Khan or Maidana?

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For "pure" boxing reasons, who would you rather watch Floyd Mayweather face in May? "Other" is not an option, so with a gun to your head, who would you choose?

Kingy he knows people will pay 70 bucks...

But I get your points...sad thing is he beats Manny....

Don't really see how refusing to rematch someone you've taken on when they're at their most dangerous and knocking them out in three rounds is comparable to putting up numerous obstacles to making the biggest fight in history against your most dangerous threat.

Wow some people really seem to think Karass & Lopez & Angel Martinez are something;

Karass had lost 4 of his last 6 fights before the Maidana fight...4!!! He had also been knocked out by Gabriel Rossado; his biggest wins are over Carson Jones (the guy Brook got slated for fighting) and the mentally fragile Andre Berto.

Josesito Lopez had lost 2 of his last 3 & just been hammered for 6 rounds by Alvarez and had hopped from Light Welterweight to Welterweight to Light Middle back to Welterweight...his biggest wins were Ortiz, again mentally fragile and Mike Dallas Jnr who was completely unproven.

Angel Martinez - A guy who hadn't won in 4 fights before Maidana and had been knocked out in 2 of them!

This is apparently a record which is much better than Khan's! Give over....the Broner win is what separates the two in terms of recent form and like I said...one fight doesn't put Maidana in the driving seat in my opinion. Lest we forget everyone is accusing Khan of beating up & having problems with a blown up lightweight in Diaz....yet the guy had been fighting between Light Welter & Welter for 3 years prior (140,146,141 1/2, 146 1/4, 146 1/4, 146 3/4) they were his weights in the 6 contests prior to Khan! He also pushed the current and unbeaten IBF WELTERWEIGHT champion to a draw!

Most contenders from the past only needed one top win to get a big fight

Barkley beat olajide and Roldan beat Kinchen before Hearns gave them a shot..

Broner is better than them..

But there are fights Id prefer to see than these two Mate.

Owen, stop trying to make out Diaz is anything other than average.

In his last 10 fight he's 4-1-5.

Maidana beat one of the most hyped guys out there who was rated. Khan on the other hand barely, and I mean barely scraped past the unfancied, not rated, not hyped and on no ones radar Diaz.

Maidana is the bigger draw after what he did to Broner infront of a big American audience. Khans fight didn't even warrant a mention on blogs. That was until everyone laughed and made fun of his difficulties with a guy that doesn't belong much above southern area-esque level.

Oh and Porter in the return fight boxed him to shreds from memory.

I'm not making out Diaz is anything other than average Izzi,

What I am saying, which if you read my posts throughout, is that Maidana's record bar Broner is nothing special either...and doesn't include a win over Khan.

On one hand people are saying that Khan beat up an old blown up lightweight yet at the same time are trying to claim the likes of Karass is a million times better when he isn't. Both Karass & Lopez had taken a shellacking prior to their contests with Maidana...Diaz hadn't! The truth is that none of those lot are anything above average.

Like I said, the records are similar barring Broner, who you yourself just said was one of the most hyped guys out there. He was only rated by certain sectors of the boxing fraternity...mainly those who were cashing cheques he was creating. Plenty of fans believed he had serious flaws that someone was going to take advantage of & that once his size was negated he would be in trouble...they were proven right on both accounts by Maidana.

At the end of the day, like everything it comes down to opinion. Mine is that whilst Maidana has a good win over Broner his overall record falls just a tad below Khans with the added fact that the two have fought with Amir coming out on top. Add that to the fact we have seen what Mayweather does to guys who come forward and try to just use size to get on the inside...it's what we have had to witness for the past 2 years...

I appreciate and enjoy watching Mayweather box, as much as I don't like him as a person you can't question his skills....for that reason I want to see him tested, and whilst I don't think either are capable of beating him or indeed are the toughest choices out there (Martinez, GGG, Bradley, Garcia & even a faded Pacman blow these two out of the water)...Khan will at least give Mayweather something to think about purely on the basis he hasn't had to fight a guy happy to stay on the outside throwing combos before trying to get out of range since his early days down at Lightweight & De La Hoya (who didn't even have the legs to get out of rage yet still gave him trouble early on)

In fairness Karass and Lopez are trickier fights than Molina and Diaz, no amount of twisting is going to change that.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:In fairness Karass and Lopez are trickier fights than Molina and Diaz, no amount of twisting is going to change that.

