Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[mystiroakey]

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Oh you are SAF? or a Glazier?

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Malky is nailed on. Shame, hes not that good and it will end in tears.

For all Lambert did at Norwich, theres nowt to suggest he'd have ever taken you on further and hes had better players available at Villa and made them a very odd side. He's a manager i'd love to have with a Director of Football above him, someone with some discipline and nous in the market. I honestly think second season syndrome would have hit and Lambert would have sent you back down.

Lambert would've kept us up, last year there were some properly properly awful teams.

I'd be willing to give Malky a go, but like you I have serious reservations about him.

It'll be Lennon, I am 100% certain on that (if/when Hughton gets the chop)

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Malky is nailed on. Shame, hes not that good and it will end in tears.

For all Lambert did at Norwich, theres nowt to suggest he'd have ever taken you on further and hes had better players available at Villa and made them a very odd side. He's a manager i'd love to have with a Director of Football above him, someone with some discipline and nous in the market. I honestly think second season syndrome would have hit and Lambert would have sent you back down.

I don't get why you think Malky isn't a good manager. Since he left Cardiff have just slipped more and more down the table.

His record is brilliant.

1st season, play offs as well as losing in the capital one cup final on penalty's to liverpool. They also lost to West Ham, a side with the squad they had shouldn't of even of been in the play offs.

2nd season, won the league with ease. As well as puling of some great signings.

Premiership, all was fine, beat Swansea at home as well. Great manager.

Norwich would be perfect for him.

I dont get why you think Harry Redknapp performed faultlessly as QPR went down.

A great manager? They outspent the league and won it in possibly the worst standard Championship season ive seen. Entertaining yes, but there was barely a good side in there.

Theyve come up, played awful football and spent money poorly. He threw money around in an awful way, was slipping down the table and his side have unsurprisingly found their true position after a couple lucky big game wins. Solskjaer is fire fighting his mess, which weirdly Redknapp got all the credit in the world for in your eyes but Hughes was the problem at QPR. Reverse the formula and you just pick the name you like and ignore the situation

More importantly, hes done nothing better than Hughton in his career and is more prone to defensive play than Chrissy boy. If he were replacing a Holloway and coming in to add defensive steel then sure, but hes got nothing to offer that Hughton hasnt and has done nothing to prove he can cope in this league

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Oh god, the bloody Shawcross thing again. Arsenal fans and Ryan Shawcross

[Fernando]

It's not Shawcross today it's Charlie Adam. I really don't get why we hate Stoke you play what works for you far as the Shawcross incident goes it was an accident move the Frak on dammit.

The only thing that irritates me is the Stoke fans cheering on the 67th min to mock Ramsey breaking his leg, That's really poor from Stoke fans.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

It's not Shawcross today it's Charlie Adam. I really don't get why we hate Stoke it was an accident move the Frak on dammit.

Exactly Nando

And Stoke City belong in the Premiership just as much as anyone else does

[socal1976]

Stoke are dirty, they deserve to be in the premiership because they haven't been relegated. I for one though won't miss them when they get sent down eventually.

[Stella]

Adam deliberately stamped on Giroud. Should get a 3-4 game ban at least.

[socal1976]

And Nzonzi said: "We know that Arsenal are a very technical team that play good football, and when you start kicking them a little bit, it gets a little bit harder for them.

"They don't like that, we know that."

http://au.eurosport.com/football/premier-league/2012-2013/nzonzi-defends-stoke-s-physical-approach_sto4159003/story.shtml

This reflects what Stoke are as a club, just pure trash. And their fans who cheer at the 67th minute because that is when Aaron Ramsey's leg got broken are trash as well. Sorry, Ramsey doesn't owe you forgiveness, he is the one the one had is leg sawed in half and you boo him. He doesn't have to be Shawcross' pal. And the fact that the most memorable moment in your club's recent history is when you broke the leg and almost ended the career of one of the most gifted British prospects in years is your defining moment proves everything I have been saying. No wonder England doesn't win major trophies, while the rest of the footballing world protects and nurtures technical players English fans defend and protect the players who kick their opposition into submission.

Let me be clear, Stoke played a great match. Deserved to win. Arsenal were shiit. I won't even complain about the harsh penalty because if you can't score on that awful Stoke side in regular play you don't deserve the point. But that doesn't change my opinion of Stoke, they are garbage, their fans are garbage feeling like they are owed something by Ramsey, and people who defend them should wise up. This is why England doesn't produce the kind of players like Zidane, Xavi, Iniesta, Baggio, Del Piero; because they prefer the players that kick their opponents to death.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I'd imagine their FA Cup final and European trips are far more defining.

Teams all over the world play with the rules, a kick or two merely falls into that.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Yeah pretty much what Dolph said, as much as you'd like to think their world revolves around Arsenal, getting into Europe and a cup final was much better for them unsurprisingly.

I agree booing Ramsey is silly, but its Stoke their fans are hardly the bastion of intelligence.

