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I'm really looking forward to this, it'll be interesting if Fury gets caught clean to see how he reacts. Guys who don't as hard as Abel have hurt him so I want to see if he can keep his guard up for the duration.

We've also got press passes for this event as well, so a big thank you to Frank Warrens people for allowing us the access, Owen will again be attending and doing the write up.

I don't usually dislike sportsmen but there's something about Fury that gets to me, Wlad do us a favour, offer him a payday then knock him out so badly he never returns.

Yeah, I gave him the eighth and ninth, Boxtthis. Edged towards Chisora for the tenth, but it was a close one.

Why on earth did I sit through that card, possibly the worst i've ever seen.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I don't usually dislike sportsmen but there's something about Fury that gets to me, Wlad do us a favour, offer him a payday then knock him out so badly he never returns.

He's homophobic and talks utter nonsense. I'm all for believing your own hype but he really takes the urine.

Anyway, 116-111 to Chisora for me.

That official Chris?

Think he got it 118-110, 118-110 and 118-109 on the three official cards, LJ. As me and Boxtthis were saying, there were one or two rounds where Johnson's half-hearted stuff could have got him the benefit of the doubt (did with me to a degree) but I can see why the judges didn't reward him with much. He stunk the joint out good and proper.

Didn't learn anything about Chisora that we didn't already know. He's got a dangerous, looping right over the top, decent chin and applies the pressure, although he did seem to be tiring slightly towards the end tonight. If Fury is in shape and focussed you'd always have to fancy him to outbox Del Boy to a decision and I can see the same happening this summer.

I thought you were meant to know your stuff Chris but i'm not so sure now, Fury stands no chance against Chisora if he gets into shape this time.

I agree Hammer. Chisora has only been knocked out by Haye (and even then it too some serious punches to get it done....and he still stood up!) so i don't see Fury doing any damage.

Chisora, whilst not a concussive puncher, has enough to damage the paper chinned oaf from Manchester....no doubt about it.

Id predict an EKO for Del or a shafting on the cards.....

Steady on, HH. Just giving my opinion. Which Chisora performance fills you with so much confidence that he deals with Fury?

Anyone of them even when he was grossly obese he gave Fury problems, he's the most useless high profile boxer these shores have ever produced.

Vs Helenius
Vs Scott
Vs Haye
Vs Klitschko

if he turns up against fury at only 50% of how he performed above, he wins.

Helenius robbed him, Haye was having a good scrap, Klitchko was being pushed and Scott got stopped.

An in shape del boy is a hard nights work for most. Fury is absolute garbage.

I think the fact that Chisora has such a good chin airbrushes his (losing) performances against some of the above to be honest, MM. And on that point, you mention that only Haye has stopped him, so on that basis you can't see Fury cracking that chin.

Well, as he's already shown once, you don't need to crack Chisora's chin to beat him.

If you're going to point out that Chisora is a better fighter and in general turning up in better shape now than he was in 2011, then fair enough, I'd agree. But his farcical weight tonight aside, the same was true of Fury through 2012 and 2013 and if he can get back on that track then I think he's got enough in the locker to keep the fight at range and win a decision, providing he doesn't succumb to his love of a ruck.

Just my take on the fight. I'm amazed that anyone can fall so emphatically on either side, to be honest, as neither man has done enough to put themselves a clear class above the other (unless you count plucky losing efforts in which they've still been outclassed) but whatever the weather, claiming that someone doesn't know what their talking about because they back the other guy in a two horse race is a bit off-base.

88Chris05 wrote:I think the fact that Chisora has such a good chin airbrushes his (losing) performances against some of the above to be honest, MM. And on that point, you mention that only Haye has stopped him, so on that basis you can't see Fury cracking that chin.

Well, as he's already shown once, you don't need to crack Chisora's chin to beat him.

If you're going to point out that Chisora is a better fighter and in general turning up in better shape now than he was in 2011, then fair enough, I'd agree. But his farcical weight tonight aside, the same was true of Fury through 2012 and 2013 and if he can get back on that track then I think he's got enough in the locker to keep the fight at range and win a decision, providing he doesn't succumb to his love of a ruck.

Just my take on the fight. I'm amazed that anyone can fall so emphatically on either side, to be honest, as neither man has done enough to put themselves a clear class above the other (unless you count plucky losing efforts in which they've still been outclassed) but whatever the weather, claiming that someone doesn't know what their talking about because they back the other guy in a two horse race is a bit off-base.

Couldn't agree more. Fury's beaten Chisora is the past, so for someone to suggest he now has no hope whatsoever is slightly confusing.

Both fighters haven't really progressed massively since they last fought, nor have either really regressed. This was Fury's first fight in a whole year, and it's obvious he's let himself go a bit since the Haye disappointment.

