Congratulations to Ireland well played

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As a Welshman I found the Ireland v Wales game hard to watch, but that’s taking nothing away from the Irish dominance. Wales simply had no answer to the speed of Ireland, I’ve said for years quick ball from wrucks will open gaps in the other teams defense.

Wayne Barns (Reff) had is usual poor game but in fairness he was bad for both teams, he did tend to lean just a bit towards Ireland but no sourer grapes here Wales were totally out played.

Are reffs now the super stars of the game, remember the days where the reff ran around in a dear stalker and tweed suit the days were the reff are unseen men who are just there to break up the fights are long gone……Discuss

EDIT: reviewing the game and the try Wales scored seems not to be a double movment when in slow motion Wayn Barns (reff) seems to me to be the only person to see a double movment (or suspect there was so he called it)   

Jhamer25 wrote:I though Barnes was pretty fair, he has one call i disagreed with when we should have had a turn over but penalised Gethin for having his hands in the ruck but apart from that he done a pretty good job. The worst call he made was when he gave us a line out when it was clearly Leigh Halfpenny who touches it as it wen into touch.

In fairness to Barnes it was the touch judge that had the best view of that,he should have seen it Barnes couldn't have had a clear view of exactly where the ball was with HP in his way.

I thought Barnes was actually pretty good. Which is surprising as he'd been steadily going down hill last year and the last few times he reffed these games he made some interesting calls. I'd also take strict at the breakdown everyday when compared to the mud wrestling cheatfest Garces masterminded at Murrayfield.

I don't think any Welsh fan can even begin to question the ref after that game. Just one of those times when the opposition have the perfect gameplan to beat you.

lets put the Wayne Barns and the Australian conection to bed.

Google- The Australian/sports English referee perfect fit for Wallabies and read the artical please note the date.
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yappysnap wrote:I thought Barnes was actually pretty good. Which is surprising as he'd been steadily going down hill last year and the last few times he reffed these games he made some interesting calls. I'd also take strict at the breakdown everyday when compared to the mud wrestling cheatfest Garces masterminded at Murrayfield.

I don't think any Welsh fan can even begin to question the ref after that game. Just one of those times when the opposition have the perfect gameplan to beat you.

So you think 24 penalties awarded in a period of 43 minets (actual ball in play time) is fair and not in the least suggestive of an over zealous reff come on you got to be kidding.

He wasn't overzealous though. If the 2 teams are committing fouls and know how the ref is interpreting them it's the teams fault for not altering their style. Blame the players!

No 7&1/2 wrote:He wasn't overzealous though. If the 2 teams are committing fouls and know how the ref is interpreting them it's the teams fault for not altering their style. Blame the players!

You do make a fair point but I am confident that if you watch the game again and take special note of the penalties you'll find a good few of them could of been ignored which would of allow the game to flow much better for both sides. As I have all ready said 24 pens in a space of 43 mins is a lot. Again as I have pointed out that is on average a penalty awarded ever 2 mins. Now if you take that into account you are watching a game that stops every 2 mins is that a fast open game? I think not that for me is poor game management by the reff which then opens up the point of is the reff an X-Factor reff.

The answer for me is yes.

Bodie Wales wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:He wasn't overzealous though. If the 2 teams are committing fouls and know how the ref is interpreting them it's the teams fault for not altering their style. Blame the players!

You do make a fair point but I am confident that if you watch the game again and take special note of the penalties you'll find a good few of them could of been ignored which would of allow the game to flow much better for both sides. As I have all ready said 24 pens in a space of 43 mins is a lot. Again as I have pointed out that is on average a penalty awarded ever 2 mins. Now if you take that into account you are watching a game that stops every 2 mins is that a fast open game? I think not that for me is poor game management by the reff which then opens up the point of is the reff an X-Factor reff.

The answer for me is yes.

Well yes you could just ignore the rules I suppose. Not sure it would have the end result of speeding up the game though as teams will quickly latch onto it and committ more fouls when they feel the need to stop the other team. I've seen people criticise Garces in the Scotland England game for not blowing up for fouls when Scotland were illegally slowing English ball. Might have cost us a try.

These type of articles just goes to prove how arrogant some Welsh fans have become over the last few years.

how is congratulating Ireland arrogant   

jimmyinthewell68 wrote:how is  congratulating Ireland arrogant   

It sort of implies that you weren't expecting them to beat you, almost like you shouldn't beat us but well done old chap for pulling that one out of the bag, very patronising!

