Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[mystiroakey]

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Oh you are SAF? or a Glazier?

[CFCNick]

Rooney is a ten - I thought we went over this.

Ibrahimovic isn't world-class, I've never said he was/is.

And the best? I mean a vague grouping. I don't think there's a fixed number on how many can be world-class or not.

Think we can count on one hand the number of people who think Ibra is world class.

He made the fifa team of the year

He is easily world class but that is a different debate.

Forgot to add the "on here" part.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Wait does that say Hazard is a winger, easy to say somebody is in the top 5 in the world if you disregard all those that are better by saying they play different roles which they don't.

[Champagne_Socialist]

World-class is the elite level. The highest. The best.

Which is not where Ozil is this season, which was the original point.

So only one player at each position can be world class? Under that criteria either Zlatan or Suarez aren't world class, because only one of them can be world class. Either Vidal or Ya Ya are world class and not both of them because there can be only one that is the best. The world of football is not a highlander movie. "there can only be one."

No the best is a vague grouping. You know...there can be more than one.

I agree this hasn't been Ozil's best season but even still I struggle to find five playmaking midfielders that I rate higher than him. Iniesta is a fair shout. Gotze maybe. Cesc for sure he has been great. Rooney if you are now categorizing him as a midfield playmaker (despite him playing a lot of times as a striker and most of his career).

Are there 3 other playmakers in the EPL who have been better than Ozil this season? 12 assists, 6 goals and top of the key passes stat is hard to beat.

Can't think of more than one or two that have had better seasons. The once vaunted Mata who was purchased for almost the same amount of money hasn't exactly been burning it up this season at either United or Chelsea but somehow the media isn't crucifying him like they are doing to Ozil.

You ever heard of a chap that goes by the name of Eden Hazard? More assists in all comps than Bale, Iniesta and Xavi in the last 18 months. 15 goals and 10 assists this season. 16 goals and 26 assists last season. Lit up Kyle Walker yesterday.

Or how about Oscar? 17 goals and 19 assists last season. 12 goals and 8 assists this season.

Then add David Silva, Fabregas, Isco, Iniesta, Mata, Lallana, Gotze, hell I'd even put Coutinho ahead of Ozil.

If you can't count that's 6 players in the Premier League I'd have instead of Ozil.

Didn't know isco, fabregas, iniesta and gotze play in the epl.

Are you seriously saying mata has played better than Ozil this season? Mata has had a very very poor year, mainly due to being benched for 6 months because of mourinho.

I disagree that lallana, coutinho or david silva hve had as much of an impact as Ozil.

I would also add that Hazard plays on the wing whilst Ozil plays ion the centre, very different positions so impossible to compare.

Well, you can't count then can you. The list at the bottom of my post has eight players plus Ozil. Four from the Premier League plus Hazard and Oscar.

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Hazard is a inger, Ozil is a central midfielder so why are you comparing them? that is a bit like comparing Mertesacker to ashley cole.

[socal1976]

David Silva 5 goals, 12 assist this season
Mesut Ozil 6 goals, 15 assists this season

Silva's team won the league cup. But are 9 points off Chelsea for the league and set to exit the CL, and just got beat in the FA cup. While his team has spent the most money on transfers the last five years and in terms of payroll. But according to the media Arsenal are the bottlers.

[Hammersmith harrier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Yg5YKygOs

[Duty281]

The debate is absurd and amusing in equal measure.

Ozil - Biggest game of his world-class season and he bottled it. Can we discuss that? I need a few more laughs.

[Hammersmith harrier]

The debate is absurd and amusing in equal measure.

Ozil - Biggest game of his world-class season and he bottled it. Can we discuss that? I need a few more laughs.

I don't know why you're persisting, you may as well hit your head against a brick wall, will get more sense out of an inanimate object.

[Champagne_Socialist]

The debate is absurd and amusing in equal measure.

Ozil - Biggest game of his world-class season and he bottled it. Can we discuss that? I need a few more laughs.

Why don't you start by telling me 5 attacking central midfield playmakers in the epl who have been better than Ozil this season. List 5 names and state why they have been better.

[CFCNick]

Hazard is not a winger. Him, Oscar, Schurrle, William, Ramires and Mata when he was here, whoever made the starting XI, all played in rolling positions very much like Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo in 07-08.

Lallana does the same role for Southampton as Hazard. Is he a winger too?