Just cos Arsenal can't handle being roughed up a little doesn't mean that's the reason England haven't produced a Xavi. That's just bonkers logic

[Champagne_Socialist]

I'd imagine their FA Cup final and European trips are far more defining.

Teams all over the world play with the rules, a kick or two merely falls into that.

you understand a 'kick' is against the rules, you can't go around kicking people and far worse you can't go into the game with a pre-meditated plan that you will kick the other team, disgusting attitude.

[CFCNick]

There are different types of kick CS.

I'm not condoning big swinging kicks but the game will lose a lot if a the little knocks in close tackles and goalmouth scrambles are ruled illegal. Kicks are fine just as long as the kicker isn't aiming a massive swing at the other player.

Ruling kicks under one umbrella is stupid and thinking that way will turn the game into a non contact sport.

Hey Arsenal! Go home and put on your daddy's shoes. This is a man's game!

[Champagne_Socialist]

There are different types of kick CS.

I'm not condoning big swinging kicks but the game will lose a lot if a the little knocks in close tackles and goalmouth scrambles are ruled illegal. Kicks are fine just as long as the kicker isn't aiming a massive swing at the other player.

Ruling kicks under one umbrella is stupid and thinking that way will turn the game into a non contact sport.

Hey Arsenal! Go home and put on your daddy's shoes. This is a man's game!

but any contact made by the foot of one player against the body of another player is a foul, a kick of any kind is contact by the foot of the kicking player against the body of the fouled player so a kick is against the rules.

[socal1976]

I'd imagine their FA Cup final and European trips are far more defining.

Teams all over the world play with the rules, a kick or two merely falls into that.

you understand a 'kick' is against the rules, you can't go around kicking people and far worse you can't go into the game with a pre-meditated plan that you will kick the other team, disgusting attitude.

Exactly CS, kicking your opponent is against the rules and going into the match with the idea that hey our opponents are technical players and don't like to get kicked so lets kick them is pretty much revolting. I am sorry, I call a spade a spade regardless of how unpopular that opinion makes me. Kicking and stomping your opposition to get a result is disgusting. Clough is regarded as legend in this country rightly because he took provincial nobodies to league titles and the European cup. Why? because he liked clean football, technical football, and didn't stand for the kick your opponents to a result attitude. Everyone here who speaks up for Charlie Adam and Shawcross are basically proves my point, the dirtier you are as a player the more some English football fans will defend your actions. Really easy to talk tough from behind your keyboard, after all you aren't the one getting your leg snapped.

[hampo17]

SoCal, no idea why you brought up the Shawcross incident, that was nothing more than an accident and only the Arsenal fans didn't see it that way. If he meant to break his leg then I doubt he would have been pictured in tears moments after he'd done it. Shawcross used to play in the same league as me when we where kids, I can't remember him once ever injuring a player or deliberately hurting anyone so I can't imagine he did Ramsey on purpose.
 
You brand the Stoke fans as trash, so because a number of them cheer the 67th minute, that makes all of the trash? Really? I would imagine Arsenal fans have done some pretty stupid, and distasteful things during their time, does that make all Arsenal fans trash?
 
The Charlie Adam incident was stupid, and there was no need for it. Let's be honest, it wasn't as if he did it so Giroud wouldn't score is it But let's remember it's a mans game yeah, I don't want to see contact taken completely out of football as that would be one of the most boring sports to watch ever, even more boring than Curling.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I'd imagine their FA Cup final and European trips are far more defining.

Teams all over the world play with the rules, a kick or two merely falls into that.

you understand a 'kick' is against the rules, you can't go around kicking people and far worse you can't go into the game with a pre-meditated plan that you will kick the other team, disgusting attitude.

Id imagine as I made it pretty clear that kicking was part of them playing with the rules that I understand it very clear. Welcome to the facts of life, people bend and break rules.

[Duty281]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

[socal1976]

SoCal, no idea why you brought up the Shawcross incident, that was nothing more than an accident and only the Arsenal fans didn't see it that way. If he meant to break his leg then I doubt he would have been pictured in tears moments after he'd done it. Shawcross used to play in the same league as me when we where kids, I can't remember him once ever injuring a player or deliberately hurting anyone so I can't imagine he did Ramsey on purpose.
 
You brand the Stoke fans as trash, so because a number of them cheer the 67th minute, that makes all of the trash? Really? I would imagine Arsenal fans have done some pretty stupid, and distasteful things during their time, does that make all Arsenal fans trash?
 
The Charlie Adam incident was stupid, and there was no need for it. Let's be honest, it wasn't as if he did it so Giroud wouldn't score is it ;)But let's remember it's a mans game yeah, I don't want to see contact taken completely out of football as that would be one of the most boring sports to watch ever, even more boring than Curling.

Sorry, I have never watched a football match to watch one team kick another into submission. Does that make me weak? I watch football for the pele, maradonna, Zidane, Cruyff; I don't watch it for Stoke city. Yes people who cheer in mass at the 67th minute where Shawcross broke Ramsey's leg are pure garbage. I don't mind saying it. Thanks for proving my point, you guys love the leg breakers and the players that are dirty over the technical players.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

[Champagne_Socialist]

I'd imagine their FA Cup final and European trips are far more defining.

