England vs Ireland, Part 2

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You beauties...

What a crackin game....

mystiroakey wrote:I get the irish thing..

I pretend to be irish when I go to dublin for a jolly.. I fit right in. Get drunk, swear, i love it

Well I have to stop you there mroakey - Irish folk go on the lash, one has to be English to go on a jolly.

mystiroakey wrote:

Well they all play for your football team mate.. 

They do something. Not many people would call it football - the little I see of it We may have to go looking for Pretend Irish Americans there too - the Pretend English ones ain't doin' the bizz.

GunsGerms wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:I get the irish thing..

I pretend to be irish when I go to dublin for a jolly.. I fit right in. Get drunk, swear, i love it

Sounds like an English person on holidays to me.

yes bit of that as well. but thats the best thing about doing it ireland- you dont look out of sorts. 

mystiroakey wrote:whisky is not something the paddies need to be proud off. The scots have that wrapped up mate.

Its all about stout, enya and white pudding

English people have lots to be proud of too:

Andy Murray, Rory McIlroy, Indian food and Freddie Mercury. The list goes on.

mystiroakey wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:I get the irish thing..

I pretend to be irish when I go to dublin for a jolly.. I fit right in. Get drunk, swear, i love it

Sounds like an English person on holidays to me.

yes bit of that as well. but thats the best thing about doing it ireland- you dont look out of sorts. 

but if you go to Newcastle you probably look boring.

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

Well they all play for your football team mate.. 

They do something.  Not many people would call it football - the little I see of it  We may have to go looking for Pretend Irish Americans there too - the Pretend English ones ain't doin' the bizz.

I have no idea what our Cricket team is going to do though- The ones we get off ireland cant deal with 5 days in the field and for some reason the saffas have stopped sending theres over..

gregortree wrote:Secret, no prob, I do understand the brogue, if not the Gaelic.
Jamesons Paddy, or Bushmills ? Which is best ?
Entry test question for foreign imports.

You're asking the wrong Irish dude. I'm one of the rare and crazy breed of them that don't drink Far out, man - Rad-Ic-CAL!!

STARS ARE IN ENGLAND'S FAVOUR IN MARCHGustav Holst (Cheltenham lad) wrote 'Jupiter' the joybringer. So it must be an England 6n in March.
The stars are aligned.
Britain will enjoy “fantastic” views of Jupiter next month. University College London announced the planet will be visible through binoculars. A spokesman said: “You'll be able to see that Jupiter is distinctly non-star-like and you should be able to make out the Galilean moons of Jupiter - the four largest moons.” The Times

GunsGerms wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:whisky is not something the paddies need to be proud off. The scots have that wrapped up mate.

Its all about stout, enya and white pudding

English people have lots to be proud of too:

Andy Murray, Rory McIlroy, Indian food and Freddie Mercury. The list goes on.

I have to stop you at indian food.

we were actually very involved from the start..

we brought certain spices and chillies to india back in the day to aid the creation of Indian cuisine.. We also have now taking it to another level. Yes we can be proud of that thank you..

SecretFly wrote:

gregortree wrote:Secret, no prob, I do understand the brogue, if not the Gaelic.
Jamesons Paddy, or Bushmills ? Which is best ?
Entry test question for foreign imports.

You're asking the wrong Irish dude.  I'm one of the rare and crazy breed of them that don't drink  Far out, man - Rad-Ic-CAL!!

what drugs do you take then mate?

mystiroakey wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:whisky is not something the paddies need to be proud off. The scots have that wrapped up mate.

Its all about stout, enya and white pudding

English people have lots to be proud of too:

Andy Murray, Rory McIlroy, Indian food and Freddie Mercury. The list goes on.

I have to stop you at indian food.

we were actually very involved from the start..

we brought certain spices and chillies to india back in the day to aid the creation of Indian cuisine.. We also have now taking it to another level. Yes we can be proud of that thank you..

Yes of course. Everyone knows Indian food was invented in England.

mystiroakey wrote:whisky is not something the paddies need to be proud off. The scots have that wrapped up mate.

Its all about stout, enya and white pudding

If an American Paddy could pass that test then he / she should run for President of Ireland, or at least of the IRFU.

