Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[mystiroakey]

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Oh you are SAF? or a Glazier?

[Duty281]

How did England ever produce Gazza then?

It's a mystery.

[Stella]

And Maradona got kicked out of the World Cup for drugs, and blatently hand balled against England, exactly the type of player we should be producing SoCal

No you guys would never produce a maradonna precisely because you prefer Shawcross and Adam. Maradonna would have his leg snapped as a teenager playing in England and you guys would defend and feel sorry for the guy who broke his leg.

Shawcross's incident was an accident from what I remember. They#d be plenty of abuse and resentment if he had done it on purpose.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I love all the internet tough guys we have on this site. A stoke player says flat out we want to kick Arsenal, ie break the rules and hurt them. Then the typical internet tough guy comes in here talking about how this is a man's game. I wonder how they would have liked to get stomped on off the ball like Giroud? I am sure they would have been Ok with it because that is how tough they tell us they are.

exactly, I wonder how many of these posters would be happy playing in a game of football where the other team is going into the game with the intention of kicking them.

They wouldn't be happy at all CS. I have found that internet posters are all really tough posting from their mother's basement. I like a fair, clean tackle as much as the next man. But Stoke are dirty, their players are flat out stating it in the media and telling people we are going to cheat. And the reason they feel comfortable in this tactic is because they know that officials will let them and the fans and media will defend them.

I imagine you and CS are the types to appeal to the ref over every little knock. You wouldn't last with that clean tackle attitude. In the 6-a-side league I play in nobody goes out with the intention of injuring each other but it's expected that we all go hard with each other during games. I play as a defender and every striker I mark we end up grabbing, pulling, elbowing and even have a dig at each others ribs. It's all give and take and all friendly afterwards. You earn each other's respect that way.

No one is earning my respect if they elbow me during a game.

Anyway what you are describing is your own fantasy of what you think the rules of professional football should be, not what they actually are. Any grabbing, pulling, elbowing or having 'digs' at people's ribs is a foul and some of those fouls are red card material in the professional game.

It isn't a fantasy. It's how it is and I imagine it's like that in leagues all over the country. I'm not saying the professionals should play that way but you have to accept a bit of roughness. I said that to show the average mentality of people who play football in England.

And by dig at ribs I don't mean literally trying grab someone's rib out but just a little poke. Yeah poke is a better word than dig.  

There is no league in the professional game in the uk where you can legally elbow your opponent or kick them or pull their shirt. All professional leagues in the Uk describe this behaviour as a foul.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

And Maradona got kicked out of the World Cup for drugs, and blatently hand balled against England, exactly the type of player we should be producing SoCal

No you guys would never produce a maradonna precisely because you prefer Shawcross and Adam. Maradonna would have his leg snapped as a teenager playing in England and you guys would defend and feel sorry for the guy who broke his leg.

Adam is Scottish

[socal1976]

SoCal, no idea why you brought up the Shawcross incident, that was nothing more than an accident and only the Arsenal fans didn't see it that way. If he meant to break his leg then I doubt he would have been pictured in tears moments after he'd done it. Shawcross used to play in the same league as me when we where kids, I can't remember him once ever injuring a player or deliberately hurting anyone so I can't imagine he did Ramsey on purpose.
 
You brand the Stoke fans as trash, so because a number of them cheer the 67th minute, that makes all of the trash? Really? I would imagine Arsenal fans have done some pretty stupid, and distasteful things during their time, does that make all Arsenal fans trash?
 
The Charlie Adam incident was stupid, and there was no need for it. Let's be honest, it wasn't as if he did it so Giroud wouldn't score is it ;)But let's remember it's a mans game yeah, I don't want to see contact taken completely out of football as that would be one of the most boring sports to watch ever, even more boring than Curling.

I don't find your comments offensive at all, and once again I haven't said I do. I find your comments regarding the Shawcross incident blinkered and biased. The Stoke player saying they'll kick opponents, a stupid thing to say but everybody who watches a game knows that the lesser skilled guys will use little tricks to their advantage, you know, leaving their foot in during a tackle or an elbow to the ribs at a set piece, it happens and has done for years this is nothing new.