[socal1976]

Coutinho-3 goals and 5 assists

Yeah he is better than Ozil as well in some people's minds. I wonder why Mata, (slumping worse than Ozil) Silva (his team with the money they have spent are hugely underachieving) aren't being crucified by the media? Seriously if you apply the brutal level of expectation Ozil has had to deal with to other supposedly star players you find them failing on a grander level than Ozil.

[CFCNick]

Coutinho-3 goals and 5 assists

Yeah he is better than Ozil as well in some people's minds. I wonder why Mata, (slumping worse than Ozil) Silva (his team with the money they have spent are hugely underachieving) aren't being crucified by the media? Seriously if you apply the brutal level of expectation Ozil has had to deal with to other supposedly star players you find them failing on a grander level than Ozil.

Probably something to do with those players not costing £42m.

[socal1976]

Hazard is almost always played out wide, he is clearly not a central attack midfielder as his principal position.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Coutinho-3 goals and 5 assists

Yeah he is better than Ozil as well in some people's minds. I wonder why Mata, (slumping worse than Ozil) Silva (his team with the money they have spent are hugely underachieving) aren't being crucified by the media? Seriously if you apply the brutal level of expectation Ozil has had to deal with to other supposedly star players you find them failing on a grander level than Ozil.

Probably something to with those players not costing £42m.

But price is irrelevant when determining if a player has had a world class season. price only determines value.

Coutinho has no way had a better season than Ozil.

[socal1976]

Coutinho-3 goals and 5 assists

Yeah he is better than Ozil as well in some people's minds. I wonder why Mata, (slumping worse than Ozil) Silva (his team with the money they have spent are hugely underachieving) aren't being crucified by the media? Seriously if you apply the brutal level of expectation Ozil has had to deal with to other supposedly star players you find them failing on a grander level than Ozil.

Probably something to with those players not costing £42m.

No Mata only cost a paltry 37.5 million pounds. And man city bought David Silva for a pint and a bag of balls.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Hazard is almost always played out wide, he is clearly not a central attack midfielder as his principal position.

Everyone knows hazard plays on the wing, cfcnick is only saying he doesn't play on the wing so that he can attempot to label ozil a failure by comparing him to hazard. He can't compare ozil to hazard if hazard is a winger because then they will play different positions so he needs to try and make out he is a central midfielder.

[socal1976]

Adam Lallana 8 goals and 8 assists, also no where near as good as Ozil. Nice kid though, good player, has a fine future.

[socal1976]

Hazard is almost always played out wide, he is clearly not a central attack midfielder as his principal position.

Everyone knows hazard plays on the wing, cfcnick is only saying he doesn't play on the wing so that he can attempot to label ozil a failure by comparing him to hazard. He can't compare ozil to hazard if hazard is a winger because then they will play different positions so he needs to try and make out he is a central midfielder.

Yep, exactly completely different position and everyone knows he is a winger. But in order to fabricate better central attacking midfielders to Ozil when there really aren't many if any having a bigger impact they will start changing players positions around. Give them some time and we will find out that Aguero and Suarez are basically playmaking midfielders.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Losing a debate so resort to the same old tired statistics, Hazard is not a winger, do you know how we know that because we watch him play. The number ten role is a free role where the player will wander looking for the ball it is not a set position nor is it an exclusively midfield role hence why Rooney and Mata are both number tens.

[Duty281]

The debate is absurd and amusing in equal measure.

Ozil - Biggest game of his world-class season and he bottled it. Can we discuss that? I need a few more laughs.

Why don't you start by telling me 5 attacking central midfield playmakers in the epl who have been better than Ozil this season. List 5 names and state why they have been better.

What would five names prove? Why does it have to be five?

[Duty281]

Gerrard's got more PL assists than Ozil this season...must be having a world-class season!

[CFCNick]

Hazard is not a winger. Chelsea don't play wingers. We play three attacking midfielders who all interchange with each other. You may be surprised to know that on the team sheet shown on Sky on saturday Hazard was in the centre and Schurrle and Ramires played as the two outside of him.

Chelsea haven't really played true wingers since we had Robben, Duff and Joe Cole.

[GSC]

As I've said before Ozil seems to be struggling from fatigue. Hasn't hit the heights he set in the autumn. A post WC strength and conditioning programme seems in his future.

That said his influence extended beyond his play. He gave Arsenal the belief and impetus to challenge.

[Champagne_Socialist]

The debate is absurd and amusing in equal measure.