Teams all over the world play with the rules, a kick or two merely falls into that.

you understand a 'kick' is against the rules, you can't go around kicking people and far worse you can't go into the game with a pre-meditated plan that you will kick the other team, disgusting attitude.

Id imagine as I made it pretty clear that kicking was part of them playing with the rules that I understand it very clear. Welcome to the facts of life, people bend and break rules.

kicking is against the rules, any contact by the foot against the opposing players body is a foul.

[socal1976]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I love all the internet tough guys we have on this site. A stoke player says flat out we want to kick Arsenal, ie break the rules and hurt them. Then the typical internet tough guy comes in here talking about how this is a man's game. I wonder how they would have liked to get stomped on off the ball like Giroud? I am sure they would have been Ok with it because that is how tough they tell us they are.

[hampo17]

SoCal, no idea why you brought up the Shawcross incident, that was nothing more than an accident and only the Arsenal fans didn't see it that way. If he meant to break his leg then I doubt he would have been pictured in tears moments after he'd done it. Shawcross used to play in the same league as me when we where kids, I can't remember him once ever injuring a player or deliberately hurting anyone so I can't imagine he did Ramsey on purpose.
 
You brand the Stoke fans as trash, so because a number of them cheer the 67th minute, that makes all of the trash? Really? I would imagine Arsenal fans have done some pretty stupid, and distasteful things during their time, does that make all Arsenal fans trash?
 
The Charlie Adam incident was stupid, and there was no need for it. Let's be honest, it wasn't as if he did it so Giroud wouldn't score is it ;)But let's remember it's a mans game yeah, I don't want to see contact taken completely out of football as that would be one of the most boring sports to watch ever, even more boring than Curling.

Sorry, I have never watched a football match to watch one team kick another into submission. Does that make me weak? I watch football for the pele, maradonna, Zidane, Cruyff; I don't watch it for Stoke city. Yes people who cheer in mass at the 67th minute where Shawcross broke Ramsey's leg are pure garbage. I don't mind saying it. Thanks for proving my point, you guys love the leg breakers and the players that are dirty over the technical players.

I'm sorry where have I said that English fans love a leg breaker? Please show me because I don't remember saying that. I said it was an accident, and Arsenal fans are still acting as if it was a deliberate act of assault. Your players have hardly been the cleanest players over the years have they, Keown, Viera, Flamini are all dirty players off the top my head. I can still remember Keown giving RVN a smack around the head after he missed a penalty, drop the holier than tho attitude, it's boring.

[Duty281]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I'm telling a football team to man up; after all, it's a man game.

Exactly why I don't play it.

[Stella]

Most people prefer to watch Barca or Arsenal to Stoke, but different teams have different needs. Stoke, under Pulis and now Hughes know they have to rough it up a bit. Arsenal, like Utd and Chelsea have done, need to deal with it.

I'm not for stamping, ala Adam, but nowt wrong with some crunching tackles.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I love all the internet tough guys we have on this site. A stoke player says flat out we want to kick Arsenal, ie break the rules and hurt them. Then the typical internet tough guy comes in here talking about how this is a man's game. I wonder how they would have liked to get stomped on off the ball like Giroud? I am sure they would have been Ok with it because that is how tough they tell us they are.

exactly, I wonder how many of these posters would be happy playing in a game of football where the other team is going into the game with the intention of kicking them.

[Duty281]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I love all the internet tough guys we have on this site. A stoke player says flat out we want to kick Arsenal, ie break the rules and hurt them. Then the typical internet tough guy comes in here talking about how this is a man's game. I wonder how they would have liked to get stomped on off the ball like Giroud? I am sure they would have been Ok with it because that is how tough they tell us they are.

Good lord man, it's not hard.

Someone kicks you, you give 'em a kick/elbow back. Done. Don't show any weakness or sign of pain.

Source for that? Going to a rough secondary school, and being the only guy with a Shania Twain ringtone. You soon learn to defend yourself. Useful for life and football.

[hampo17]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I love all the internet tough guys we have on this site. A stoke player says flat out we want to kick Arsenal, ie break the rules and hurt them. Then the typical internet tough guy comes in here talking about how this is a man's game. I wonder how they would have liked to get stomped on off the ball like Giroud? I am sure they would have been Ok with it because that is how tough they tell us they are.

exactly, I wonder how many of these posters would be happy playing in a game of football where the other team is going into the game with the intention of kicking them.

Most Sunday league games involve exactly that, both teams trying to kick each other. Quite fun to play in as well.

[CFCNick]

There are different types of kick CS.

I'm not condoning big swinging kicks but the game will lose a lot if a the little knocks in close tackles and goalmouth scrambles are ruled illegal. Kicks are fine just as long as the kicker isn't aiming a massive swing at the other player.

Ruling kicks under one umbrella is stupid and thinking that way will turn the game into a non contact sport.