Who cares? Khan defeated Maidana when he was at his most dangerous. It doesn't matter about recent records.

All Time Great wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:In fairness Karass and Lopez are trickier fights than Molina and Diaz, no amount of twisting is going to change that.

Who cares? Khan defeated Maidana when he was at his most dangerous. It doesn't matter about recent records.

Recent records don't count? How do you figure that one out?

All Time Great wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:In fairness Karass and Lopez are trickier fights than Molina and Diaz, no amount of twisting is going to change that.

Who cares? Khan defeated Maidana when he was at his most dangerous. It doesn't matter about recent records.

Of course it matters, since that fight Maidana has improved adding more guile to his pressure while Khan has gone backwards and become even easier to catch. Not sure you would think form plays no part, Jones doesn't deserve a shot against Stevenson based on what he did 10 years does he.

I voted Khan, because its a more exciting match on paper. At least Khan will make it slightly competitive for a round or 2, Maidana would get schooled.

Both are easy fights for Mayweather.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

All Time Great wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:In fairness Karass and Lopez are trickier fights than Molina and Diaz, no amount of twisting is going to change that.

Who cares? Khan defeated Maidana when he was at his most dangerous. It doesn't matter about recent records.

Of course it matters, since that fight Maidana has improved adding more guile to his pressure while Khan has gone backwards and become even easier to catch. Not sure you would think form plays no part, Jones doesn't deserve a shot against Stevenson based on what he did 10 years does he.

Maidana is 6 - 2 (including contentious victory vs. Morales) and Khan is 5 - 2 (including a highly controversial decision loss vs. Peterson).

Pretty even in my opinion. Not only that, looking down their ledgers, Khan has a victory over Kotelnik which Maidana also happened to lose too.

Khan beats Maidana 9/10. Even the 27 year-old version of "past it" Khan, as you suggest.

Of the two, I'd prefer khan. Alexander had a shut out against maidana. No interest in watching floyd, win every second of every round. I'd have more interest in watching him spar (seeing as his sparring is closed door, it'd be more of a novelty).

All Time Great wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

All Time Great wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:In fairness Karass and Lopez are trickier fights than Molina and Diaz, no amount of twisting is going to change that.

Who cares? Khan defeated Maidana when he was at his most dangerous. It doesn't matter about recent records.

Of course it matters, since that fight Maidana has improved adding more guile to his pressure while Khan has gone backwards and become even easier to catch. Not sure you would think form plays no part, Jones doesn't deserve a shot against Stevenson based on what he did 10 years does he.

Maidana is 6 - 2 (including contentious victory vs. Morales) and Khan is 5 - 2 (including a highly controversial decision loss vs. Peterson).

Pretty even in my opinion. Not only that, looking down their ledgers, Khan has a victory over Kotelnik which Maidana also happened to lose too.

Khan beats Maidana 9/10. Even the 27 year-old version of "past it" Khan, as you suggest.

Maidana beat Broner. Who near enough everyone was expecting him to lose to. Khan gets dropped and scrapes past a stupidly average guy in comparison who he was expected to breeze past.

I can keep saying that over and over again.

And Khan doesn't give Floyd problems. He's been dropped more times than I've had craps this last week, he still gets hit and someone like Floyd - who is pretty darn accurate, will simply knock him the eff out inside 2 rounds. Maidana at least has a decent chin and has a punchers chance but still loses.

Oooooo but Khan has speed etc, give me a sodding break. He's a glass chinned chinless wonder who will get massively embarrassed by Floyd and is in no way shape or form deserving of the fight.

Oh and Maidana is the much bigger draw after what he did to Broner. Khan meanwhile has been proven in America to be unwanted attraction, mainly he keeps losing when over there. Failing to get past Peterson, a guy he was expected to have no issues with, and getting embarrassed by Garcia tend to mean HBO etc wouldn't be interested in seeing him fight another career lightweight, both of which were total pony non rated fighters.

... On the subject of form, Diaz who is being dissed as a no mark here (and admittedly has a hit and miss record overall) was coming off a draw with Shawn porter when he fought khan.

milkyboy wrote:... On the subject of form,  Diaz who is being dissed as a no mark here (and admittedly has a hit and miss record overall) was coming off a draw with Shawn porter when he fought khan.