If you showed an unbiased, reasonable viewpoint then most on here wouldn't argue with you everytime you post. But when it comes to Arsenal you spout consistent rubbish, your corrupt referees argument was a complete joke for example.

Sorry, I have never watched a football match to watch one team kick another into submission. Does that make me weak? I watch football for the pele, maradonna, Zidane, Cruyff; I don't watch it for Stoke city. Yes people who cheer in mass at the 67th minute where Shawcross broke Ramsey's leg are pure garbage. I don't mind saying it. Thanks for proving my point, you guys love the leg breakers and the players that are dirty over the technical players.

I'm sorry where have I said that English fans love a leg breaker? Please show me because I don't remember saying that. I said it was an accident, and Arsenal fans are still acting as if it was a deliberate act of assault. Your players have hardly been the cleanest players over the years have they, Keown, Viera, Flamini are all dirty players off the top my head. I can still remember Keown giving RVN a smack around the head after he missed a penalty, drop the holier than tho attitude, it's boring.

So let me ask you a question why is it you find my comments offensive but not the Stoke player who says flat out we want to cheat and kick our opponents? You like the dirty players that is why you defend them and don't condemn the remarks I quoted.

Once again can you direct me to where I said your comments offend me? I find them blinkered and biased, and they sound as if they've come direct from an Arsenal fans forum.

So do you agree with the Stoke player i quoted? Do you think that kicking your opponents is a valid tactic? Like i said you have no problem with his comments but seem to take exception with mine.

His comments are stupid, but that tactic is nothing new and is not only used in England. When smaller Spanish sides play Barcelona they often have little digs at Messi and co to try and slow them down, same with Real Madrid, Bayern Munich. Stop acting as if it's an English problem.

Actually, I just watched Barca get beat recently in spain and the team that beat them played nothing like stoke. They defended the spaces and popped them on the counter. If a team played like Stoke in la liga, serie A, or league 1 they would finish with 9 and 10 men every match so they just don't do it.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Good on ya Stoke. Nothing wrong with a bit of intimidation. Man up or go home - Arsenal tend to go home when Stoke do that.

Hence why Stoke repeat the trick quite often. They don't like it up 'em.

Diddums.

judging by your photo I don't think you are in a position to tell anyone to 'man up'   

I love all the internet tough guys we have on this site. A stoke player says flat out we want to kick Arsenal, ie break the rules and hurt them. Then the typical internet tough guy comes in here talking about how this is a man's game. I wonder how they would have liked to get stomped on off the ball like Giroud? I am sure they would have been Ok with it because that is how tough they tell us they are.

exactly, I wonder how many of these posters would be happy playing in a game of football where the other team is going into the game with the intention of kicking them.

They wouldn't be happy at all CS. I have found that internet posters are all really tough posting from their mother's basement. I like a fair, clean tackle as much as the next man. But Stoke are dirty, their players are flat out stating it in the media and telling people we are going to cheat. And the reason they feel comfortable in this tactic is because they know that officials will let them and the fans and media will defend them.

I imagine you and CS are the types to appeal to the ref over every little knock. You wouldn't last with that clean tackle attitude. In the 6-a-side league I play in nobody goes out with the intention of injuring each other but it's expected that we all go hard with each other during games. I play as a defender and every striker I mark we end up grabbing, pulling, elbowing and even have a dig at each others ribs. It's all give and take and all friendly afterwards. You earn each other's respect that way.

No one is earning my respect if they elbow me during a game.

Anyway what you are describing is your own fantasy of what you think the rules of professional football should be, not what they actually are. Any grabbing, pulling, elbowing or having 'digs' at people's ribs is a foul and some of those fouls are red card material in the professional game.

It isn't a fantasy. It's how it is and I imagine it's like that in leagues all over the country. I'm not saying the professionals should play that way but you have to accept a bit of roughness. I said that to show the average mentality of people who play football in England.

And by dig at ribs I don't mean literally trying grab someone's rib out but just a little poke. Yeah poke is a better word than dig.  