Hey Arsenal! Go home and put on your daddy's shoes. This is a man's game!

but any contact made by the foot of one player against the body of another player is a foul, a kick of any kind is contact by the foot of the kicking player against the body of the fouled player so a kick is against the rules.

It's a contact sport! You know when sometimes someone runs by a player or a bunch and he might get a stray leg and carry on his way. It's not a kick in the sense of the preconceived motion of a kick but it's still a kick, a fair kick. Also in goalmouth scrambles you should expect a bruised shin otherwise you're not trying hard enough. Plus the knocks a player gets holding the ball by the corner flag. All examples of kicks you might get that are part of the game and are fair.

I know kicking is wrong. But not the type of kicking I mention above.

[Stella]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I love all the internet tough guys we have on this site. A stoke player says flat out we want to kick Arsenal, ie break the rules and hurt them. Then the typical internet tough guy comes in here talking about how this is a man's game. I wonder how they would have liked to get stomped on off the ball like Giroud? I am sure they would have been Ok with it because that is how tough they tell us they are.

exactly, I wonder how many of these posters would be happy playing in a game of football where the other team is going into the game with the intention of kicking them.

Most Sunday league games involve exactly that, both teams trying to kick each other. Quite fun to play in as well.

Sunday morning Football. Now there is a contact sport. I call it a sport................

[socal1976]

SoCal, no idea why you brought up the Shawcross incident, that was nothing more than an accident and only the Arsenal fans didn't see it that way. If he meant to break his leg then I doubt he would have been pictured in tears moments after he'd done it. Shawcross used to play in the same league as me when we where kids, I can't remember him once ever injuring a player or deliberately hurting anyone so I can't imagine he did Ramsey on purpose.
 
You brand the Stoke fans as trash, so because a number of them cheer the 67th minute, that makes all of the trash? Really? I would imagine Arsenal fans have done some pretty stupid, and distasteful things during their time, does that make all Arsenal fans trash?
 
The Charlie Adam incident was stupid, and there was no need for it. Let's be honest, it wasn't as if he did it so Giroud wouldn't score is it ;)But let's remember it's a mans game yeah, I don't want to see contact taken completely out of football as that would be one of the most boring sports to watch ever, even more boring than Curling.

Sorry, I have never watched a football match to watch one team kick another into submission. Does that make me weak? I watch football for the pele, maradonna, Zidane, Cruyff; I don't watch it for Stoke city. Yes people who cheer in mass at the 67th minute where Shawcross broke Ramsey's leg are pure garbage. I don't mind saying it. Thanks for proving my point, you guys love the leg breakers and the players that are dirty over the technical players.

I'm sorry where have I said that English fans love a leg breaker? Please show me because I don't remember saying that. I said it was an accident, and Arsenal fans are still acting as if it was a deliberate act of assault. Your players have hardly been the cleanest players over the years have they, Keown, Viera, Flamini are all dirty players off the top my head. I can still remember Keown giving RVN a smack around the head after he missed a penalty, drop the holier than tho attitude, it's boring.

So let me ask you a question why is it you find my comments offensive but not the Stoke player who says flat out we want to cheat and kick our opponents? You like the dirty players that is why you defend them and don't condemn the remarks I quoted.

[Duty281]

It's easy to tell you're not English, Socal.

[CFCNick]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I love all the internet tough guys we have on this site. A stoke player says flat out we want to kick Arsenal, ie break the rules and hurt them. Then the typical internet tough guy comes in here talking about how this is a man's game. I wonder how they would have liked to get stomped on off the ball like Giroud? I am sure they would have been Ok with it because that is how tough they tell us they are.

Socal - you've obviously never played football in England. It's how we play. Get rough. Let the guy you're marking know you're there. Leave a mark on him. Make him think twice before running at you again.

[socal1976]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I love all the internet tough guys we have on this site. A stoke player says flat out we want to kick Arsenal, ie break the rules and hurt them. Then the typical internet tough guy comes in here talking about how this is a man's game. I wonder how they would have liked to get stomped on off the ball like Giroud? I am sure they would have been Ok with it because that is how tough they tell us they are.

exactly, I wonder how many of these posters would be happy playing in a game of football where the other team is going into the game with the intention of kicking them.

They wouldn't be happy at all CS. I have found that internet posters are all really tough posting from their mother's basement. I like a fair, clean tackle as much as the next man. But Stoke are dirty, their players are flat out stating it in the media and telling people we are going to cheat. And the reason they feel comfortable in this tactic is because they know that officials will let them and the fans and media will defend them.

[hampo17]

SoCal, no idea why you brought up the Shawcross incident, that was nothing more than an accident and only the Arsenal fans didn't see it that way. If he meant to break his leg then I doubt he would have been pictured in tears moments after he'd done it. Shawcross used to play in the same league as me when we where kids, I can't remember him once ever injuring a player or deliberately hurting anyone so I can't imagine he did Ramsey on purpose.
 