Anyway...are you English boys using us poor Irish men as target practice and car crash test dummies for your usual shenanigans with the Welsh???

You're using us to warm up?  Not enough Welsh on the threads yet?  Nope - I've noticed that too.  All the legendary Welsh firebrands of the past seem to have vacated the building.

I'll try to act like a Welshman if that is required.  But I too will firstly have to warm up.  They burn hotter than we Irish do.  They're blue flame basterauds, them lads.  Wrong colour on the shirts guys.

GunsGerms wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:whisky is not something the paddies need to be proud off. The scots have that wrapped up mate.

Its all about stout, enya and white pudding

English people have lots to be proud of too:

Andy Murray, Rory McIlroy, Indian food and Freddie Mercury. The list goes on.

I have to stop you at indian food.

we were actually very involved from the start..

we brought certain spices and chillies to india back in the day to aid the creation of Indian cuisine.. We also have now taking it to another level. Yes we can be proud of that thank you..

Yes of course. Everyone knows Indian food was invented in England.

no you misread the point.

its not hard to get it if you try!

Indian food is Indian food- but we aided the process... I just thought I would throw insomething intellectual to the discussion..

SecretFly wrote:Anyway...are you English boys using us poor Irish men as target practice and car crash test dummies for your usual shenanigans with the Welsh???

You're using us to warm up?  Not enough Welsh on the threads yet?  Nope - I've noticed that too.  All the legendary Welsh firebrands of the past seem to have vacated the building.

I'll try to act like a Welshman if that is required.  But I too will firstly have to warm up.  They burn hotter than we Irish do.  They're blue flame basterauds, them lads.  Wrong colour on the shirts guys.

I cant be bothered with that boring thread.

SF can you come over to make it more interesting please?

mystiroakey wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

gregortree wrote:Secret, no prob, I do understand the brogue, if not the Gaelic.
Jamesons Paddy, or Bushmills ? Which is best ?
Entry test question for foreign imports.

You're asking the wrong Irish dude.  I'm one of the rare and crazy breed of them that don't drink  Far out, man - Rad-Ic-CAL!!

what drugs do you take then mate?

Me? Oh I don't need 'em. I was born with illegal substances in my blood.

Cornish pasties.
London Gin.
Jellie eels and pies in their liquor.
Tripe & Onion.
Cold whelks in vinegar.
Don't diss English food.

gregortree wrote:Cornish pasties.
London Gin.
Jellie eels and pies in their liquor.
Tripe & Onion.
Cold whelks in vinegar.
Don't diss English food.

drop me out- the first two are actually ok.

the rest  

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

gregortree wrote:Secret, no prob, I do understand the brogue, if not the Gaelic.
Jamesons Paddy, or Bushmills ? Which is best ?
Entry test question for foreign imports.

You're asking the wrong Irish dude.  I'm one of the rare and crazy breed of them that don't drink  Far out, man - Rad-Ic-CAL!!

what drugs do you take then mate?

Me?  Oh I don't need 'em.  I was born with illegal substances in my blood.

were you dropped in a barrel of magic potion as a child like Oblix?

mystiroakey wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Anyway...are you English boys using us poor Irish men as target practice and car crash test dummies for your usual shenanigans with the Welsh???

You're using us to warm up?  Not enough Welsh on the threads yet?  Nope - I've noticed that too.  All the legendary Welsh firebrands of the past seem to have vacated the building.

I'll try to act like a Welshman if that is required.  But I too will firstly have to warm up.  They burn hotter than we Irish do.  They're blue flame basterauds, them lads.  Wrong colour on the shirts guys.

I cant be bothered with that boring thread.

SF can you come over to make it more interesting please?

In the olden days of yore (BBC 606) I could'a actually created a new alias as a mad Welshman just for the occasion (I think??? Could I? I forget the rules of that place - but they were much more anarchic about rules there)
Nowadays you'd get banned for double jobbing your identity. But I'd have such fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  Fair play Fly...you've been top form over the last fortnight.
Wrong on the Whiskey front. Jamesons is liquid gold...  

mystiroakey wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Anyway...are you English boys using us poor Irish men as target practice and car crash test dummies for your usual shenanigans with the Welsh???