There is no league in the professional game in the uk where you can legally elbow your opponent or kick them or pull their shirt. All professional leagues in the Uk describe this behaviour as a foul.

Actually its down to the referee's interpretation whether its a foul or not.

[hampo17]

And Maradona got kicked out of the World Cup for drugs, and blatently hand balled against England, exactly the type of player we should be producing SoCal

No you guys would never produce a maradonna precisely because you prefer Shawcross and Adam. Maradonna would have his leg snapped as a teenager playing in England and you guys would defend and feel sorry for the guy who broke his leg.

 
Shaw, Lallana, Sturridge, Sterling, Callum Chambers, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Wilshire, are all talented English players, who are technically very good and can cope with the physical side of the Premier League. I would prefer that we had players who didn't turn to drugs and deliberate hand balls to be honest.

Charlie Adam is Scottish, don't let that confuse you though.

[socal1976]

It is funny, I post a player who says we are going to kick our opponents, and people aren't offended by that at all. Instead they are offended by me bringing it up and defend the right of the team that wants to kick their opponents in violation of the rules.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I'd imagine their FA Cup final and European trips are far more defining.

Teams all over the world play with the rules, a kick or two merely falls into that.

you understand a 'kick' is against the rules, you can't go around kicking people and far worse you can't go into the game with a pre-meditated plan that you will kick the other team, disgusting attitude.

Id imagine as I made it pretty clear that kicking was part of them playing with the rules that I understand it very clear. Welcome to the facts of life, people bend and break rules.

kicking is against the rules, any contact by the foot against the opposing players body is a foul.

Thanks for continually reiterating a point we both know to be true. Seems a bit of a waste of your time, but do carry on.

The second bit I don't agree with without context

[CFCNick]

And Maradona got kicked out of the World Cup for drugs, and blatently hand balled against England, exactly the type of player we should be producing SoCal

No you guys would never produce a maradonna precisely because you prefer Shawcross and Adam. Maradonna would have his leg snapped as a teenager playing in England and you guys would defend and feel sorry for the guy who broke his leg.

Really? I have no feeling towards Shawcross but I do hate Adam going back to his Blackpool days. Have you ever watch England play? Shawcross, who despite that one accident has never been dirty, will never play for England. He's not good enough and Adam is Scottish.

Nobody that plays like Stoke will play for England.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Whats funniest is that you think people particularly like Shawcross. You're so bizarrely blinkered that you make arguments out of things that aren't said.

[hampo17]

It is possible that N'Zonzis comments are out of context, wouldn't the first time the media did that. Leaving your foot in during a tackle or going in a bit former than needed on a shoulder barge is something every team does. I don't think he means Hughes told them to go and kick Arsenal up the arse.

[socal1976]

And Maradona got kicked out of the World Cup for drugs, and blatently hand balled against England, exactly the type of player we should be producing SoCal

No you guys would never produce a maradonna precisely because you prefer Shawcross and Adam. Maradonna would have his leg snapped as a teenager playing in England and you guys would defend and feel sorry for the guy who broke his leg.

 
Shaw, Lallana, Sturridge, Sterling, Callum Chambers, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Wilshire, are all talented English players, who are technically very good and can cope with the physical side of the Premier League. I would prefer that we had players who didn't turn to drugs and deliberate hand balls to be honest.

Charlie Adam is Scottish, don't let that confuse you though.

Funny you bring up wilshere, a perfect example of technical player in England who gets kicked onto the surgery table and probably will never reach his full potential for club or country because English fans seem to prefer kicking an opponent to playing football. I love Jack, tied for my favorite player on Arsenal with Aaron. But the guy can't complete a single season of premiership football because you guys believe football is karate or thai boxing with a few goals thrown in the middle.

[Duty281]

And Maradona got kicked out of the World Cup for drugs, and blatently hand balled against England, exactly the type of player we should be producing SoCal

No you guys would never produce a maradonna precisely because you prefer Shawcross and Adam. Maradonna would have his leg snapped as a teenager playing in England and you guys would defend and feel sorry for the guy who broke his leg.