You brand the Stoke fans as trash, so because a number of them cheer the 67th minute, that makes all of the trash? Really? I would imagine Arsenal fans have done some pretty stupid, and distasteful things during their time, does that make all Arsenal fans trash?
 
The Charlie Adam incident was stupid, and there was no need for it. Let's be honest, it wasn't as if he did it so Giroud wouldn't score is it ;)But let's remember it's a mans game yeah, I don't want to see contact taken completely out of football as that would be one of the most boring sports to watch ever, even more boring than Curling.

I don't find your comments offensive at all, and once again I haven't said I do. I find your comments regarding the Shawcross incident blinkered and biased. The Stoke player saying they'll kick opponents, a stupid thing to say but everybody who watches a game knows that the lesser skilled guys will use little tricks to their advantage, you know, leaving their foot in during a tackle or an elbow to the ribs at a set piece, it happens and has done for years this is nothing new.

If you showed an unbiased, reasonable viewpoint then most on here wouldn't argue with you everytime you post. But when it comes to Arsenal you spout consistent rubbish, your corrupt referees argument was a complete joke for example.

Sorry, I have never watched a football match to watch one team kick another into submission. Does that make me weak? I watch football for the pele, maradonna, Zidane, Cruyff; I don't watch it for Stoke city. Yes people who cheer in mass at the 67th minute where Shawcross broke Ramsey's leg are pure garbage. I don't mind saying it. Thanks for proving my point, you guys love the leg breakers and the players that are dirty over the technical players.

I'm sorry where have I said that English fans love a leg breaker? Please show me because I don't remember saying that. I said it was an accident, and Arsenal fans are still acting as if it was a deliberate act of assault. Your players have hardly been the cleanest players over the years have they, Keown, Viera, Flamini are all dirty players off the top my head. I can still remember Keown giving RVN a smack around the head after he missed a penalty, drop the holier than tho attitude, it's boring.

So let me ask you a question why is it you find my comments offensive but not the Stoke player who says flat out we want to cheat and kick our opponents? You like the dirty players that is why you defend them and don't condemn the remarks I quoted.

Once again can you direct me to where I said your comments offend me? I find them blinkered and biased, and they sound as if they've come direct from an Arsenal fans forum.

[Duty281]

Do I qualify as one of these internet tough guys, Socal?

If so then I feel that I should point out that I'm posting from my bedroom, not my mother's basement. I don't think my mother even has a basement, in truth.

[Stella]

Arsenal were as rough as any team a few years ago. That team would have dealt with Stoke, no doubt.

[socal1976]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I love all the internet tough guys we have on this site. A stoke player says flat out we want to kick Arsenal, ie break the rules and hurt them. Then the typical internet tough guy comes in here talking about how this is a man's game. I wonder how they would have liked to get stomped on off the ball like Giroud? I am sure they would have been Ok with it because that is how tough they tell us they are.

Socal - you've obviously never played football in England. It's how we play. Get rough. Let the guy you're marking know you're there. Leave a mark on him. Make him think twice before running at you again.

This post proves exactly why England will never produce a Zidane, ever.

[Champagne_Socialist]

There are different types of kick CS.

I'm not condoning big swinging kicks but the game will lose a lot if a the little knocks in close tackles and goalmouth scrambles are ruled illegal. Kicks are fine just as long as the kicker isn't aiming a massive swing at the other player.

Ruling kicks under one umbrella is stupid and thinking that way will turn the game into a non contact sport.

Hey Arsenal! Go home and put on your daddy's shoes. This is a man's game!

but any contact made by the foot of one player against the body of another player is a foul, a kick of any kind is contact by the foot of the kicking player against the body of the fouled player so a kick is against the rules.

It's a contact sport! You know when sometimes someone runs by a player or a bunch and he might get a stray leg and carry on his way. It's not a kick in the sense of the preconceived motion of a kick but it's still a kick, a fair kick. Also in goalmouth scrambles you should expect a bruised shin otherwise you're not trying hard enough. Plus the knocks a player gets holding the ball by the corner flag. All examples of kicks you might get that are part of the game and are fair.

I know kicking is wrong. But not the type of kicking I mention above.

what you described was a foul, if player A runs past player B and player B catches player A with a stray leg that is a foul, if player A carries on with his run an advantage may be played.

[CFCNick]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I love all the internet tough guys we have on this site. A stoke player says flat out we want to kick Arsenal, ie break the rules and hurt them. Then the typical internet tough guy comes in here talking about how this is a man's game. I wonder how they would have liked to get stomped on off the ball like Giroud? I am sure they would have been Ok with it because that is how tough they tell us they are.

exactly, I wonder how many of these posters would be happy playing in a game of football where the other team is going into the game with the intention of kicking them.

They wouldn't be happy at all CS. I have found that internet posters are all really tough posting from their mother's basement. I like a fair, clean tackle as much as the next man. But Stoke are dirty, their players are flat out stating it in the media and telling people we are going to cheat. And the reason they feel comfortable in this tactic is because they know that officials will let them and the fans and media will defend them.