Ozil - Biggest game of his world-class season and he bottled it. Can we discuss that? I need a few more laughs.

Why don't you start by telling me 5 attacking central midfield playmakers in the epl who have been better than Ozil this season. List 5 names and state why they have been better.

What would five names prove? Why does it have to be five?

Well so far the only legitimate name that has been brought up is oscar but I believe Ozil has played slightly better but they are roughly the same this season.

Mata has been crap this year, hazard plays in a different position, Silva has had a quiet season.

You are saying Ozil has not had a world class season but you can't even name 5 legitimate names of players in his position that have played better than him in the epl/cup games this year. Surely that highlights Ozil has been the best attacking central midfielder or ONE of the best this year.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Hazard is not a winger. Chelsea don't play wingers. We play three attacking midfielders who all interchange with each other. You may be surprised to know that on the team sheet shown on Sky on saturday Hazard was in the centre and Schurrle and Ramires played as the two outside of him.  

Chelsea haven't really played true wingers since we had Robben, Duff and Joe Cole.

His trade is as a winger/ left attacking midfielder and not a central attacking midfielder.

[socal1976]

Gerrard's got more PL assists than Ozil this season...must be having a world-class season!

He is a great player, a little long in the tooth, I think he is having a great season. And I don't disagree that Ozil is not playing as well as he has in recent years but if you believe Coutinho and Lallana are better than Ozil well then you are smoking something.

[CFCNick]

I DECLARE DEMBA BA WORLD CLASS.

He stands around in the middle for a maximum of five minutes. There's nobody else that does that.

[Duty281]

The debate is absurd and amusing in equal measure.

Ozil - Biggest game of his world-class season and he bottled it. Can we discuss that? I need a few more laughs.

Why don't you start by telling me 5 attacking central midfield playmakers in the epl who have been better than Ozil this season. List 5 names and state why they have been better.

What would five names prove? Why does it have to be five?

Well so far the only legitimate name that has been brought up is oscar but I believe Ozil has played slightly better but they are roughly the same this season.

Mata has been crap this year, hazard plays in a different position, Silva has had a quiet season.

You are saying Ozil has not had a world class season but you can't even name 5 legitimate names of players in his position that have played better than him in the epl/cup games this year. Surely that highlights Ozil has been the best attacking central midfielder or ONE of the best this year.

You know that it is possible for there not to be a world-class player in every position on the field?

Anyway, Hazard and Oscar clearly better this season. David Silva a possible as well.

[Champagne_Socialist]

As I've said before Ozil seems to be struggling from fatigue. Hasn't hit the heights he set in the autumn. A post WC strength and conditioning programme seems in his future.

That said his influence extended beyond his play. He gave Arsenal the belief and impetus to challenge.

well said, Ozil gave Arsenal a massive morale boost.

[CFCNick]

Hazard is not a winger. Chelsea don't play wingers. We play three attacking midfielders who all interchange with each other. You may be surprised to know that on the team sheet shown on Sky on saturday Hazard was in the centre and Schurrle and Ramires played as the two outside of him.  

Chelsea haven't really played true wingers since we had Robben, Duff and Joe Cole.

His trade is as a winger/ left attacking midfielder and not a central attacking midfielder.

Do you ever watch Chelsea? Even Oscar shows up in the left wing position at times. Do you know why that is? They don't have set positions. This is not table football, or foosball for socal.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Then again last night we were treated to the inspiring line that Zidane was a number ten despite playing the majority of his career in a midfield two with Makelele.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Hazard is not a winger. Chelsea don't play wingers. We play three attacking midfielders who all interchange with each other. You may be surprised to know that on the team sheet shown on Sky on saturday Hazard was in the centre and Schurrle and Ramires played as the two outside of him.  

Chelsea haven't really played true wingers since we had Robben, Duff and Joe Cole.

His trade is as a winger/ left attacking midfielder and not a central attacking midfielder.

Do you ever watch Chelsea? Even Oscar shows up in the left wing position at times. Do you know why that is? They don't have set positions. This is not table football, or foosball for socal.

I saw Rafael and Evra by the byline yesterday they must be wingers too.

[Champagne_Socialist]

The debate is absurd and amusing in equal measure.

Ozil - Biggest game of his world-class season and he bottled it. Can we discuss that? I need a few more laughs.

Why don't you start by telling me 5 attacking central midfield playmakers in the epl who have been better than Ozil this season. List 5 names and state why they have been better.