 
Shaw, Lallana, Sturridge, Sterling, Callum Chambers, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Wilshire, are all talented English players, who are technically very good and can cope with the physical side of the Premier League. I would prefer that we had players who didn't turn to drugs and deliberate hand balls to be honest.

Charlie Adam is Scottish, don't let that confuse you though.

Funny you bring up wilshere, a perfect example of technical player in England who gets kicked onto the surgery table and probably will never reach his full potential for club or country because English fans seem to prefer kicking an opponent to playing football. I love Jack, tied for my favorite player on Arsenal with Aaron. But the guy can't complete a single season of premiership football because you guys believe football is karate or thai boxing with a few goals thrown in the middle.

And since England invented it, I think we're at best liberty to say what football is or isn't.

Oh yeah.

[hampo17]

So the other players should also be spending time on the treatment table then yes? Wilshires problems are because Arsenal have rushed him back from injuries to soon in previous seasons, saw it with Owen at Liverpool and now with Wilshire.

[socal1976]

It is possible that N'Zonzis comments are out of context, wouldn't the first time the media did that. Leaving your foot in during a tackle or going in a bit former than needed on a shoulder barge is something every team does. I don't think he means Hughes told them to go and kick Arsenal up the arse.

Yes this is what I believe modern psychologists call enabling.

[socal1976]

And Maradona got kicked out of the World Cup for drugs, and blatently hand balled against England, exactly the type of player we should be producing SoCal

No you guys would never produce a maradonna precisely because you prefer Shawcross and Adam. Maradonna would have his leg snapped as a teenager playing in England and you guys would defend and feel sorry for the guy who broke his leg.

 
Shaw, Lallana, Sturridge, Sterling, Callum Chambers, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Wilshire, are all talented English players, who are technically very good and can cope with the physical side of the Premier League. I would prefer that we had players who didn't turn to drugs and deliberate hand balls to be honest.

Charlie Adam is Scottish, don't let that confuse you though.

Funny you bring up wilshere, a perfect example of technical player in England who gets kicked onto the surgery table and probably will never reach his full potential for club or country because English fans seem to prefer kicking an opponent to playing football. I love Jack, tied for my favorite player on Arsenal with Aaron. But the guy can't complete a single season of premiership football because you guys believe football is karate or thai boxing with a few goals thrown in the middle.

And since England invented it, I think we're at best liberty to say what football is or isn't.

Oh yeah.

Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves. Together now.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

It is possible that N'Zonzis comments are out of context, wouldn't the first time the media did that. Leaving your foot in during a tackle or going in a bit former than needed on a shoulder barge is something every team does. I don't think he means Hughes told them to go and kick Arsenal up the arse.

Yes this is what I believe modern psychologists call enabling.

Your hypocrisy is fantastic

[Duty281]

And Maradona got kicked out of the World Cup for drugs, and blatently hand balled against England, exactly the type of player we should be producing SoCal

No you guys would never produce a maradonna precisely because you prefer Shawcross and Adam. Maradonna would have his leg snapped as a teenager playing in England and you guys would defend and feel sorry for the guy who broke his leg.

 
Shaw, Lallana, Sturridge, Sterling, Callum Chambers, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Wilshire, are all talented English players, who are technically very good and can cope with the physical side of the Premier League. I would prefer that we had players who didn't turn to drugs and deliberate hand balls to be honest.

Charlie Adam is Scottish, don't let that confuse you though.

Funny you bring up wilshere, a perfect example of technical player in England who gets kicked onto the surgery table and probably will never reach his full potential for club or country because English fans seem to prefer kicking an opponent to playing football. I love Jack, tied for my favorite player on Arsenal with Aaron. But the guy can't complete a single season of premiership football because you guys believe football is karate or thai boxing with a few goals thrown in the middle.

And since England invented it, I think we're at best liberty to say what football is or isn't.

Oh yeah.

Rule Britannia, Britannia rule the waves. Together now.

When Britain first at Heaven's command...

[hampo17]

He obviously doesn't remember Arsenals disciplinary record when the likes of Viera and Keown played.