You're using us to warm up?  Not enough Welsh on the threads yet?  Nope - I've noticed that too.  All the legendary Welsh firebrands of the past seem to have vacated the building.

I'll try to act like a Welshman if that is required.  But I too will firstly have to warm up.  They burn hotter than we Irish do.  They're blue flame basterauds, them lads.  Wrong colour on the shirts guys.

I cant be bothered with that boring thread.

SF can you come over to make it more interesting please?

We prefer Irish company Secret.
Much more convivial than our Welsh cousins.
You sure must have made them bitter at the Aviva, what did you do to them ?

We treated them like wild dogs unfortunatley, gregor.  My apologies in advance.  You see we brought them over to Dublin but didn't feed ourselves to them.  Which is dangerous!!!!!!!!!!..... they is hungry now.  Ravenous.  They is mad!!!!  Tempers are starting to rise!!!!!!!!!!  France was their Starter dish.  They want their dinner now.

If they get to London before self-destructing on rage - they'll be a handful, gregor.  Just saying' is all.  Keep your women and children folk away from the game and strictly no knives and forks...or salt... at HQ.

mystiroakey wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:whisky is not something the paddies need to be proud off. The scots have that wrapped up mate.

Its all about stout, enya and white pudding

English people have lots to be proud of too:

Andy Murray, Rory McIlroy, Indian food and Freddie Mercury. The list goes on.

I have to stop you at indian food.

we were actually very involved from the start..

we brought certain spices and chillies to india back in the day to aid the creation of Indian cuisine.. We also have now taking it to another level. Yes we can be proud of that thank you..

Yes of course. Everyone knows Indian food was invented in England.

no you misread the point.

its not hard to get it if you try!

Indian food is Indian food- but we aided the process... I just thought I would throw insomething intellectual to the discussion..

It was the Portuguese, for example, that brought chilies to India.... (Vindaloo being an 'Indian' dish of Portuguese origin, for example).

someone also brought spuds from South America................................

It's the bloomin' British again! Brought the food they intended to starve us on! How cruel is that...and no spices neither to make the famine taste better at least

TopHat24/7 wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:whisky is not something the paddies need to be proud off. The scots have that wrapped up mate.

Its all about stout, enya and white pudding

English people have lots to be proud of too:

Andy Murray, Rory McIlroy, Indian food and Freddie Mercury. The list goes on.

I have to stop you at indian food.

we were actually very involved from the start..

we brought certain spices and chillies to india back in the day to aid the creation of Indian cuisine.. We also have now taking it to another level. Yes we can be proud of that thank you..

Yes of course. Everyone knows Indian food was invented in England.

no you misread the point.

its not hard to get it if you try!

Indian food is Indian food- but we aided the process... I just thought I would throw insomething intellectual to the discussion..

It was the Portuguese, for example, that brought chilies to India.... (Vindaloo being an 'Indian' dish of Portuguese origin, for example).

yes Columbus did his bit as well.

but so did many British travellers as well

SecretFly wrote:someone also brought spuds from South America................................

It's the bloomin' British again!  Brought the food they intended to starve us on!  How cruel is that...and no spices neither to make the famine taste better at least

come on man , you have 4 leaf clovers..

just use them

SecretFly wrote:someone also brought spuds from South America................................

It's the bloomin' British again!  Brought the food they intended to starve us on!  How cruel is that...and no spices neither to make the famine taste better at least

  

SecretFly wrote:someone also brought spuds from South America................................

It's the bloomin' British again!  Brought the food they intended to starve us on!  How cruel is that...and no spices neither to make the famine taste better at least

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3gfjpcgZmw

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:Don't worry yourself rodders I'm only replying in like to Guns and his concerted effort to denigrate England's win on all threads  Apparently the ref was a homer and the England side is full of foreigners, don't you know?

Go back to bed Cyril. I already said England were good value for their win. Stop being so needy.

I'm not sure how you can equate 'good value for the win' with a 'homer ref'.

Sounds like a GE comment with the usual reservations.