What would five names prove? Why does it have to be five?

Well so far the only legitimate name that has been brought up is oscar but I believe Ozil has played slightly better but they are roughly the same this season.

Mata has been crap this year, hazard plays in a different position, Silva has had a quiet season.

You are saying Ozil has not had a world class season but you can't even name 5 legitimate names of players in his position that have played better than him in the epl/cup games this year. Surely that highlights Ozil has been the best attacking central midfielder or ONE of the best this year.

You know that it is possible for there not to be a world-class player in every position on the field?

Anyway, Hazard and Oscar clearly better this season. David Silva a possible as well.

hazard plays in a different position. And back up your statement that Oscar has been CLEARLY better this season with some facts i.e some stats.

Also back up your statement that siilva has been better with stats.

Socal has already backed up his statement that Ozil has been better than silva by posting the goals/assists stats so maybe you have a different stat that poroves otherise.

[Duty281]

Then again last night we were treated to the inspiring line that Zidane was a number ten despite playing the majority of his career in a midfield two with Makelele.

And Maradona was a midfielder!

[socal1976]

As I've said before Ozil seems to be struggling from fatigue. Hasn't hit the heights he set in the autumn. A post WC strength and conditioning programme seems in his future.

That said his influence extended beyond his play. He gave Arsenal the belief and impetus to challenge.

That is an excellent point. Look I think the success of Ozil this season comes down to has he improved Arsenal. I remember when this transfer was announced everyone and their mother not only on this site but also in the media were telling me and Arsenal fans that Ozil would be a success if he led Arsenal to trophies. If Arsenal win the cup AND qualify for CL again, then has he not been a success? And it isn't like he hasn't contributed he was off to a scorching start and tailed off and just had another great game in a big cup tie. I am not taking anything for granted Ozil has a lot of work to do especially in the FA cup as do his teammates. But he if he is the catalyst to ending a 9 year trophy drought in his first season, with an Arsenal side decimated by injuries, who can say he hasn't been worth it or hasn't been world class.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Can somebody just ban these two morons before they infect my brain with their stupidity.

[Duty281]

The debate is absurd and amusing in equal measure.

Ozil - Biggest game of his world-class season and he bottled it. Can we discuss that? I need a few more laughs.

Why don't you start by telling me 5 attacking central midfield playmakers in the epl who have been better than Ozil this season. List 5 names and state why they have been better.

What would five names prove? Why does it have to be five?

Well so far the only legitimate name that has been brought up is oscar but I believe Ozil has played slightly better but they are roughly the same this season.

Mata has been crap this year, hazard plays in a different position, Silva has had a quiet season.

You are saying Ozil has not had a world class season but you can't even name 5 legitimate names of players in his position that have played better than him in the epl/cup games this year. Surely that highlights Ozil has been the best attacking central midfielder or ONE of the best this year.

You know that it is possible for there not to be a world-class player in every position on the field?

Anyway, Hazard and Oscar clearly better this season. David Silva a possible as well.

hazard plays in a different position. And back up your statement that Oscar has been CLEARLY better this season with some facts i.e some stats.

Also back up your statement that siilva has been better with stats.

Socal has already backed up his statement that Ozil has been better than silva by posting the goals/assists stats so maybe you have a different stat that poroves otherise.

I pointed out to you yesterday why goals/assists stats could be fairly meaningless with the Mirallas/Lukaku/Barkley example.

[socal1976]

Then again last night we were treated to the inspiring line that Zidane was a number ten despite playing the majority of his career in a midfield two with Makelele.

He played at madrid with Makele as holding, Guti as the box to box, and Zidane as the playmaker only you would argue that fact.

[CFCNick]

Can somebody just ban these two morons before they infect my brain with their stupidity.

You could always add CS to your ignore list......   

[Champagne_Socialist]

Hazard is not a winger. Chelsea don't play wingers. We play three attacking midfielders who all interchange with each other. You may be surprised to know that on the team sheet shown on Sky on saturday Hazard was in the centre and Schurrle and Ramires played as the two outside of him.  

Chelsea haven't really played true wingers since we had Robben, Duff and Joe Cole.

His trade is as a winger/ left attacking midfielder and not a central attacking midfielder.

Do you ever watch Chelsea? Even Oscar shows up in the left wing position at times. Do you know why that is? They don't have set positions. This is not table football, or foosball for socal.

his position is left midfield i.e left winger.

