England vs Ireland, Part 2

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You beauties...

What a crackin game....

erm yeah odd one that.

Most irish consider you are irish if you have 1% irish blood- and where you live is immaterial.

By the way I am very much in the camp that Genes mean zip all.. Its where you live or have lived is all that matters

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:I'm not disputing those percentages but where's the source?

Scrum.com

Refer to the last paragraph of this article:

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/championship-carrot-dangles-after-epic-battle-1.1702135?page=2

Thanks. Looks like the Irish Times have been hard at work trawling scrum.com

Let's turn this around. If Ireland had won in Dublin against England with Joubert as the ref and any English fan brought up the 'homer' tag I think you would be all over them like a rash calling 'sour grapes'.

It's not about being 'needy' but some of your comments are rather ingracious. Some of that might come from you being very confident prior to the game (you knew who the ref was then too).

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:I'm not disputing those percentages but where's the source?

Scrum.com

Refer to the last paragraph of this article:

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/championship-carrot-dangles-after-epic-battle-1.1702135?page=2

Thanks. Looks like the Irish Times have been hard at work trawling scrum.com

Let's turn this around. If Ireland had won in Dublin against England with Joubert as the ref and any English fan brought up the 'homer' tag I think you would be all over them like a rash calling 'sour grapes'.

It's not about being 'needy' but some of your comments are rather ingracious. Some of that might come from you being very confident prior to the game (you knew who the ref was then too).

No I wouldnt Cyril. The point I'm making all along is that the Ireland team would have accounted for it, they still came up short. I think Joubert is in particular a homer but a lot of refs are to some extent. Its frustrating when in the last few minutes your team is chasing the game and you have legitimate claims for a penalty for example but you know you arent going to get it.

That might seem like sour grapes to you but it is a reality in rugby as far as Im concerned.

I make no apologies for being "very confident prior to the game". I believed my team would win, I think they formulated the right game plan but the execution was not good enough on the day particularly from key man Sexton.

Guns for Fofana, replace with Fickou. Not many teams could replace Fofana like for like but Fickou might turn out even better than the injured one. Losing Parra is massive.

Whatever individuals are in the team they put out, I'll believe we can beat them because they haven't yet played as a team.

mystiroakey wrote:erm yeah odd one that.

Most irish consider you are irish if you have 1% irish blood- and where you live is immaterial.

Wrong mystir. Most people with 1% Irish blood consider themselves Irish. Subtle difference and proves the Pretend Irish Americans thing you were on about earlier. We'll take it as a compliment that the Irish drop is the one they want to shout about.

Notch wrote:Guns for Fofana, replace with Fickou. Not many teams could replace Fofana like for like but Fickou might turn out even better than the injured one. Losing Parra is massive.

Whatever individuals are in the team they put out, I'll believe we can beat them because they haven't yet played as a team.

Fickou is a outside centre though isnt he? Id rater France lose Fofana than Fickou or Basterau to be honest. Fickou is class though.

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:erm yeah odd one that.

Most irish consider you are irish if you have 1% irish blood- and where you live is immaterial.

Wrong mystir.  Most people with 1% Irish blood consider themselves Irish.  Subtle difference and proves the Pretend Irish Americans thing you were on about earlier.  We'll take it as a compliment that the Irish drop is the one they want to shout about.  

i think there are only 14 people with english heritage left in the USA ..

But its all good- we can now blame the irish for vietnam

Or that the Irish drop is shoutier than the other 99%...  

Cowshot wrote:Or that the Irish drop is shoutier than the other 99%...  

or its not actually blood but just 500000% proof potato vodka

mystiroakey wrote:

Cowshot wrote:Or that the Irish drop is shoutier than the other 99%...  

or its not actually blood but just 500000% proof potato vodka

What in gods name is that?

vodka can be made from potatoes.

GunsGerms wrote:

Notch wrote:Guns for Fofana, replace with Fickou. Not many teams could replace Fofana like for like but Fickou might turn out even better than the injured one. Losing Parra is massive.

Whatever individuals are in the team they put out, I'll believe we can beat them because they haven't yet played as a team.

Fickou is a outside centre though isnt he? Id rater France lose Fofana than Fickou or Basterau to be honest. Fickou is class though.