I imagine you and CS are the types to appeal to the ref over every little knock. You wouldn't last with that clean tackle attitude. In the 6-a-side league I play in nobody goes out with the intention of injuring each other but it's expected that we all go hard with each other during games. I play as a defender and every striker I mark we end up grabbing, pulling, elbowing and even have a dig at each others ribs. It's all give and take and all friendly afterwards. You earn each other's respect that way.

[Duty281]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I love all the internet tough guys we have on this site. A stoke player says flat out we want to kick Arsenal, ie break the rules and hurt them. Then the typical internet tough guy comes in here talking about how this is a man's game. I wonder how they would have liked to get stomped on off the ball like Giroud? I am sure they would have been Ok with it because that is how tough they tell us they are.

Socal - you've obviously never played football in England. It's how we play. Get rough. Let the guy you're marking know you're there. Leave a mark on him. Make him think twice before running at you again.

This post proves exactly why England will never produce a Zidane, ever.

Haha, didn't Zidane headbutt that Italian once in the World Cup final?

Sounds exactly like the sort of player England would produce!

[Stella]

Zidane also stamped on an opponent during the 98 world cup, and got a two game ban.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I love all the internet tough guys we have on this site. A stoke player says flat out we want to kick Arsenal, ie break the rules and hurt them. Then the typical internet tough guy comes in here talking about how this is a man's game. I wonder how they would have liked to get stomped on off the ball like Giroud? I am sure they would have been Ok with it because that is how tough they tell us they are.

exactly, I wonder how many of these posters would be happy playing in a game of football where the other team is going into the game with the intention of kicking them.

They wouldn't be happy at all CS. I have found that internet posters are all really tough posting from their mother's basement. I like a fair, clean tackle as much as the next man. But Stoke are dirty, their players are flat out stating it in the media and telling people we are going to cheat. And the reason they feel comfortable in this tactic is because they know that officials will let them and the fans and media will defend them.

I imagine you and CS are the types to appeal to the ref over every little knock. You wouldn't last with that clean tackle attitude. In the 6-a-side league I play in nobody goes out with the intention of injuring each other but it's expected that we all go hard with each other during games. I play as a defender and every striker I mark we end up grabbing, pulling, elbowing and even have a dig at each others ribs. It's all give and take and all friendly afterwards. You earn each other's respect that way.

No one is earning my respect if they elbow me during a game.

Anyway what you are describing is your own fantasy of what you think the rules of professional football should be, not what they actually are. Any grabbing, pulling, elbowing or having 'digs' at people's ribs is a foul and some of those fouls are red card material in the professional game.

[CFCNick]

There are different types of kick CS.

I'm not condoning big swinging kicks but the game will lose a lot if a the little knocks in close tackles and goalmouth scrambles are ruled illegal. Kicks are fine just as long as the kicker isn't aiming a massive swing at the other player.

Ruling kicks under one umbrella is stupid and thinking that way will turn the game into a non contact sport.

Hey Arsenal! Go home and put on your daddy's shoes. This is a man's game!

but any contact made by the foot of one player against the body of another player is a foul, a kick of any kind is contact by the foot of the kicking player against the body of the fouled player so a kick is against the rules.

It's a contact sport! You know when sometimes someone runs by a player or a bunch and he might get a stray leg and carry on his way. It's not a kick in the sense of the preconceived motion of a kick but it's still a kick, a fair kick. Also in goalmouth scrambles you should expect a bruised shin otherwise you're not trying hard enough. Plus the knocks a player gets holding the ball by the corner flag. All examples of kicks you might get that are part of the game and are fair.

I know kicking is wrong. But not the type of kicking I mention above.

what you described was a foul, if player A runs past player B and player B catches player A with a stray leg that is a foul, if player A carries on with his run an advantage may be played.

Are you the type to complain because the bloke in front of you has 11 items in the 10 items or less queue?

[hampo17]

And Maradona got kicked out of the World Cup for drugs, and blatently hand balled against England, exactly the type of player we should be producing SoCal

[socal1976]

SoCal, no idea why you brought up the Shawcross incident, that was nothing more than an accident and only the Arsenal fans didn't see it that way. If he meant to break his leg then I doubt he would have been pictured in tears moments after he'd done it. Shawcross used to play in the same league as me when we where kids, I can't remember him once ever injuring a player or deliberately hurting anyone so I can't imagine he did Ramsey on purpose.
 
You brand the Stoke fans as trash, so because a number of them cheer the 67th minute, that makes all of the trash? Really? I would imagine Arsenal fans have done some pretty stupid, and distasteful things during their time, does that make all Arsenal fans trash?
 
The Charlie Adam incident was stupid, and there was no need for it. Let's be honest, it wasn't as if he did it so Giroud wouldn't score is it ;)But let's remember it's a mans game yeah, I don't want to see contact taken completely out of football as that would be one of the most boring sports to watch ever, even more boring than Curling.

