froch's bro attack's glen mccrory!

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Not exactly boxing related I know but lee froch has resorted to personally insulting big glenn on twitter. If anyone has checked hes twitter account you really should. The guy is a complete scumbag. I really don't know how carl can let him write the garbage he does. He is seriously loseing carl fans at a time when carl should be building hes fanbase. I think a large majority will want groves to will want groves to win just to shut up hes low life brother. I really cant wait to the wiegh in when big glen catches up him face ta face .

Taylor just had stamina problems. Bhop was hardly the guy to show that up. Every half decent fighter since has.

But love the logic hermy. It only takes Berbick and Tyson as steps to get you to Danny Williams beats Ali.

Fair to say that Taylor, with the home advantage and championship experience behind him, dominated the opening rounds. Wouldn't argue with that all.


But Froch started to control things from the sixth onwards for me. It all turned when he landed that vicious right cross.


From then on Taylor tried to con his way to victory, with flourishes at the end of the round. Of course, if Taylor had stayed on his feet, he would have got the nod, but if Froch had won the last round big, he probably would have just nicked it on my card.

He landed a good shot in the 6th, but the 7th was one of Taylors best rounds and Froch was hanging on and in trouble when the bell went to end the 8th. He barely won a round watch it again it was a mismatch until Taylor achilles heal of stamina problems got the better of him.

I would say judging from your comment you're not the most impartial person when it comes to Froch, Taylor was edging him but he wasn't getting outclassed from the 6th round onwards. Al Bernstein tends to know a thing or two about boxing and is for my money the best commentator there is, he had Froch one round up.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I would say judging from your comment you're not the most impartial person when it comes to Froch, Taylor was edging him but he wasn't getting outclassed from the 6th round onwards. Al Bernstein tends to know a thing or two about boxing and is for my money the best commentator there is, he had Froch one round up.

He might know a thing or two and you might think he's the best, but he was bloody wrong about that fight.

You tell me then Mate, if Froch was coming into the fight from the 6th round onwards why are the 7th and 8th 2 of Taylors best rounds of the fight. Taylor controlled it from beginning to very near the end when his tank emptied all of a sudden. Watch it again its one of the most onesided whippings you will see between 2 supposed top fighters until Froch pulled it out of the fire. In reality i think the fact he kept going and his refusal to give up even when being totally outclassed is what has makes Froch special and helped him achieve far more than someone of his talent really should have, an iron will to win and the toughness of a rhino.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Al Bernstein tends to know a thing or two about boxing and is for my money the best commentator there is, he had Froch one round up.

He what!? I like Bernstein as well, Hammersmith, and agree that he's an excellent commentator, but I think he must have had a shocker there. Froch being ahead going in to that twelfth round is insane.

That said, Froch did close the gap appreciably in the second half of the fight. I think the fact that he wasn't winning rounds as clearly as Taylor was winning his maybe just gives the impression that Froch was hopelessly outclassed more than he actually was (or for longer than he actually was, if you'd prefer!).

I thought the Taylor-Froch fight could be roughly split in to four clear quarters; rounds 1-3 saw Froch getting outclassed, beaten all ends up and looking pretty average. Rounds 4-6 saw him slowly improving and at least giving Taylor something to think about as he made the rounds closer, but still ultimately losing them. Rounds 7-9 Taylor visibly started losing some of his earlier precision and elusiveness, and this combined with Carl's pressure and still-improving shot selection / quality saw Froch starting to chip away at Taylor's lead, which was still a big one. Rounds 10-12, of course, saw Froch picking up the pace further still and Taylor not just gassing, but in fact running on empty and as Herman said, only working towards the back end of rounds with Froch all over him for the most part.

Always an enjoyable fight to watch, but in fairness to Carl I only had him 3 points behind going in to the twelfth. Had the referee not intervened then Taylor would almost certainly have been hitting the deck for a second time in the round; I'm not sure he'd have been able to beat another count, but even if he did, a 10-7 round would have just about hauled Froch on to level terms to keep his title via a draw, for me. Appreciate that some will argue I've probably been as kind to Carl as I possibly could be there, and that if he'd have scraped a draw it would have exposed what some perceive as flaws in the ten point must system given how Taylor had been winning his share of the rounds so much more emphatically, but Froch did make a great fight of it in the end!