Then since dropped a wide UD to him.

Would just like to reiterate I hate the idea of either guy fighting Floyd. But if I had to choose it'd be Maidana, Khan simply gets splattered whereas at least Maidana has the chin to at least have a punchers chance.

Khan fights Mayweather 1000 times he wins 0

Maidana fights Mayweather 1000 times he may, may win 1 by a Hail Mary out of the blue punch.

Wouldn't mind seeing khan get splattered inside 5 minutes though, would finally shut up a load of the troll brigade who thinks Khan is anything above average alphabet title champ.

How do you know...

How many times would mccall beat Lewis..

Have more respect for good fighters

There was a time Izzi when Khan was widely regarded to be the best at 140lbs, it's a claim he never truly cemented but after he dominated Judah it was a fairly common opinion. His stock has fallen a lot since then with the subsequent losses to Peterson and Garcia but this fight was a very viable option 2 years ago. It's now a fight not many want to see but neither really is Maidana who despite being more deserving stands next to no chance of winning, will certainly perform worse than Khan will.

As for Khan beating Maidana 9 out of 10, we simply don't know that and you shouldn't forget that he was very nearly knocked out in that 9th round. A different ref on a different night and it could very well have been stopped. So the one time they did fight it was pretty close to disaster and with their recent form lines don't see it suddenly becoming a one way fight.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:How do you know...

How many times would mccall beat Lewis..

Have more respect for good fighters

Don't have much respect for a guy who gets splatters by Prescsott and Garcia, dropped by the world elite in Gomez, Limond, that French part time fighter, powder puff punching Diaz.

Looking forwards to a '10 reasons why Maidana gives FMJ fits' article if that fight gets made

Good fighters don't give FMJ any issues in the slightest. Elite fighters like PAC, Bradley and Marquez have the tools to give him a bit of trouble. The chinless wonder gets decked inside 5 minutes and no amount of you or others trying to hype him up will change that.

I've got the humble pie in the slow cooker. Will be serving it with lashings of jus de gotitsowrong on the side. Have reserved you a mixing bowl so you can shovel it in with ease.

If Mayweather knocks anybody out within 5 minutes i'll be shocked, he just isn't that type of boxer, it's a prediction based on pure dislike for one man. Yes Khan will lose but the money bet would a unanimous decision, a knockout is unlikely.

As for Diaz being powder puff, he's the only man to knock Jesus Chavez out, no mean feat. As for Elite fighters in the Welterweight division, there is now only Mayweather himself and Pacquiao left, the rest are either very good or past it, Marquez is definitely no longer elite level.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:it's a prediction based on pure dislike for one man. Yes Khan will lose but the money bet would a unanimous decision, a knockout is unlikely.

I will quite happily take you up on a bet on that. Floyd hits hard enough at 147 to hurt, Khan gets reckless and walks on to something... Probably a right hand down the shute

Prescott ?..

Who has he beat since then ?

1. Khan is a very good fighter............You can't beat Maidana, Judah, Paulie, Kotelnik and Mcloskey and not have something...

2. He got caught against Garcia...It happens ask Lewis about Rahman........

3. Prescott was way back before his pre title days..............#

4. Labelling someone stupidly average is a bit silly considering your vague knowledge of the sport and what stupidly average is.......Guys like James Tillis are average........But not stupidly so.

5. No one is saying Khan/Maidana would be satisfying or good fights.............what I'm saying is If Andy Lee, Macklin types are accepted criteria then Maidana/Khan more than fit the bill.

6. Fact is people don't want to see Mayweather in a competitive fight as much as they want to see him beat........

7. Moan about the guys Larry Holmes beat......Zanon, Frazier, Cobb, Cooney, Bey, Smith, OCASIO.........That's okay...

8. What kind of wally If he knows he'll get $20 million for Khan or Bradley.............Picks Bradley............

You think any canny sportsman would ??

I'd love to see Bradley v Floyd......................But If 1m people will buy Khan then he's a fool not to take it..............Khan is as bonafide as Cloud/Murray/Macklin/Lee etc...........

Izzi wrote:

milkyboy wrote:... On the subject of form,  Diaz who is being dissed as a no mark here (and admittedly has a hit and miss record overall) was coming off a draw with Shawn porter when he fought khan.