I don't find your comments offensive at all, and once again I haven't said I do. I find your comments regarding the Shawcross incident blinkered and biased. The Stoke player saying they'll kick opponents, a stupid thing to say but everybody who watches a game knows that the lesser skilled guys will use little tricks to their advantage, you know, leaving their foot in during a tackle or an elbow to the ribs at a set piece, it happens and has done for years this is nothing new.

If you showed an unbiased, reasonable viewpoint then most on here wouldn't argue with you everytime you post. But when it comes to Arsenal you spout consistent rubbish, your corrupt referees argument was a complete joke for example.

Sorry, I have never watched a football match to watch one team kick another into submission. Does that make me weak? I watch football for the pele, maradonna, Zidane, Cruyff; I don't watch it for Stoke city. Yes people who cheer in mass at the 67th minute where Shawcross broke Ramsey's leg are pure garbage. I don't mind saying it. Thanks for proving my point, you guys love the leg breakers and the players that are dirty over the technical players.

I'm sorry where have I said that English fans love a leg breaker? Please show me because I don't remember saying that. I said it was an accident, and Arsenal fans are still acting as if it was a deliberate act of assault. Your players have hardly been the cleanest players over the years have they, Keown, Viera, Flamini are all dirty players off the top my head. I can still remember Keown giving RVN a smack around the head after he missed a penalty, drop the holier than tho attitude, it's boring.

So let me ask you a question why is it you find my comments offensive but not the Stoke player who says flat out we want to cheat and kick our opponents? You like the dirty players that is why you defend them and don't condemn the remarks I quoted.

Once again can you direct me to where I said your comments offend me? I find them blinkered and biased, and they sound as if they've come direct from an Arsenal fans forum.

So do you agree with the Stoke player i quoted? Do you think that kicking your opponents is a valid tactic? Like i said you have no problem with his comments but seem to take exception with mine.

[Duty281]

C_S - If someone elbows you during a game, give them one back. No backing down. Or stand on their foot...accidentally, of course.

Then when it's all over, shake hands and have a drink together.

[CFCNick]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I love all the internet tough guys we have on this site. A stoke player says flat out we want to kick Arsenal, ie break the rules and hurt them. Then the typical internet tough guy comes in here talking about how this is a man's game. I wonder how they would have liked to get stomped on off the ball like Giroud? I am sure they would have been Ok with it because that is how tough they tell us they are.

exactly, I wonder how many of these posters would be happy playing in a game of football where the other team is going into the game with the intention of kicking them.

They wouldn't be happy at all CS. I have found that internet posters are all really tough posting from their mother's basement. I like a fair, clean tackle as much as the next man. But Stoke are dirty, their players are flat out stating it in the media and telling people we are going to cheat. And the reason they feel comfortable in this tactic is because they know that officials will let them and the fans and media will defend them.

I imagine you and CS are the types to appeal to the ref over every little knock. You wouldn't last with that clean tackle attitude. In the 6-a-side league I play in nobody goes out with the intention of injuring each other but it's expected that we all go hard with each other during games. I play as a defender and every striker I mark we end up grabbing, pulling, elbowing and even have a dig at each others ribs. It's all give and take and all friendly afterwards. You earn each other's respect that way.

No one is earning my respect if they elbow me during a game.

Anyway what you are describing is your own fantasy of what you think the rules of professional football should be, not what they actually are. Any grabbing, pulling, elbowing or having 'digs' at people's ribs is a foul and some of those fouls are red card material in the professional game.

It isn't a fantasy. It's how it is and I imagine it's like that in leagues all over the country. I'm not saying the professionals should play that way but you have to accept a bit of roughness. I said that to show the average mentality of people who play football in England.

And by dig at ribs I don't mean literally trying grab someone's rib out but just a little poke. Yeah poke is a better word than dig.

[socal1976]

And Maradona got kicked out of the World Cup for drugs, and blatently hand balled against England, exactly the type of player we should be producing SoCal

No you guys would never produce a maradonna precisely because you prefer Shawcross and Adam. Maradonna would have his leg snapped as a teenager playing in England and you guys would defend and feel sorry for the guy who broke his leg.

[hampo17]

SoCal, no idea why you brought up the Shawcross incident, that was nothing more than an accident and only the Arsenal fans didn't see it that way. If he meant to break his leg then I doubt he would have been pictured in tears moments after he'd done it. Shawcross used to play in the same league as me when we where kids, I can't remember him once ever injuring a player or deliberately hurting anyone so I can't imagine he did Ramsey on purpose.
 
You brand the Stoke fans as trash, so because a number of them cheer the 67th minute, that makes all of the trash? Really? I would imagine Arsenal fans have done some pretty stupid, and distasteful things during their time, does that make all Arsenal fans trash?
 
The Charlie Adam incident was stupid, and there was no need for it. Let's be honest, it wasn't as if he did it so Giroud wouldn't score is it ;)But let's remember it's a mans game yeah, I don't want to see contact taken completely out of football as that would be one of the most boring sports to watch ever, even more boring than Curling.