This kid is talented enough to play 12, 13- actually a very similar player to Fofana. With a big ball carrier in Basteauread at 13 then a pacy, skilful player like Fickou would be the ideal choice at 12.

I'm also more confident that Fofana is probably out, because at least they won't drop that useless big heffalump they call an outside centre for Fickou when he's needed at 12! Also, Fickou is a danger player coming off the bench for them so either way it's still good news.

ME-109 wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

Cowshot wrote:Or that the Irish drop is shoutier than the other 99%...  

or its not actually blood but just 500000% proof potato vodka

What in gods name is that?

Its what Russians with 1% Irish blood drink.

rodders wrote:

ME-109 wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

Cowshot wrote:Or that the Irish drop is shoutier than the other 99%...  

or its not actually blood but just 500000% proof potato vodka

What in gods name is that?

Its what Russians with 1% Irish blood drink.

I think Tarquin is getting confused...

Vestal Polsaie is a good one I once tried in Poland.

many vodkas are made from potato

ME-109 wrote:

rodders wrote:

ME-109 wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

Cowshot wrote:Or that the Irish drop is shoutier than the other 99%...  

or its not actually blood but just 500000% proof potato vodka

What in gods name is that?

Its what Russians with 1% Irish blood drink.

I think Tarquin is getting confused...

No you are just showing yourself up to being immensely stupid.. Potato is not an uncommon ingredient to make vodka with..

Now now Tarquin...  ..,I think you are getting your Irish gardner mixed up with your Polish plumber....

SecretFly wrote:

Wrong mystir.  Most people with 1% Irish blood consider themselves Irish.  Subtle difference and proves the Pretend Irish Americans thing you were on about earlier.  We'll take it as a compliment that the Irish drop is the one they want to shout about.  

2 pints of guinness and a silly hat on St Paddys day is enough fro most English students

you asked what potato vodka is- Its been explained?

what else do you lack knowledge of?

I dont have long though dude, so be quick?

mystiroakey wrote:vodka can be made from potatoes.

Vodka is Vodka and Poitín is Poitín. If the Irish drink drunk potatoes, that's Poitín. If the Russians, and smart dressed Europeans and other worldly types drink potatoes with alcohol in them - that's maybe Vodka...if they want to call it that.

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

Cyril wrote:I'm not disputing those percentages but where's the source?

Scrum.com

Refer to the last paragraph of this article:

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/championship-carrot-dangles-after-epic-battle-1.1702135?page=2

Thanks. Looks like the Irish Times have been hard at work trawling scrum.com

Let's turn this around. If Ireland had won in Dublin against England with Joubert as the ref and any English fan brought up the 'homer' tag I think you would be all over them like a rash calling 'sour grapes'.

It's not about being 'needy' but some of your comments are rather ingracious. Some of that might come from you being very confident prior to the game (you knew who the ref was then too).

No I wouldnt Cyril. The point I'm making all along is that the Ireland team would have accounted for it, they still came up short. I think Joubert is in particular a homer but a lot of refs are to some extent. Its frustrating when in the last few minutes your team is chasing the game and you have legitimate claims for a penalty for example but you know you arent going to get it.

That might seem like sour grapes to you but it is a reality in rugby as far as Im concerned.

I make no apologies for being "very confident prior to the game". I believed my team would win, I think they formulated the right game plan but the execution was not good enough on the day particularly from key man Sexton.

it's frustrating when he doesn't see a more clear penalty for a high tackle. We score then and it may have been a big win. He didn't deliberately make mistakes.

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

Wrong mystir.  Most people with 1% Irish blood consider themselves Irish.  Subtle difference and proves the Pretend Irish Americans thing you were on about earlier.  We'll take it as a compliment that the Irish drop is the one they want to shout about.  

2 pints of guinness and a silly hat on St Paddys day is enough fro most English students

Most English students probably have the genuine 1% in them. They're qualified to think it's only the Gunness making them believe they are

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:vodka can be made from potatoes.

Vodka is Vodka and Poitín is Poitín. If the Irish drink drunk potatoes, that's Poitín.  If the Russians, and smart dressed Europeans and other worldly types drink potatoes with alcohol in them - that's maybe Vodka...if they want to call it that.

what are you talking about?

potato vodka is a name for vodka made from potatoes..

