England vs Ireland, Part 2

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For continuing discussion of Ireland vs England in Round 3 of the Six Nations

Previous thread; https://www.606v2.com/t51752-england-vs-ireland

Ireland have released various players to the provinces; starting for Ulster against the Scarlets on Friday are Paddy Jackson, Luke Marshall, Darren Cave and Iain Henderson. Leinster have named Jack McGrath, Sean Cronin, Martin Moore, Mike McCarthy, Rhys Ruddock, Jordi Murphy, Eoin Reddan, Ian Madigan and Fergus McFadden in their team to face Newport-Gwent Dragons. Tommy O'Donnell and Felix Jones will feature for Munster.

There's a lot of competition, mainly for the spots on the bench and possible starts later in the tournament. Can Madigan oust Paddy Jackson? Can Jordi Murphy or Rhys Ruddock force their way in ahead of Tommy O'Donnell? Can McFadden or Simon Zebo force their way into the back three? Who will replace the injured Dan Tuohy; Iain Henderson, Mike McCarthy or Donnacha Ryan? The latter is back from injury and likely to play some part for Munster.

Dan Tuohy has been ruled out of the tournament while Keith Earls, Luke Fitzgerald and Tommy Bowe are still injured and everyone is praying Johnny Sexton doesn't pick up a knock; he's expected to be riding the pine for Racing Metro.

Any English posters want to update us on their squad?

Not much in the points department but one hell of a game.

nathan wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ive been giving Twelvetrees the benefit of the doubt but I cringe when he has to make a one on one tackle. I thought he was supposed to have a good defence..

Manu and Burrell is th way forward.

Or Eastmond?

These hybrid pitches have to be the future at the MS and Murryfield. Less time wasted with props slipping.

I just woke up again. What's the score?

Wow - can breathe for a bit!   

I'm finding this excruciating to watch.

Another waste. Our back-line is far too deep, Farrell has gone back to safety first mode.

Ireland's attack is no existant. Kicking away when we are in the 22. Worrying

Nachos Jones wrote:Not much in the points department but one hell of a game.

Indeed. Sometimes scores just don't reflect the greatness of a game. I expect a tougher second half.

Game thats there to be one by either side! Ireland discipline really good for the first 20 and then wayward in the last 20... England still mixing mistakes with magic. Ireland centres very good.

Should have kicked the last one.,

game is on an edge,, dramatic for a fan. Pretty dire for the neatral.

Absolutely nothing in this at all. Blistering defences. England need to be more clinical and convert their chances.
Still anyone's.

GeordieFalcon wrote:I think Marler has played well...he never seems to get any recognition.

Usually it's ignored if he does well in the scrum, then gets slated if it goes against.

The MS and MF are getting the hybrid pitches aren't they? Scotland are getting theirs in the summer I think. Not sure about Wales.

i bet ireland will catch and drive more in the second half when our forwards are tired.

The set move Schmidt gave us off that lineout? The loop, cross-field kick and offload to Kearney? Damn near perfect, if it had come off he would take the credit.

Very tense.

W're lucky to be only 3-0 down at half time.

HammerofThunor wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:I think Marler has played well...he never seems to get any recognition.

Usually it's ignored if he does well in the scrum, then gets slated if it goes against.

The MS and MF are getting the hybrid pitches aren't they? Scotland are getting theirs in the summer I think. Not sure about Wales.

isn't that the same for every player?

I don't think that Sexton has been very good myself. He and D'Arcy have been ordinary. BOD has looked excellent but Ireland really need to step up here as we know that England will.

Still think that the use of the bench's will settle the match.

Wood as biased as ever!

Very close, and as a neutral, I'm enjoying this. Have to say I'm a bit mystified by Jonny May - aside from the botched try, he seems to only run sideways!

Happy to go in only 3 points down,could have been a lot worse but I hope JS can can come up with something to unlock the English defense.

Nachos Jones wrote:I don't think that Sexton has been very good myself. He and D'Arcy have been ordinary. BOD has looked excellent but Ireland really need to step up here as we know that England will.

Still think that the use of the bench's will settle the match.