I don't find your comments offensive at all, and once again I haven't said I do. I find your comments regarding the Shawcross incident blinkered and biased. The Stoke player saying they'll kick opponents, a stupid thing to say but everybody who watches a game knows that the lesser skilled guys will use little tricks to their advantage, you know, leaving their foot in during a tackle or an elbow to the ribs at a set piece, it happens and has done for years this is nothing new.

If you showed an unbiased, reasonable viewpoint then most on here wouldn't argue with you everytime you post. But when it comes to Arsenal you spout consistent rubbish, your corrupt referees argument was a complete joke for example.

Sorry, I have never watched a football match to watch one team kick another into submission. Does that make me weak? I watch football for the pele, maradonna, Zidane, Cruyff; I don't watch it for Stoke city. Yes people who cheer in mass at the 67th minute where Shawcross broke Ramsey's leg are pure garbage. I don't mind saying it. Thanks for proving my point, you guys love the leg breakers and the players that are dirty over the technical players.

I'm sorry where have I said that English fans love a leg breaker? Please show me because I don't remember saying that. I said it was an accident, and Arsenal fans are still acting as if it was a deliberate act of assault. Your players have hardly been the cleanest players over the years have they, Keown, Viera, Flamini are all dirty players off the top my head. I can still remember Keown giving RVN a smack around the head after he missed a penalty, drop the holier than tho attitude, it's boring.

So let me ask you a question why is it you find my comments offensive but not the Stoke player who says flat out we want to cheat and kick our opponents? You like the dirty players that is why you defend them and don't condemn the remarks I quoted.

Once again can you direct me to where I said your comments offend me? I find them blinkered and biased, and they sound as if they've come direct from an Arsenal fans forum.

So do you agree with the Stoke player i quoted? Do you think that kicking your opponents is a valid tactic? Like i said you have no problem with his comments but seem to take exception with mine.

His comments are stupid, but that tactic is nothing new and is not only used in England. When smaller Spanish sides play Barcelona they often have little digs at Messi and co to try and slow them down, same with Real Madrid, Bayern Munich. Stop acting as if it's an English problem.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

SoCal, no idea why you brought up the Shawcross incident, that was nothing more than an accident and only the Arsenal fans didn't see it that way. If he meant to break his leg then I doubt he would have been pictured in tears moments after he'd done it. Shawcross used to play in the same league as me when we where kids, I can't remember him once ever injuring a player or deliberately hurting anyone so I can't imagine he did Ramsey on purpose.
 
You brand the Stoke fans as trash, so because a number of them cheer the 67th minute, that makes all of the trash? Really? I would imagine Arsenal fans have done some pretty stupid, and distasteful things during their time, does that make all Arsenal fans trash?
 
The Charlie Adam incident was stupid, and there was no need for it. Let's be honest, it wasn't as if he did it so Giroud wouldn't score is it ;)But let's remember it's a mans game yeah, I don't want to see contact taken completely out of football as that would be one of the most boring sports to watch ever, even more boring than Curling.

I don't find your comments offensive at all, and once again I haven't said I do. I find your comments regarding the Shawcross incident blinkered and biased. The Stoke player saying they'll kick opponents, a stupid thing to say but everybody who watches a game knows that the lesser skilled guys will use little tricks to their advantage, you know, leaving their foot in during a tackle or an elbow to the ribs at a set piece, it happens and has done for years this is nothing new.

If you showed an unbiased, reasonable viewpoint then most on here wouldn't argue with you everytime you post. But when it comes to Arsenal you spout consistent rubbish, your corrupt referees argument was a complete joke for example.

Sorry, I have never watched a football match to watch one team kick another into submission. Does that make me weak? I watch football for the pele, maradonna, Zidane, Cruyff; I don't watch it for Stoke city. Yes people who cheer in mass at the 67th minute where Shawcross broke Ramsey's leg are pure garbage. I don't mind saying it. Thanks for proving my point, you guys love the leg breakers and the players that are dirty over the technical players.

I'm sorry where have I said that English fans love a leg breaker? Please show me because I don't remember saying that. I said it was an accident, and Arsenal fans are still acting as if it was a deliberate act of assault. Your players have hardly been the cleanest players over the years have they, Keown, Viera, Flamini are all dirty players off the top my head. I can still remember Keown giving RVN a smack around the head after he missed a penalty, drop the holier than tho attitude, it's boring.

So let me ask you a question why is it you find my comments offensive but not the Stoke player who says flat out we want to cheat and kick our opponents? You like the dirty players that is why you defend them and don't condemn the remarks I quoted.

Once again can you direct me to where I said your comments offend me? I find them blinkered and biased, and they sound as if they've come direct from an Arsenal fans forum.

So do you agree with the Stoke player i quoted? Do you think that kicking your opponents is a valid tactic? Like i said you have no problem with his comments but seem to take exception with mine.

Of course its a valid tactic for Christ's sake, theres no right or wrong book on how to play football. And the tactic was validated by the result as well.

Same old Arsenal, can't handle it when the going gets tough. Probably why you'll go you're 9th season without a trophy, but its all OK cos you'll get your champions league berth and have a nice stadium

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