Just watched the Fury fight and would fancy there are 7 or 8 heavyweights out there I would make solid favourites against him and another few who I would give a very good chance to. He has a pretty good offence but is so open with a suspect chin. Can't believe how much money Haye passed up on, he could have beat him with both the cut and shoulder injury.

Johnson came to spoil, is difficult to hit and has a decent chin, Fury is near opposite in all 3 regards, if Chis can get Fury on the end of that looping overhand right early (Like Cunningham and Pajkic did with ease) then Tyson is in trouble make no mistake.

Fully agree also Chris.

My prediction the other week on the podcast remains the same .

The rematch will end up just like the other fight. It will go very close with Fury taking the nod. Fury wasn't exactly in shape first time around. From what I remember the both of them where in awful condition.

Fury was fit for Chisora first time around (even if cosmetically he didn't look it). Chisora was in shocking shape - he'd piled on weight to try and compensate for Fury's size and ended up a sitting duck (as so many Klitschko opponents have).

Fury plainly isn't ever going to knuckle down to the degree he needs to (to beat Wladimir) and so the rematch will be a lot closer.

hazharrison wrote:Fury was fit for Chisora first time around (even if cosmetically he didn't look it). Chisora was in shocking shape - he'd piled on weight to try and compensate for Fury's size and ended up a sitting duck (as so many Klitschko opponents have).

Fury plainly isn't ever going to knuckle down to the degree he needs to (to beat Wladimir) and so the rematch will be a lot closer.

A bit harsh considering how Haye's antics have derailed Fury's preperations.

Haye was a big fight I am sure Fury would have come in the best condition of his career thus far.

Fury deals with Chisora every time they meet , the latter is a plodder without a punch , a Jesse Ferguson

while the former is a plodder with the dexterity to find his own jaw at will

In fairness to Fury...There was a huge difference in performance levels when Tubbs, Witherspoon weighed 240 as opposed to 22o..If Hagler fought at 190 he'd be crap...

The lack of professionalism is unacceptable but perhaps understandable ...After all he fought a useless wally instead of David Haye....

I imagine Fury gets into better shape for Dreadful-Derek..

Here's my 1p worth...a fight between these two will make me misty eyed for the return of Matt Skelton. Watching those two last night I can safely say I won't be watching their rematch. Utter drivel

I agree...Scraping the barrel If this is a big fight..

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I thought you were meant to know your stuff Chris but i'm not so sure now, Fury stands no chance against Chisora if he gets into shape this time.

Hear hear. That Chris knows nothing. Let's rescind all his poster of the year type awards and give them to someone more deserving. I suggest milkyboy.

I'm glad Haye messed him about, nobody that useless deserves a payday.

Fury would beat Chisora again

Both looked pretty terrible last night. Fury has a shakey chin and Chisora just brings nothing to the table other than a good chin

I also find this 'Del Boy is in good shape now so would destroy Fury' nonsense a bit baffling. Sure he might stand a better chance in shape. But my money would be on another points decision for Fury in another dreary heavyweight matchup

DAVE667 wrote:Here's my 1p worth...a fight between these two will make me misty eyed for the return of Matt Skelton. Watching those two last night I can safely say I won't be watching their rematch. Utter drivel

Ah, The Bedford Bear, now there was a fighter....

Both Furyband Chisora have never been in the best shape they could be. One only has to look at the gut of both fighters and it's pretty obvious they are slobs, with Chisora being a slightly better slob.

I fancy Chisora to beat Fury this time round. He has a really leaky defence and gets dropped at will with fighters who thrown the overhand right.

Chisora TKO 5.

I've always thought Fury will be knocked out by the first heavyweight contender he faces but I don't think Del is the man to do it (second time around, in shape).
Just don't think Del has the power to keep Fury down if he scored a knockdown and see Fury outboxing him quite easily even if he has to get up to do so.
Chisora.

I've always thought Fury will be knocked out by the first heavyweight contender he faces but I don't think Del is the man to do it (second time around, in shape).
Just don't think Del has the power to keep Fury down if he scored a knockdown and see Fury outboxing him quite easily even if he has to get up to do so.
Chisora's chin hasn't looked as stable since Haye beat him and Fury will have plenty of chances to catch him coming in.

I just think fury is a terrible boxer . And just looks quite comical in the ring almost like its someone trying to box for a laugh!! Fury should glad the haye fight didnt happen , Haye would have made him look silly and really Would have been a mismatch . Im just frustrated with chisora I do like hes energy and hes obviously fitter but just so predictable . I know he got the kdown but what is that wild wide ovethand right all about ? If he would just tighten it and make it more a hook he could have cought kj all night . On last nights evidence fury v chisora will be an awful fight with wlad laughing hes head off if he watched . On the plus side hayes rehab is going well !!