  

I agree with Guscott   , That was a defo yellow for Farrell.

stub wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

stub wrote:Did somebody mention beta blockers...?

had a few - still nervous. on the beer now.

hoping for better results

Beer correct choice although my heart is thumping hard!

I am starting to trip out- Took a valium as well.

Got the palace game after this then on going out.

I may be in rehab soon or dead, You lot may not see me for a bit.

Everything is going numb.

It doesnt help that the beer i am drinking is 8% belgium

Fair point about Farrell though...why does he react like that?

nothing funnier that watching sir clive talk b*ws

nathan wrote:Wood as biased as ever!

You know what you're going to get with him. I try not to listen.

Cari wrote:Fair point about Farrell though...why does he react like that?

well if you can get away with it- why not....

hehe, brown with his goal keeper save.

HawkTheSlayersRubbish wrote:nothing funnier that watching sir clive talk b*ws

I do chuckle to myself when he keeps talking about the Irish player "Ken Haley"

The last 20 minutes of this game will be worth watching.

36 has not played well. Mike Brown is a wonderful player who needs to stop niggling everyone he plays against. Very impressed with the defences indeed.

Brian Moore is the biggest downer ever, and this games too tense for his constant whinging!

Frak scary tight at the moment!

nathan wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:I think Marler has played well...he never seems to get any recognition.

Usually it's ignored if he does well in the scrum, then gets slated if it goes against.

The MS and MF are getting the hybrid pitches aren't they? Scotland are getting theirs in the summer I think. Not sure about Wales.

isn't that the same for every player?

Not all, some get praised for their good work, while anything bad gets talked down. Mentioning no specific players or nationalities   

mystiroakey wrote:

Cari wrote:Fair point about Farrell though...why does he react like that?

well if you can get away with it- why not....

Doesn't make it right just because you can get away with it. He just comes off making himself look worse than anything. He's not doing himself any favours.

GG, still think Brown isn't a good player?

The two 15's have been excellent but I would say Brown has been the better, really excellent vision and had he had better back up after his break then it was a certain try for England.

George Carlin wrote:The last 20 minutes of this game will be worth watching.

36 has not played well. Mike Brown is a wonderful player who needs to stop niggling everyone he plays against. Very impressed with the defences indeed.

Why?

Why was that Browns fault, how do you know BOD didn't say something?

I cant remember brown ever not getting through the first tackle attempt.

The lads need to react around him though. They need to have the belief he will get through a tackle or two and get up to his level so he can pass.

This is a tighter game than i thought it was going to be.

Mike Brown and Rob Karney, both having a great game hard to seperate which one is having the better game at the mo.

Ireland not doing so well in the scrum at the moment. would have thought Ireland would of had an advantage there to be honest.

The battle between Danny Care and Connor Murry is looking interesting, Care just shading it at this point.

Is Back drunk?!!

nathan wrote:

HammerofThunor wrote:

GeordieFalcon wrote:I think Marler has played well...he never seems to get any recognition.

Usually it's ignored if he does well in the scrum, then gets slated if it goes against.

The MS and MF are getting the hybrid pitches aren't they? Scotland are getting theirs in the summer I think. Not sure about Wales.

isn't that the same for every player?

Yeah it is Nathan, just Marler has been criticised heavily for some time...but I really think he's becoming a very good international prop now...hes scrummed well, carried hard, rucked well etc..but its just ignored.

As long as it's legal unlike Farrell, I'm happy with brown niggling.

majesticimperialman wrote:This is a tighter game than i thought it was going to be.

Mike Brown and Rob Karney, both having a great game hard to seperate which one is having the better game at the mo.

Ireland not doing so well in the scrum at the moment. would have thought Ireland would of had an advantage there to be honest.

The battle between Danny Care and Connor Murry is looking interesting, Care just shading it at this point.

murrey should be pinged for playing the 9 at scrum time, he constantly pushes care around and pulls him out of the way.

Mike Brown showing Rob Kearney how a top 15 plays!

A yellow card could settle this game, Farrell should have been kicked up the backside at half time.

catch & drive time.

Very good try Ireland

HAD TO BE CHILLI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow! What a try!

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