Then since dropped a wide UD to him.

Indeed, but that's his form after khan, not before  

Based on their last 12-18 months then Maidana is more deserving. Certainly, if FMJ next opponent was Khan or Maidana immediately Khan v Maidana then Khan gets it.
Saying this, I personally prefer Khan to be the opponent in May, but acknowledging it should really be Maidana.

Izzi pushing the boundaries of extreme for your agenda here pal!

Splattered inside 5 minutes....by a guy who hasn't knocked anyone out since Ricky Hatton despite dominating contents. For one thing Floyd just isn't known as a puncher...secondly whilst Khan is chinny he does always get up when he gets put down...if he is stopped its because he is jumped on immediately after; correct me if im wrong....when have you seen Mayweather jump on an opponent after hurting them?! He doesn't...certainly not anymore, he could have had Gatti out whenever he wanted but dragged him along.

You slate Khan for having a poor chin and in the same sentence say that Maidana at least has a punchers chance against Floyd....I'm sorry isn't this the same Maidana that COULDN'T knock out Amir Khan....the 'glass chin, chinless' Khan as you put it? If he couldn't knock Khan out then he has no chance of putting Floyd to bed; a guy who is infinitely better defensively and doesn't panic or trade when hurt.

I'd make sure you keep an eye on that humble pie you having cooking...leave it too long and it will be burnt; it will be far less enjoyable for you when it's time to take it out and eat it following Khan getting to the 6th minute of his fight with Floyd

owen10ozzy wrote:Wow some people really seem to think Karass & Lopez & Angel Martinez are something;

Karass had lost 4 of his last 6 fights before the Maidana fight...4!!! He had also been knocked out by Gabriel Rossado; his biggest wins are over Carson Jones (the guy Brook got slated for fighting) and the mentally fragile Andre Berto.

Josesito Lopez had lost 2 of his last 3 & just been hammered for 6 rounds by Alvarez and had hopped from Light Welterweight to Welterweight to Light Middle back to Welterweight...his biggest wins were Ortiz, again mentally fragile and Mike Dallas Jnr who was completely unproven.

Angel Martinez - A guy who hadn't won in 4 fights before Maidana and had been knocked out in 2 of them!

This is apparently a record which is much better than Khan's! Give over....the Broner win is what separates the two in terms of recent form and like I said...one fight doesn't put Maidana in the driving seat in my opinion. Lest we forget everyone is accusing Khan of beating up & having problems with a blown up lightweight in Diaz....yet the guy had been fighting between Light Welter & Welter for 3 years prior (140,146,141 1/2, 146 1/4, 146 1/4, 146 3/4) they were his weights in the 6 contests prior to Khan! He also pushed the current and unbeaten IBF WELTERWEIGHT champion to a draw!

I think we can agree that Martinez and Molina are equally nothing opponents.

I cannot believe that if Diaz fought Karass or Lopez that you'd genuinely back Diaz. Karass was taken out on his feet at light middle by Rosado yes, but Rosado could easily have been a competent full fledged middleweight at the time. He would've taken out most welters. It's only been since Karass has come back down to welter that he's been training seriously, and Berto showed immense mental fortitude when they fought. Go watch it. Karass broke him down but Berto never gave up. Diaz also has a record dotted with losses, the difference being they're against lightweights and light welters who couldn't put a dent in Karass. Karass gets stopped in five by a middleweight in Rosado? Diaz got stopped in 3 by Holt.

The only fights Lopez has lost by something other split decision have been to Madiana and Alvarez at a weight class he shouldn't have been in. The 28 year old, 30-5 Lopez is easily a more dangerous foe for a welterweight than a 50 fight Diaz. The Ortiz win alone shows this. After close opening rounds, Porter mullered Diaz in the rematch.

Karass OR Lopez are better welters than Diaz. Karass AND Lopez AND Broner? Come off it man!

I read at work today in the Oracle of Truth (The Sun) that Khan might be frozen out of the MAYweather fight, due how the American public regard his credentials. The article said if he doesn't get the fight then he'll be fighting Broner on the Undercard, with the winner getting Mayweather in September.

I take it Broner wants a rematch with Maidana however if Maidana is occupied with floyd then fight against khan seems interesting.

Any truth in this? If it materialises how do people see it going?