Also having a dig at the Ref in the next paragraph isn't too complementary to Ireland either.   

Bodie Wales wrote:lets put the Wayne Barns and the Australian conection to bed.

Google- The Australian/sports English referee perfect fit for Wallabies and read the artical please note the date.
I am unable to post web links at this time.

It's regrettably behind a pay wall but if the article says that, as we can see from very basic use of Goigle that what you said was false (the demonstrable falsehood rule), then all it means is that once again a journalist has published a story full of incorrect facts. Not exactly an uncommon occurrence at all

ChequeredJersey wrote:

Bodie Wales wrote:lets put the Wayne Barns and the Australian conection to bed.

Google- The Australian/sports English referee perfect fit for Wallabies and read the artical please note the date.
I am unable to post web links at this time.

It's regrettably behind a pay wall but if the article says that, as we can see from very basic use of Goigle that what you said was false (the demonstrable falsehood rule), then all it means is that once again a journalist has published a story full of incorrect facts. Not exactly an uncommon occurrence at all

All it says is that every game that Barnes has reffed Australia has ended up in an Australian victory. Shocking until you consider he hasn't reffed a game against SA, NZ or England. So it's games that Australia have played against teams below them. Suddenly doesn't look shocking and a bit of a given.

Well that was not understandable/not what the OP said at all!

I also thought that having the ball in play for 43 minutes is pretty high. Searching on t'net suggests that the average time for an 80 minute game is 35minutes.

I know that they said that the Fra/Eng game was exceptional in that the ball was in play for 46 minutes

I always used to think that Barnes is very good at helping games flow. He is great for open games. Historically he does seem to have the odd brain fart and I dont think he is always great at dealing with games that get messy, but there are plenty of worse refs around.

I think his a great Ref to be fair, although he did miss a lot of forward passes, and the lineouts were a joke (but thats down to the touch judge) I don't think Hibbard threw one straight all afternoon.

Scrumpy wrote:I think his a great Ref to be fair, although he did miss a lot of forward passes, and the lineouts were a joke (but thats down to the touch judge) I don't think Hibbard threw one straight all afternoon.

HIbbard not throwing straight - that is what I thought also. I put it down to the angle of the cameras but it didnt look good

lostinwales wrote:

Scrumpy wrote:I think his a great Ref to be fair, although he did miss a lot of forward passes, and the lineouts were a joke (but thats down to the touch judge) I don't think Hibbard threw one straight all afternoon.

HIbbard not throwing straight - that is what I thought also. I put it down to the angle of the cameras but it didnt look good

Maybe it was the angle or maybe it was my critical eye!   

Yes, congratulations, Ireland, a very well-conceived and effective performance, and a lesson in half-back play. Quite superb from Sexton.

Scrumpy wrote:These type of articles just goes to prove how arrogant some Welsh fans have become over the last few years.

Oh Scrumpy I am leaning towards you being English am I right?

I can not understand why you would say that, as the X-Factor reff in last years Wales v england game gave Wales a lot of free ball constantly penalising England, which finally lead to Wales getting a lot of momentum which final won them the game in a rather convincing fusion. I do seem to recall many enlglish men having a go at the reff then. I do not recall many english man congratulating Wales for playing well after that game.
Just by way of a reply to the arrogance implication your accusation is offensive to me and only worthy of a childish trolls taunt. I suggest you properly read the thread and not blow off in such a childish manner.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:

Bodie Wales wrote:lets put the Wayne Barns and the Australian conection to bed.

Google- The Australian/sports English referee perfect fit for Wallabies and read the artical please note the date.
I am unable to post web links at this time.

It's regrettably behind a pay wall but if the article says that, as we can see from very basic use of Goigle that what you said was false (the demonstrable falsehood rule), then all it means is that once again a journalist has published a story full of incorrect facts. Not exactly an uncommon occurrence at all

All it says is that every game that Barnes has reffed Australia has ended up in an Australian victory. Shocking until you consider he hasn't reffed a game against SA, NZ or England. So it's games that Australia have played against teams below them. Suddenly doesn't look shocking and a bit of a given.

Around this time period Australia third best team in the world allmost every one is below them lol shocking     OH and would you expect Mr Barns to reff a game with england in it   

Bodie Wales wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:

Bodie Wales wrote:lets put the Wayne Barns and the Australian conection to bed.