[GSC]

Can someone ban the lot of you. Same people bickering over the same topic over and over.

Agree to disagree and be done with it, it's tiresome and going nowhere.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Can somebody just ban these two morons before they infect my brain with their stupidity.

You could always add CS to your ignore list......   

It doesn't work Nick it gets negated by the stupid bloody quote function.

[socal1976]

Can somebody just ban these two morons before they infect my brain with their stupidity.

Funny, you are the only one here who can't disagree with someone without resorting to name calling and you want us banned? I thought you were going to do us all a favor and stop talking to me and CS? So not only are you a rude hothead who mommy and daddy never taught any manners, you are also a hypocrite as well.

[CFCNick]

Can someone ban the lot of you. Same people bickering over the same topic over and over.

Agree to disagree and be done with it, it's tiresome and going nowhere.

Go back to the Championship section then   

[Champagne_Socialist]

The debate is absurd and amusing in equal measure.

Ozil - Biggest game of his world-class season and he bottled it. Can we discuss that? I need a few more laughs.

Why don't you start by telling me 5 attacking central midfield playmakers in the epl who have been better than Ozil this season. List 5 names and state why they have been better.

What would five names prove? Why does it have to be five?

Well so far the only legitimate name that has been brought up is oscar but I believe Ozil has played slightly better but they are roughly the same this season.

Mata has been crap this year, hazard plays in a different position, Silva has had a quiet season.

You are saying Ozil has not had a world class season but you can't even name 5 legitimate names of players in his position that have played better than him in the epl/cup games this year. Surely that highlights Ozil has been the best attacking central midfielder or ONE of the best this year.

You know that it is possible for there not to be a world-class player in every position on the field?

Anyway, Hazard and Oscar clearly better this season. David Silva a possible as well.

hazard plays in a different position. And back up your statement that Oscar has been CLEARLY better this season with some facts i.e some stats.

Also back up your statement that siilva has been better with stats.

Socal has already backed up his statement that Ozil has been better than silva by posting the goals/assists stats so maybe you have a different stat that poroves otherise.

I pointed out to you yesterday why goals/assists stats could be fairly meaningless with the Mirallas/Lukaku/Barkley example.

You never pointed anything out, not successfully anyway. I will take that as you not being able to prove your point like usual.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Funny, you are the only one here who can't disagree with someone without resorting to name calling and you want us banned? I thought you were going to do us all a favor and stop talking to me and CS? So not only are you a rude hothead who mommy and daddy never taught any manners, you are also a hypocrite as well.

Funny thing is that I put him on my foe list months ago but he keeps trying to talk to me and keeps responding to my posts. The guy is just an attention seeker, just ignore him.

[Duty281]

The debate is absurd and amusing in equal measure.

Ozil - Biggest game of his world-class season and he bottled it. Can we discuss that? I need a few more laughs.

Why don't you start by telling me 5 attacking central midfield playmakers in the epl who have been better than Ozil this season. List 5 names and state why they have been better.

What would five names prove? Why does it have to be five?

Well so far the only legitimate name that has been brought up is oscar but I believe Ozil has played slightly better but they are roughly the same this season.

Mata has been crap this year, hazard plays in a different position, Silva has had a quiet season.

You are saying Ozil has not had a world class season but you can't even name 5 legitimate names of players in his position that have played better than him in the epl/cup games this year. Surely that highlights Ozil has been the best attacking central midfielder or ONE of the best this year.

You know that it is possible for there not to be a world-class player in every position on the field?

Anyway, Hazard and Oscar clearly better this season. David Silva a possible as well.

hazard plays in a different position. And back up your statement that Oscar has been CLEARLY better this season with some facts i.e some stats.

Also back up your statement that siilva has been better with stats.

Socal has already backed up his statement that Ozil has been better than silva by posting the goals/assists stats so maybe you have a different stat that poroves otherise.

I pointed out to you yesterday why goals/assists stats could be fairly meaningless with the Mirallas/Lukaku/Barkley example.

You never pointed anything out, not successfully anyway. I will take that as you not being able to prove your point like usual.

I believe you countered with "everything is a statistic" and how I should look at dribbling success % or such rubbish.

Nonsense.

Oscar has had a better season than Ozil.
Hazard has had a better season than Ozil.

Most sane football fans would agree with that.

[GSC]

Can someone ban the lot of you. Same people bickering over the same topic over and over.