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:Don't worry yourself rodders I'm only replying in like to Guns and his concerted effort to denigrate England's win on all threads  Apparently the ref was a homer and the England side is full of foreigners, don't you know?

Go back to bed Cyril. I already said England were good value for their win. Stop being so needy.

I'm not sure how you can equate 'good value for the win' with a 'homer ref'.

Sounds like a GE comment with the usual reservations.

Of all Joubert reffed games over 80% have been won by the home side. That is a fact. The figure is more like 50% for Rolland for example. Joubert is a homer ref. England won, get over it.

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:Don't worry yourself rodders I'm only replying in like to Guns and his concerted effort to denigrate England's win on all threads  Apparently the ref was a homer and the England side is full of foreigners, don't you know?

Go back to bed Cyril. I already said England were good value for their win. Stop being so needy.

I'm not sure how you can equate 'good value for the win' with a 'homer ref'.

Sounds like a GE comment with the usual reservations.

Of all Joubert reffed games over 80% have been won by the home side. That is a fact. The figure is more like 50% for Rolland for example. Joubert is a homer ref. England won, get over it.

I'm not disputing those percentages but where's the source?

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:Don't worry yourself rodders I'm only replying in like to Guns and his concerted effort to denigrate England's win on all threads  Apparently the ref was a homer and the England side is full of foreigners, don't you know?

Go back to bed Cyril. I already said England were good value for their win. Stop being so needy.

I'm not sure how you can equate 'good value for the win' with a 'homer ref'.

Sounds like a GE comment with the usual reservations.

Of all Joubert reffed games over 80% have been won by the home side. That is a fact. The figure is more like 50% for Rolland for example. Joubert is a homer ref. England won, get over it.

Doesn't the home side generally win? It's hardly as if he gave all decisions to England is it. It just sounds bitter tbh. Did you finally see what we were on about with Brown by the way?

Cyril wrote:I'm not disputing those percentages but where's the source?

Scrum.com

Refer to the last paragraph of this article:

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/championship-carrot-dangles-after-epic-battle-1.1702135?page=2

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Doesn't the home side generally win? It's hardly as if he gave all decisions to England is it. It just sounds bitter tbh. Did you finally see what we were on about with Brown by the way?

I have already said Brown played well and that England were good value for their win. Are England fans usually this needy?

I watched the game again and without doubt that was a humdinger! It was tense and exciting from start to finish, played at explosive pace and with lots of adventure. There were a fair few errors, mostly caused by superb defence, and a lot that was breathtaking. It was the sort of game where you just want to thank all the players for an amazing spectacle.

And Wales in a fortnight is likely to be very similar imo.

No 7&1/2 wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:Don't worry yourself rodders I'm only replying in like to Guns and his concerted effort to denigrate England's win on all threads  Apparently the ref was a homer and the England side is full of foreigners, don't you know?

Go back to bed Cyril. I already said England were good value for their win. Stop being so needy.

I'm not sure how you can equate 'good value for the win' with a 'homer ref'.

Sounds like a GE comment with the usual reservations.

Of all Joubert reffed games over 80% have been won by the home side. That is a fact. The figure is more like 50% for Rolland for example. Joubert is a homer ref. England won, get over it.

Doesn't the home side generally win? It's hardly as if he gave all decisions to England is it. It just sounds bitter tbh. Did you finally see what we were on about with Brown by the way?

Exactly, surely if anything those stats highlight that Rolland (an incompetent ref I cannot stand who it still staggers me is allowed to ref France games) over-penalises the home side if anything.

GunsGerms wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Doesn't the home side generally win? It's hardly as if he gave all decisions to England is it. It just sounds bitter tbh. Did you finally see what we were on about with Brown by the way?

I have already said Brown played well and that England were good value for their win. Are England fans usually this needy?

You keep coming out with this homer thing but barring a few mistakes for both sides there's nothing really to suggest this. By saying it you're detratcing form a great game and performances by both teams.

Why does it stagger you that he refs France games?

No 7&1/2 wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Doesn't the home side generally win? It's hardly as if he gave all decisions to England is it. It just sounds bitter tbh. Did you finally see what we were on about with Brown by the way?