Google- The Australian/sports English referee perfect fit for Wallabies and read the artical please note the date.
I am unable to post web links at this time.

It's regrettably behind a pay wall but if the article says that, as we can see from very basic use of Goigle that what you said was false (the demonstrable falsehood rule), then all it means is that once again a journalist has published a story full of incorrect facts. Not exactly an uncommon occurrence at all

All it says is that every game that Barnes has reffed Australia has ended up in an Australian victory. Shocking until you consider he hasn't reffed a game against SA, NZ or England. So it's games that Australia have played against teams below them. Suddenly doesn't look shocking and a bit of a given.

Around this time period Australia third best team in the world allmost every one is below them lol shocking     OH and would you expect Mr Barns to reff a game with england in it   

I think that was his point...

What proportion of the last 10 games against sides outside the top 4 not refereed by Barnes have Australia won?

Bodie Wales wrote:As a Welshman I found the Ireland v Wales game hard to watch, but that’s taking nothing away from the Irish dominance. Wales simply had no answer to the speed of Ireland, I’ve said for years quick ball from wrucks will open gaps in the other teams defense.

Wayne Barns (Reff) had is usual poor game but in fairness he was bad for both teams, he did tend to lean just a bit towards Ireland but no sourer grapes here Wales were totally out played.

Are reffs now the super stars of the game, remember the days where the reff ran around in a dear stalker and tweed suit the days were the reff are unseen men who are just there to break up the fights are long gone……Discuss

EDIT: reviewing the game and the try Wales scored seems not to be a double movment when in slow motion Wayn Barns (reff) seems to me to be the only person to see a double movment (or suspect there was so he called it)   

Lol, I genuinely have no idea how you could possibly believe that. You should have had the other eye open as well!

Rory_Gallagher wrote:

Bodie Wales wrote:As a Welshman I found the Ireland v Wales game hard to watch, but that’s taking nothing away from the Irish dominance. Wales simply had no answer to the speed of Ireland, I’ve said for years quick ball from wrucks will open gaps in the other teams defense.

Wayne Barns (Reff) had is usual poor game but in fairness he was bad for both teams, he did tend to lean just a bit towards Ireland but no sourer grapes here Wales were totally out played.

Are reffs now the super stars of the game, remember the days where the reff ran around in a dear stalker and tweed suit the days were the reff are unseen men who are just there to break up the fights are long gone……Discuss

EDIT: reviewing the game and the try Wales scored seems not to be a double movment when in slow motion Wayn Barns (reff) seems to me to be the only person to see a double movment (or suspect there was so he called it)   

Lol, I genuinely have no idea how you could possibly believe that.  You should have had the other eye open as well!

So should Barnes

His inappropriate chatty style with players suggests he is partisan though of course we know he isn't and it is terrible by comparison with the no nonsense style of Owens.

Whenever Barnes refs you know he will actually micromanage the game as he did on this occasion by calling a very debatable double movement.

That's two threads now Scratch and not a single bite. Might I suggest you check this out for tips?   

http://www.fishinginireland.info/coarse/cbait.htm

I'm with Bodie on this one - Ireland did play well.

Engine#4 wrote:That's two threads now Scratch and not a single bite. Might I suggest you check this out for tips?   

http://www.fishinginireland.info/coarse/cbait.htm

  

ChequeredJersey wrote:

Bodie Wales wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

ChequeredJersey wrote:

Bodie Wales wrote:lets put the Wayne Barns and the Australian conection to bed.

Google- The Australian/sports English referee perfect fit for Wallabies and read the artical please note the date.
I am unable to post web links at this time.

It's regrettably behind a pay wall but if the article says that, as we can see from very basic use of Goigle that what you said was false (the demonstrable falsehood rule), then all it means is that once again a journalist has published a story full of incorrect facts. Not exactly an uncommon occurrence at all

All it says is that every game that Barnes has reffed Australia has ended up in an Australian victory. Shocking until you consider he hasn't reffed a game against SA, NZ or England. So it's games that Australia have played against teams below them. Suddenly doesn't look shocking and a bit of a given.

Around this time period Australia third best team in the world allmost every one is below them lol shocking     OH and would you expect Mr Barns to reff a game with england in it   

I think that was his point...

What proportion of the last 10 games against sides outside the top 4 not refereed by Barnes have Australia won?

That was exactly my point. not a great conspiracy is it.