Agree to disagree and be done with it, it's tiresome and going nowhere.

Go back to the Championship section then   

Still more populated than ice hockey   

[Champagne_Socialist]

The debate is absurd and amusing in equal measure.

Ozil - Biggest game of his world-class season and he bottled it. Can we discuss that? I need a few more laughs.

Why don't you start by telling me 5 attacking central midfield playmakers in the epl who have been better than Ozil this season. List 5 names and state why they have been better.

What would five names prove? Why does it have to be five?

Well so far the only legitimate name that has been brought up is oscar but I believe Ozil has played slightly better but they are roughly the same this season.

Mata has been crap this year, hazard plays in a different position, Silva has had a quiet season.

You are saying Ozil has not had a world class season but you can't even name 5 legitimate names of players in his position that have played better than him in the epl/cup games this year. Surely that highlights Ozil has been the best attacking central midfielder or ONE of the best this year.

You know that it is possible for there not to be a world-class player in every position on the field?

Anyway, Hazard and Oscar clearly better this season. David Silva a possible as well.

hazard plays in a different position. And back up your statement that Oscar has been CLEARLY better this season with some facts i.e some stats.

Also back up your statement that siilva has been better with stats.

Socal has already backed up his statement that Ozil has been better than silva by posting the goals/assists stats so maybe you have a different stat that poroves otherise.

I pointed out to you yesterday why goals/assists stats could be fairly meaningless with the Mirallas/Lukaku/Barkley example.

You never pointed anything out, not successfully anyway. I will take that as you not being able to prove your point like usual.

I believe you countered with "everything is a statistic" and how I should look at dribbling success % or such rubbish.

Nonsense.

Oscar has had a better season than Ozil.
Hazard has had a better season than Ozil.

Most sane football fans would agree with that.

Prove it, If oscar or Silva have hd a better season than ozil than the stats will back you up. So go on google and find some stats and prove t.

[Duty281]

The debate is absurd and amusing in equal measure.

Ozil - Biggest game of his world-class season and he bottled it. Can we discuss that? I need a few more laughs.

Why don't you start by telling me 5 attacking central midfield playmakers in the epl who have been better than Ozil this season. List 5 names and state why they have been better.

What would five names prove? Why does it have to be five?

Well so far the only legitimate name that has been brought up is oscar but I believe Ozil has played slightly better but they are roughly the same this season.

Mata has been crap this year, hazard plays in a different position, Silva has had a quiet season.

You are saying Ozil has not had a world class season but you can't even name 5 legitimate names of players in his position that have played better than him in the epl/cup games this year. Surely that highlights Ozil has been the best attacking central midfielder or ONE of the best this year.

You know that it is possible for there not to be a world-class player in every position on the field?

Anyway, Hazard and Oscar clearly better this season. David Silva a possible as well.

hazard plays in a different position. And back up your statement that Oscar has been CLEARLY better this season with some facts i.e some stats.

Also back up your statement that siilva has been better with stats.

Socal has already backed up his statement that Ozil has been better than silva by posting the goals/assists stats so maybe you have a different stat that poroves otherise.

I pointed out to you yesterday why goals/assists stats could be fairly meaningless with the Mirallas/Lukaku/Barkley example.

You never pointed anything out, not successfully anyway. I will take that as you not being able to prove your point like usual.

I believe you countered with "everything is a statistic" and how I should look at dribbling success % or such rubbish.

Nonsense.

Oscar has had a better season than Ozil.
Hazard has had a better season than Ozil.

Most sane football fans would agree with that.

Prove it, If oscar or Silva have hd a better season than ozil than the stats will back you up. So go on google and find some stats and prove t.

But stats are meaningless without context.

Gerrard's got more PL assists currently than Ozil - I don't think he's had a better season than the German though.

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

[socal1976]

Funny, you are the only one here who can't disagree with someone without resorting to name calling and you want us banned? I thought you were going to do us all a favor and stop talking to me and CS? So not only are you a rude hothead who mommy and daddy never taught any manners, you are also a hypocrite as well.

Funny thing is that I put him on my foe list months ago but he keeps trying to talk to me and keeps responding to my posts. The guy is just an attention seeker, just ignore him.

Yep, I keep inviting him to never respond to me or talk to me ever again if he finds me to be so awful to have a discussion with. I am done with him. Anytime you disagree with him he can't help but descend to name calling. I guess that is what happens when you run out of anything intelligent to say in 4 posts.

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