The yank commentators had it closer than the Brits. Couldn't see it myself, I had Taylor well up. No doubt froch was coming back into it and the rounds were closer in the second half of the fight, but frankly chuck in the knock down and even giving froch every close round , I find it impossible to see how you could have froch ahead.

But hey, it doesn't matter, he got the job done, fair play to him.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I would say judging from your comment you're not the most impartial person when it comes to Froch, Taylor was edging him but he wasn't getting outclassed from the 6th round onwards. Al Bernstein tends to know a thing or two about boxing and is for my money the best commentator there is, he had Froch one round up.

Anyone that had Froch even close to Taylor in the scoring let alone winning should never be taken serious again, it was a mauling. He dominated the first 8 rounds except for the 6th and in the 7th Taylor made Froch look like a 3 fight novice and he was out on his feet at the end of the 8th. He also gave as good as he got in all the other rounds and could easily have been given another 2 with Froch taking the other. It should have been a near shut out if Taylor stays on his feet.

I had it 105-103 going into the last round, it just wasn't a one sided schooling no matter how much you protest.

Press row were split on the fight too, the yanks seemed to prefer Frochs work rate and aggression but while I had it close can't see him being ahead.

hogey wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I would say judging from your comment you're not the most impartial person when it comes to Froch, Taylor was edging him but he wasn't getting outclassed from the 6th round onwards. Al Bernstein tends to know a thing or two about boxing and is for my money the best commentator there is, he had Froch one round up.

Anyone that had Froch even close to Taylor in the scoring let alone winning should never be taken serious again, it was a mauling. He dominated the first 8 rounds except for the 6th and in the 7th Taylor made Froch look like a 3 fight novice and he was out on his feet at the end of the 8th. He also gave as good as he got in all the other rounds and could easily have been given another 2 with Froch taking the other. It should have been a near shut out if Taylor stays on his feet.

Quite laughable analysis that is, suppose that means I won't be taking you seriously any more.

He lost badly 1-5 , 7-8 clearly as well and suffered a Knockdown as well and 9 and 10 could be scored either way Froch just done better in them. Love to sit down and watch the fight with you and hear how you could have given Froch so many rounds. Go watch it again mate i watched it a few days ago and it was an easy fight to score. I do give him credit for somehow taking that beating and coming back to win, it was a brilliant display of courage and heart.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

hogey wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I would say judging from your comment you're not the most impartial person when it comes to Froch, Taylor was edging him but he wasn't getting outclassed from the 6th round onwards. Al Bernstein tends to know a thing or two about boxing and is for my money the best commentator there is, he had Froch one round up.

Anyone that had Froch even close to Taylor in the scoring let alone winning should never be taken serious again, it was a mauling. He dominated the first 8 rounds except for the 6th and in the 7th Taylor made Froch look like a 3 fight novice and he was out on his feet at the end of the 8th. He also gave as good as he got in all the other rounds and could easily have been given another 2 with Froch taking the other. It should have been a near shut out if Taylor stays on his feet.

Quite laughable analysis that is, suppose that means I won't be taking you seriously any more.

If you took Al Bernstein's view of the fight serious then i think my opinion is more valid in this case mate.
Maybe you can tell me which of the first 5 rounds you did not score for Taylor or how you managed to score either the 7th which was one of Taylors best rounds or maybe the 8th when Froch was nearly gone as the bell sounded for Froch ? At best Froch made it more competitive as Taylor tired even then he was landing less and his work was not as clean.

Never understood why Froch is lucky Taylor's stamina was a weakness, but Taylor isn't lucky Froch's speed is a weakness.

The truth is, each guy had different strengths and one came out on top.

I can't recall my scorecard round for round Hogey, i'll give it a watch tomorrow and post it up, it doesn't really matter as the best man on the night won ultimately.

I had Taylor up by 4 rounds which is exactly how the three judges at ringside had it.

I hate when people just blatantly make things up to suit their argument. Thankfully there are only a few clowns that do this.

You've just done it there, the fight was heading for a split decision so how all three judges scored it the same is baffling.

Although I don't credit Lee Froch with the intelligence to create some sort of master plan I really hope Groves and fans don't get too caught up in his utter tripe. I can't see Paddy letting him if I'm honest but its something to contend with that wasn't there last time.

While we're on the subject, I'm looking forward to hearing from Paddy in the build up, I practically hang on his every word! Interesting bloke, knows his onions for sure.