I have already said Brown played well and that England were good value for their win. Are England fans usually this needy?

You keep coming out with this homer thing but barring a few mistakes for both sides there's nothing really to suggest this. By saying it you're detratcing form a great game and performances by both teams.

Not bothered going over it again. Read back if you really care.

GunsGerms wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:
Doesn't the home side generally win? It's hardly as if he gave all decisions to England is it. It just sounds bitter tbh. Did you finally see what we were on about with Brown by the way?

I have already said Brown played well and that England were good value for their win. Are England fans usually this needy?

You keep coming out with this homer thing but barring a few mistakes for both sides there's nothing really to suggest this. By saying it you're detratcing form a great game and performances by both teams.

Not bothered going over it again. Read back if you really care.

I've read what you've said. I think it comes across as wanting something out of Irelands control that lead to the loss in a game you thought you'd win reasonably comfortably.

Looks like Fofana will be out for the rest of the 6 nations and Parra will be banned. Wonder will Ireland be playing France at just the right time?

We'll need a few more than that. If we can drop them to 12 on the field of play, we'll have a good chance

No 7&1/2 wrote:I've read what you've said. I think it comes across as wanting something out of Irelands control that lead to the loss in a game you thought you'd win reasonably comfortably.

I think you just crave compliments. England played well, Brown played very well. Happy?

I have said millions of times that the reason Ireland lost is because they didnt turn the screw at 10-3 up not because Joubert is a homer. You need to factor that in and Im sure they did.

6N is between Ireland and England now, with an Irish flying start on points difference.
Wales 3rd France 4th. Is my prediction.

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Exactly, surely if anything those stats highlight that Rolland (an incompetent ref I cannot stand who it still staggers me is allowed to ref France games) over-penalises the home side if anything.

Ever think that might be because he's one of the only elite referees who speaks fluent French? Fair enough he's not allowed to ref Ireland games having been born and lived in Ireland his whole life, as well as representing them at international level, but it would be kind of unfair to France not to give them the referee who speaks the best French for at least a reasonable proportion of their games.

These posts always miss out on the fact all of the home nations already have a massive advantage when they play France with a ref who only speaks English.

GunsGerms wrote:Why does it stagger you that he refs France games?

Because he's half French.

I wouldn't expect him to ref France any more than I would Ireland.

But being able to speak the lingo appears to gloss over lineage.

Nigel Owens doesn't speak English! That's laughable. He speaks his owen language - and it's Nigelish.

And great fun it is too.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Why does it stagger you that he refs France games?

Because he's half French.

I wouldn't expect him to ref France any more than I would Ireland.

But being able to speak the lingo appears to gloss over lineage.

No he isnt he is Irish. Born in Ireland, lived all his life in Ireland and represented Ireland in rugby. Doesnt get much more Irish that that. I assume given his dad is French that he has family in France but equally its possible Wayne Barnes or Nigel Owens have family in England, Scotland, Wales or even possibly Ireland. Who cares.

Kaplan may have relatives in Zimbabwe, Namibia or Israel etc. Steve walsh in OZ and NZ, Dickinson in NZ or England etc. blah blah blah blah.

GunsGerms wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:Why does it stagger you that he refs France games?

Because he's half French.

I wouldn't expect him to ref France any more than I would Ireland.

But being able to speak the lingo appears to gloss over lineage.

No he isnt he is Irish. Born in Ireland, lived all his life in Ireland and represented Ireland in rugby. Doesnt get much more Irish that that. I assume given his dad is French that he has family in France but equally its possible Wayne Barnes or Nigel Owens have family in England, Scotland, Wales or even possibly Ireland. Who cares.

Very true.  It's his name that seems to make him double trouble.  But a number of refs will have double trouble backgrounds without the obvious name helping people identify it.

Besides - I always say that no ref is neutral.  They're human and they know the connotations so there is always a theoretical chance that a Welsh ref reffing a game against Italy and France might know the connotations needed to give Wales a better shot at something than France.

There is always a reason why a ref could be classed as biased and things that ref could do throughout a number of games to aid one side over another.