 clean sheets in a row. Snodgrass will bag, Downing could finally score. 1-1

Nah I'm not, got lessons tomorrow and decided to go Villa away instead.

I agree a draw. Snodgrass won't be fit to play I don't think so you wont get mad over him! 1-1 is what I'd say top, we've been on weird run of scoring dating back to the Swansea game in December. Its gone 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 0. Were due a goal!!!!!

All the excitement of binary down the Carra. I missed Villa away this weekend, think I might be off to Sunderland later on. You don't wanna go to the Boleyn midweek, take you so long to get home.


Good, Scottish swine. Redmond will probably score and dedicate it to Rav.

Yeah its probably better Snoddy ist playing as we attack at so much more pace when he's not in the side. Also allows Redmond to play on the right where he's more effective.

Fancy The Wolf to bag one tonight

Really? He doesn't even look like he can bag groceries at the moment.

[sodhat]

At the outset of the Premier League era I would argue Liverpool were the biggest club in England.

[Duty281]

You can't be found innocent of anything, a judgement of not guilty does not necessarily mean innocent.

We were debating whether or not John Terry is racist; that was not the objective of the trial and wasn't relevant to the not guilty verdict.

Nevertheless, the judge did state that it was clear that Terry was not a racist in his case report, owing to numerous amounts of witnesses, before stressing that that wasn't the aim of the trial.

[Liam]

Cardiff/Villa will be interesting. Both coming off bad results on the weekend. Cardiff lose then they're down imo. Fancy them for a win though in a big game at home.

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