Cant believe the irish didnt work that one out !!

The English version chase has won best spirit awards all over the world

re that high tackle - assume you are talking about POM's stopping of a certain score by grabbing the head? i only watched the game yday. was there some discussion about this one on the threads during the game?

Thanks Tarquin your good. Just your reference to Potato Vodka and Irish was interesting and a good pointer to not needing any further explanations...at least intelligible ones.

ME-109 wrote:Thanks Tarquin your good. Just your reference to Potato Vodka and Irish was interesting and a good pointer to not needing any further explanations...at least intelligible ones.

You have a chip on your shoulder dont you.

oh feick sorry... I have done it again havent i

mystiroakey wrote:
The English version chase has won best spirit awards all over the world

So now as well as claiming responsibility for introducing Indian food to India you are taking credit for an Irish-Russian drink?

Germany
Ireland
Africa
England

In that order make up the largest % ancestry of the American population so plenty of opportunity to trawl through failed NFL players for Stu and Joe.
Also I wonder why I've heard the terms Irish American and African American but never German American or English American. You really have so much in common (not least DNA).

mystiroakey wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:vodka can be made from potatoes.

Vodka is Vodka and Poitín is Poitín. If the Irish drink drunk potatoes, that's Poitín.  If the Russians, and smart dressed Europeans and other worldly types drink potatoes with alcohol in them - that's maybe Vodka...if they want to call it that.

what are you talking about?

potato vodka is a name for vodka made from potatoes..

Cant believe the irish didnt work that one out !!

The English version chase has won best spirit awards all over the world

Vodka is a Name, mystir.  It's not a trademark identifier of a spirit made of potatoes.  Coffee is coffee.  Nescafe is a Name.  You call potato spirits Vodka.... others call it Poitín and others call it Sake (sake too can be made from potatoes.

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:vodka can be made from potatoes.

Vodka is Vodka and Poitín is Poitín. If the Irish drink drunk potatoes, that's Poitín.  If the Russians, and smart dressed Europeans and other worldly types drink potatoes with alcohol in them - that's maybe Vodka...if they want to call it that.

what are you talking about?

potato vodka is a name for vodka made from potatoes..

Cant believe the irish didnt work that one out !!

The English version chase has won best spirit awards all over the world

Vodka is a Name, mystir.  It's not a trademark idenifier of a spirit made of potatoes.  Coffee is coffee.  Nescafe is a Name.  You call potato spirits Vodka.... others call it Poitín and others call it Sake (sake too can be made from potatoes.

no no not all- its all the distilling process.

poitin can also be made from anything- its basically moonshine.. cabbage, potatoes whatever.

vodka uses a very specific process

mystiroakey wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:vodka can be made from potatoes.

Vodka is Vodka and Poitín is Poitín. If the Irish drink drunk potatoes, that's Poitín.  If the Russians, and smart dressed Europeans and other worldly types drink potatoes with alcohol in them - that's maybe Vodka...if they want to call it that.

what are you talking about?

potato vodka is a name for vodka made from potatoes..

Cant believe the irish didnt work that one out !!

The English version chase has won best spirit awards all over the world

Vodka is a Name, mystir.  It's not a trademark idenifier of a spirit made of potatoes.  Coffee is coffee.  Nescafe is a Name.  You call potato spirits Vodka.... others call it Poitín and others call it Sake (sake too can be made from potatoes.

no no not all- its all the distilling process.

poitin can also be made from anything- its basically moonshine.. cabbage, potatoes whatever.

vodka uses a very specific process

  
   I'm waiting Fly.

Irish aren't fussy about processes as long as it's drink. The idea was that we like potato Vodka?... I say that's a very complex way to get drunk for an Irish man. He'll take any route.

I cant believe I am telling you this SR as you are an irishman- But poitin doesnt refer to potatoes- It refers to 'little pot'

Submachine wrote:Germany
Ireland
Africa
England

In that order make up the largest % ancestry of the American population so plenty of opportunity to trawl through failed NFL players for Stu and Joe.
Also I wonder why I've heard the terms Irish American and African American but never German American or English American. You really have so much in common (not least DNA).