Haye's rehab is going well after he pulled out of the Fury fight twice.....

First Haye runs like a thief against Wlad and then he bottles Fury..

and your happy his rehab is going well..

I'm not..

Thought the Fury fight was a touch dodgy. Don't see any reason why the ref took so long to warn Abbel for the very slight use of the head other than to give Fury a chance to recover. Not on mate.

Eddie Chambers is a pretty good commentator. Can almost forgive him for the dreams.

Be interesting how Bunce describes Fury - Chisora 2...........

"The most eagerly awaited rematch since Louis-Schmelling 2".........

"The fight the World has been waiting for "

"The Barrera - Morales rivalry of the Heavyweight division"

Can't wait !!!

I just watched the Fury fight and can't for the life of me see what people's issues are here.

I was catching updates on Twitter last night and people were writing "oh my god Fury is buzzed" and "he is taking too much punishment"

Where in that fight did he get buzzed?? In the 2nd round he gets caught flush and as he's against the ropes he clinches to get back into position to jab and move. Abell must have landed about 5 decent punches. Hardly a battering Fury took. Looking away from the silly antics from Fury I thought his jab was good and he stayed on the move throughout. Low blow was stupid but after nearly a year out he can be excused for not being 100%.

I am normally quick to criticise the fella but I seen nothin last night that shows Chisora beats him. When Haye circled the ring Chisora plodded around getting caught throughout. Same is going to happen against Fury in my opinion. I thought the rematch would be close like the first but if Fury comes in motivated and a bit trimmer then he walks it. He can move. Chisora can't. And for me that's what will decide it.

Some people take Furys weight and antics like a personal insult to themselves. He's good value and the people who can't stand him seem to be intent on watching him so get over it.

I actually want to see Fury v Chisora 2. Its a good fight for what it is and tough to call. Warren needs to sort out the Crapper Box though. Wasnt arsed watching this last card. If it had been midweek, maybe. Chisoras opponents have been getting progressivley less ambitious. The next guy will probably enter waving a white flag.

Reborn.....You will admit that you are a fan won't you ??

I remember that sugar coated article you wrote..

Which is fair enough.....But whilst some on here do go over the top criticising him...One has to say you aren't exactly objective yourself..

I'm biased towards Floyd.......We all like certain fighters.

He didn't bottle Fury, he was injured.

Haye obliterate Fury in a couple of minutes.

Think you're in the minority there my friend...........

Alright saying Haye obliterates him........But he said he would obliterate a guy of similar height and size..

and bottled it..

I'd say he's very much in the majority Truss, Fury would have next to no hope of beating Haye.

You're not honestly comparing Fury to Wlad on the basis of height are you?

I picked Haye to win.......My point is did Haye think he was going to win ??....Hence the double injury..

5 million is a lot of dough..

I'm comparing Fury's size and height to Wlad yes.....

On what I seen last night I find it hard to see Fury beating Haye as much as I would have liked him to

Thing is however woeful Fury looks, a 19 stone right hand connects to Haye's blown up cruiserweight skull it's good night....

Bit like Foreman-Moorer..........

The problem Fury has though Is his chin isn't like Big George's.......So he'd probably have to land first.

It was a pretty average card really, Fury's fight was a barrel of laughs, mainly because I was laughing alot and he looked like a barrel. But all jokes aside considering he was 19st plus i dont think he looked THAT bad (physically), and he wasnt knocked down when he was tagged by a guy who has a decent record of knocking guys down or out. Credit where its due.

Same credit for Chisora, even though he doesnt look as mean as he did before Haye (I disagree with people who think Haye KOing him has blunted him, i think those hard 12 rounds with Vitali did as much damage) he's still discouraged Kevin Johnson pretty convincingly.

Get a grip truss! Im pleased hes rehab is going well after watching that dross last night ! Hes a class boxer whatever your opinion of him , the heavy weight division is so poor it needs better boxers than fury!

Prior to the event the card had looked full of poor of one sided fights and it lived up to that. Warren and Hearn have been particularly bad in their promotions recently. These smaller cards don't need to packed with quality fighters but a few competitive fights must surely be a necessity.

Evening guys...I was at the copper box last night. It was farce from beginning to end.

I just wrote a whole description of what happened but this forum cut out & it never registered.

Been a long time since I was on a 606 forum!!! Back in the beeb days...some of you (truss,windy etc) may remember me

Maybe as they had two major names taking a bit of a risk on the same bill they didnt fancy making the undercard too risky. Its fine having Buglioni and that other guy on cos they sell tickets, and Hughie Fury is much more than just Tysons cousin, but what was the point of that Skeete fight? and dont get me started on Steve Collins Jr...