[Stella]

He obviously doesn't remember Arsenals disciplinary record when the likes of Viera and Keown played.

70 red cards under Wenger? Something like that. Even Bergkamp had a nasty streak.

[CFCNick]

He obviously doesn't remember Arsenals disciplinary record when the likes of Viera and Keown played.

Ooh! Imagine if Shawcross did to Giroud what Keown did to van Nistelrooy! Outrage!

[socal1976]

Yes 10 year old disciplinary records really make a difference in 2014. A perfect retort to shift the argument. I have had too much Cognac and it is late here in beautiful Southern California as we enjoy another perfect day in the 70s and I have my personal trainer coming at 700 am before work. I will pick up with you all later. But I said my piece.

[hampo17]

He obviously doesn't remember Arsenals disciplinary record when the likes of Viera and Keown played.

Ooh! Imagine if Shawcross did to Giroud why Keown did to van Nistelrooy! Outrage!

Arsenal fans would be begging for an assault charge

[Duty281]

Yes 10 year old disciplinary records really make a difference in 2014. A perfect retort to shift the argument. I have had too much Cognac and it is late here in beautiful Southern California as we enjoy another perfect day in the 70s and I have my personal trainer coming at 700 am before work. I will pick up with you all later. But I said my piece.

Run away, run away, run away...

[CFCNick]

70 degrees sounds horrible. I prefer it around 30.

Here SoCal. Watch this when you're back https://youtu.be/q1dfphE6jOs

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Yes 10 year old disciplinary records really make a difference in 2014. A perfect retort to shift the argument.

When was the Shawcross tackle?

What a bore you are.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Yes 10 year old disciplinary records really make a difference in 2014. A perfect retort to shift the argument. I have had too much Cognac and it is late here in beautiful Southern California as we enjoy another perfect day in the 70s and I have my personal trainer coming at 700 am before work. I will pick up with you all later. But I said my piece.

Run away, run away, run away...

Based on your pictures I think you need to run to the gym   

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Ok that's a little bit stalkerish CS

[Champagne_Socialist]

70 degrees sounds horrible. I prefer it around 30.

Here SoCal. Watch this when you're back https://youtu.be/q1dfphE6jOs

He's obviously talking about fahrenheit

[Champagne_Socialist]

Ok that's a little bit stalkerish CS

He has a link to his twitter and his picture pops up.

[Duty281]

Yes 10 year old disciplinary records really make a difference in 2014. A perfect retort to shift the argument. I have had too much Cognac and it is late here in beautiful Southern California as we enjoy another perfect day in the 70s and I have my personal trainer coming at 700 am before work. I will pick up with you all later. But I said my piece.

Run away, run away, run away...

Based on your pictures I think you need to run to the gym    

I'm a girly guy, C_S. Chick flick and a cuddle.

Not gym and a...whatever macho guys do.

[Duty281]

Ok that's a little bit stalkerish CS

Here I sit in my desk chair, cricket bat in my hands, waiting for C_S to pop round the corner at any moment!

[Champagne_Socialist]

Ok that's a little bit stalkerish CS

Here I sit in my desk chair, cricket bat in my hands, waiting for C_S to pop round the corner at any moment!

Don't you mean with your hair dryer in your hand?

[Duty281]

Let's go for the middle option and say handbag.

With some Katy Perry music in the background.

[Guest]

I'm going of you now, Duty.

[Duty281]

Have no fear Dave, I don't have, and never will, a handbag.

Now hair straighteners on the other hand...

I'm also dying to know how C_S thought I needed to go to the gym based on a face pic?

[Guest]

At least we'll never fall out over whose turn it is to use them

[Duty281]

Oh I could never fall out with you Dave.

[Guest]

Phew

[Guest]

Oh I could never go out with you Dave.

Let him down gently why don't ya!

[CFCNick]

70 degrees sounds horrible. I prefer it around 30.

Here SoCal. Watch this when you're back https://youtu.be/q1dfphE6jOs

He's obviously talking about fahrenheit

I Frak know. That's why I said 30. I like it cold.