Being "German" anything became very unpopular due to the first world war. Hence the Germanic Royal family changed their name.
The English are universally unpopular - so few admit to their English heritage. If Hollywood want a villain it's a fair bet the part will be given to someone with a British accent.

ME-109 wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:vodka can be made from potatoes.

Vodka is Vodka and Poitín is Poitín. If the Irish drink drunk potatoes, that's Poitín.  If the Russians, and smart dressed Europeans and other worldly types drink potatoes with alcohol in them - that's maybe Vodka...if they want to call it that.

what are you talking about?

potato vodka is a name for vodka made from potatoes..

Cant believe the irish didnt work that one out !!

The English version chase has won best spirit awards all over the world

Vodka is a Name, mystir.  It's not a trademark idenifier of a spirit made of potatoes.  Coffee is coffee.  Nescafe is a Name.  You call potato spirits Vodka.... others call it Poitín and others call it Sake (sake too can be made from potatoes.

no no not all- its all the distilling process.

poitin can also be made from anything- its basically moonshine.. cabbage, potatoes whatever.

vodka uses a very specific process

  
   I'm waiting Fly.

you just go from slightly stupid to incredibly stupid all the time dont you

mystiroakey wrote:I cant believe I am telling you this SR as you are an irishman- But poitin doesnt refer to potatoes- It refers to 'little pot'

??? I know more about poitin than Wiki mystir. I think my Grandmother used to make it

nobbled wrote:

Submachine wrote:Germany
Ireland
Africa
England

In that order make up the largest % ancestry of the American population so plenty of opportunity to trawl through failed NFL players for Stu and Joe.
Also I wonder why I've heard the terms Irish American and African American but never German American or English American. You really have so much in common (not least DNA).

Being "German" anything became very unpopular due to the first world war. Hence the Germanic Royal family changed their name.
The English are universally unpopular - so few admit to their English heritage. If Hollywood want a villain it's a fair bet the part will be given to someone with a British accent.

Not a Welsh accent, I'll wager

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:I cant believe I am telling you this SR as you are an irishman- But poitin doesnt refer to potatoes- It refers to 'little pot'

???  I know more about poitin than Wiki mystir.  I think my Grandmother used to make it

So why on earth do you think potato vodka is poitin then ..

are you actually for real?

Potato vodka is potato vodka due to the way it is distilled . potato sake is distilled in a completely different way as well. They are not the same things

putin is an irish process of making homemade feick yourmind up alcohal which can be made from anything and everything

Someone wants a villain and he's English?

That's a pretty ancient idea at this point.  The Americans have a love-affair going with the English - but...well, Pierce losing his job might be the beginning of a backlash from the mid-western natives.  Afterall, they are getting to feel that nothing is sacred no more.

Batman was English
Spiderman was English
Most 'Americans' in movies now are British doing the accents.

It's gotta stop!!  It'll be the Boston Tea Party all over again.

mystiroakey wrote:

ME-109 wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:vodka can be made from potatoes.

Vodka is Vodka and Poitín is Poitín. If the Irish drink drunk potatoes, that's Poitín.  If the Russians, and smart dressed Europeans and other worldly types drink potatoes with alcohol in them - that's maybe Vodka...if they want to call it that.

what are you talking about?

potato vodka is a name for vodka made from potatoes..

Cant believe the irish didnt work that one out !!

The English version chase has won best spirit awards all over the world

Vodka is a Name, mystir.  It's not a trademark idenifier of a spirit made of potatoes.  Coffee is coffee.  Nescafe is a Name.  You call potato spirits Vodka.... others call it Poitín and others call it Sake (sake too can be made from potatoes.

no no not all- its all the distilling process.

poitin can also be made from anything- its basically moonshine.. cabbage, potatoes whatever.

vodka uses a very specific process

  
   I'm waiting Fly.

you just go from slightly stupid to incredibly stupid all the time dont you

Still a long way to go to your level taking that scale...

mystiroakey wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:I cant believe I am telling you this SR as you are an irishman- But poitin doesnt refer to potatoes- It refers to 'little pot'

???  I know more about poitin than Wiki mystir.  I think my Grandmother used to make it

So why on earth do you think potato vodka is poitin then ..

are you actually for real?

Potato vodka is potato vodka due to the way it is distilled . potato sake is distilled in a completely different way as well. They are not the same things

putin is an irish process of making homemade feick yourmind up alcohal which can be made from anything and everything

I'm gonna say because Fly is a nice guy and wants to keep the thread light hearted and amiable. Calling you out on being a dick by making potato referces to Irish people is not his style. Clear?

mystiroakey wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:I cant believe I am telling you this SR as you are an irishman- But poitin doesnt refer to potatoes- It refers to 'little pot'

???  I know more about poitin than Wiki mystir.  I think my Grandmother used to make it

So why on earth do you think potato vodka is poitin then ..

are you actually for real?

Potato vodka is potato vodka due to the way it is distilled . potato sake is distilled in a completely different way as well. They are not the same things

putin is an irish process of making homemade feick yourmind up alcohal which can be made from anything and everything

Mystir, mystir, mystir............... the taunt was about Irish people drinking Potato Vodka.  Keep with me here now.  I say why would Irish people have to drink Potato Vodka for the sake of a cliche about spuds and alcohol as they both relate to Ireland?  Why would we have to think Vodka?  So I said - nope, if you want to do the racial stereotyping, stick to the full on cliche...call it Poitín.  

Now, that's the spirit!

SecretFly wrote:Someone wants a villain and he's English?

That's a pretty ancient idea at this point.  The Americans have a love-affair going with the English - but...well, Pierce losing his job might be the beginning of a backlash from the mid-western natives.  Afterall, they are getting to feel that nothing is sacred no more.

Batman was English
Spiderman was English
Most 'Americans' in movies now are British doing the accents.

It's gotta stop!!  It'll be the Boston Tea Party all over again.

Hollywood villians are always from the last place the US went to war with.

germany->Russia->Arabs/Muslims etc. Not that many English villans. Though lots of top shows seem to have a token english person for some reason.

Friends, Mad Men, Suits etc.

Yeah it was a joke and not supposed to be taken seriously SF. ITs just something that seems to happen when ME gets involved..

 Audience interest.  English market a big one.  Rather like the argument about HEC....

OOPS!!  Let's not go there.  Sorry for bringing it up guys.

SecretFly wrote:Someone wants a villain and he's English?

That's a pretty ancient idea at this point.  The Americans have a love-affair going with the English - but...well, Pierce losing his job might be the beginning of a backlash from the mid-western natives.  Afterall, they are getting to feel that nothing is sacred no more.

Batman was English
Spiderman was English
Most 'Americans' in movies now are British doing the accents.

It's gotta stop!!  It'll be the Boston Tea Party all over again.

Well actually batman was welsh...but the guy who beat him up even though he had dodgy knees was English though. Talk about stereotyping.

mystiroakey wrote:Yeah it was a joke and not supposed to be taken seriously SF. ITs just something that seems to happen when ME gets involved..

ME is from Cork. Everyone there takes themselves too seriously.

GunsGerms wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:Yeah it was a joke and not supposed to be taken seriously SF. ITs just something that seems to happen when ME gets involved..

ME is from Cork. Everyone there takes themselves too seriously.

Except for Roy Keane.

rodders wrote:

SecretFly wrote:Someone wants a villain and he's English?

That's a pretty ancient idea at this point.  The Americans have a love-affair going with the English - but...well, Pierce losing his job might be the beginning of a backlash from the mid-western natives.  Afterall, they are getting to feel that nothing is sacred no more.

Batman was English
Spiderman was English
Most 'Americans' in movies now are British doing the accents.

It's gotta stop!!  It'll be the Boston Tea Party all over again.

Well actually batman was welsh...but the guy who beat him up even though he had dodgy knees was English though.  Talk about stereotyping.

No Bale is english/welsh. A proper brit as you may say. But he does  when asked(as these flipping yanks have to know what your heritage is!!!) identifies with his english side

rodders wrote:

GunsGerms wrote:

mystiroakey wrote:Yeah it was a joke and not supposed to be taken seriously SF. ITs just something that seems to happen when ME gets involved..

ME is from Cork. Everyone there takes themselves too seriously.

Except for Roy Keane.

I was just amused at Tarquins reference to Potatoes and Vodka....was just trying to help him in his education..