[Hammersmith harrier]

And Maradona got kicked out of the World Cup for drugs, and blatently hand balled against England, exactly the type of player we should be producing SoCal

No you guys would never produce a maradonna precisely because you prefer Shawcross and Adam. Maradonna would have his leg snapped as a teenager playing in England and you guys would defend and feel sorry for the guy who broke his leg.

 
Shaw, Lallana, Sturridge, Sterling, Callum Chambers, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Wilshire, are all talented English players, who are technically very good and can cope with the physical side of the Premier League. I would prefer that we had players who didn't turn to drugs and deliberate hand balls to be honest.

Charlie Adam is Scottish, don't let that confuse you though.

There was that ginger asthmatic fellow as well, used to play for Manchester United, revered throughout all of Europe for being one of the most technically brilliant midfielders in the world. I'm pretty sure he was English but I must be mistaken, oh yes Paul Scholes that's who i'm thinking about.

Socal, I would guess you have never watched any footage of Maradona playing at all, he was mercilessly kicked about no matter what country he played in but guess what, he got on with it and embarrassed those trying to kick him, Pele and Best did the same too.

In an ideal world, any physical contact would see the referee blow up immediately, award a free kick and red car the offending player but weirdly football is a contact sport. As your fellow Arsenal crackpot put it, 'contact between the foot and the opponent' is not a foul, if I win the ball but follow through and make contact with you that's a fair challenge.

The Netherlands were pretty damn close to winning the last world cup and their midfield (Van Bommel and De Jong) were renowned for kicking their opposition about, it's a tactic that is bending the rules, no different to the Spanish diving and crying all the time, sounds a bit like you.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

So the dirty cluckers that are Stoke visit the Carra tomorrow

Can't say I'm exactly full of excitement for it...

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I think you'll win, Hughton wins these kinds of games   

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I think you'll win, Hughton wins these kinds of games   

I bloomin hope we win cos we ain't got many better chances to pick up wins left!

Our home record is pretty good so far this calendar year tbf, so I'm quietly confident of a result

[mystiroakey]

Southampton tomorrow-

not really a good time to be playing them. Lallana and Shaw are going to really cause us some havoc.

Norwich v stoke is going to be a tough one to call..

Everton arsernal as well.. No wilshire, no Walcott , no Ramsay, and no decent striker.. its all going a bit t!ts up!!

I can see Everton getting a draw if not sneaking a win

.

[Duty281]

Whilst I disagree with the petition about Tom Cleverley, defending him, as Moyes has done, by calling him "young" and/or "developing" is a bit wide of the mark.

He's 24 for gawd sake. In footballing terms he's about to enter into, in theory, the best years of his career. He's not 18/19/20, just learning the ropes. No excuses for his inept ability.

[mystiroakey]

true duty. I really dont agree with the petition in the slighest

But you are right he deserves to be criticized. I have no idea why Moyes is defending players that just are not perfomring.. Smalling, cleverly, young, RVP, even rooney and jones who started well have tailed off.

Evra is working his socks of as is De gea.. but not much else really

This players are better than they are showing. Moyes has lost his marbles

[Guest]

I fully agree with people voicing their opinion on a matter as "important as this". If people believe Cleverley brings little or nothing to the England set-up, they do have the right to voice their opinion...and Hodgson has the right to ignore them....and we have the right to be critical of Hodgson...and on and on it goes

An online forum seems an infinitely better way of informing Cleverley and Hodgson of people's feelings although some of the comments have gone beyond mere criticism of footballing ability but it's infinitely better than spraying liquid dogsh!t through his letterbox (probably just given some brain damaged spider monkey the idea now...I should probably delete it... I will....in a bit...where was I? Oh yeah...).

Seems to me the British public are criticized for being A/ Apathetic or B/ Overly hostile with no grey area.

"Cleverley picked and no-one seems to care enough to say 'NO!'"
"Cleverley picked and plebs think they know enough about it to say 'NO!'"

It's a test of character for Cleverley though. Someone must have seem something in him for him to be picked for Club and COuntry...is it too much to ask that he be kind enough to demonstrate what that was?

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