Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[mystiroakey]

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Oh you are SAF? or a Glazier?

[Guest]

Is that really how you define it?

Well it seems your definition of success is to finish in 1st place. My definition of success is very different for each club eg Arsenal challenging for the title when we were favourites to drop out of the top 4 is success, Liverpool finishing in the top 4 is success, crysta palace avoiding relegation is success etc etc.

You don't have to fionish in 1st place in the epl to have had a successful season.

That does indeed to seem to be the mentality Wenger has instilled in fans and players alike as well as the board. A team like Arsenal who are generally comfortably in the top four should aspire to greater things than being there or thereabouts. You should be angry and disappointed that you haven't mounted a serious challenge and strive to do better season after season rather than just having an "if it ain't broke don't fix it (or even try to improve it)" attitude.

I'd dearly love Arsenal to go sh!t or bust against Bayern but can't shake the feeling that it will be a "The game's gone, don't get humiliated" performance. However I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

[hampo17]

It's great throwing the "Assist" stat out there, but that doesn't cover it all. I always prefer to look at the chances created stat, gives a much better indication of how a player is impacting a game.

[kingraf]

I agree, the assist stat sheet doesn't tell the whole story, Messi beats three, lays square ball for Neymar who passes to Tello for the tap in - Neymar gets the assist... but who made the goal? Nonetheless, you rarely hear of Jamie Carragher leading the assist stats, so it must have some accuracy

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Is that really how you define it?

Well it seems your definition of success is to finish in 1st place. My definition of success is very different for each club eg Arsenal challenging for the title when we were favourites to drop out of the top 4 is success, Liverpool finishing in the top 4 is success, crysta palace avoiding relegation is success etc etc.

You don't have to fionish in 1st place in the epl to have had a successful season.

Not at all, but if you finish 4th or 3rd it's about as between success and failure as you'd get at Arsenal. Arsenal fans bemoaned Wenger not spending money, saying not throwing a big transfer in was why you weren't winning the league (paraphrasing it). You spend a big wad and you stay in the same place? Doesn't sound successful

[Champagne_Socialist]

Is that really how you define it?

Well it seems your definition of success is to finish in 1st place. My definition of success is very different for each club eg Arsenal challenging for the title when we were favourites to drop out of the top 4 is success, Liverpool finishing in the top 4 is success, crysta palace avoiding relegation is success etc etc.

You don't have to fionish in 1st place in the epl to have had a successful season.

Not at all, but if you finish 4th or 3rd it's about as between success and failure as you'd get at Arsenal. Arsenal fans bemoaned Wenger not spending money, saying not throwing a big transfer in was why you weren't winning the league (paraphrasing it). You spend a big wad and you stay in the same place? Doesn't sound successful

But we're not in the same place, we are challenging for the title the season is not over. We could very well finish 2nd this year or even top if we beat man city and chelsea in the league. We are also on course for the FA cup which is a big success.

This season has been horrible for us with injuries, podolski was injured for 3 months, walcott injured for 6 months, ramsey injured for 3 months, wilshere injured for 8 weeks, ox injured for 2 months and yet we are still challenging for the title.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Is that really how you define it?

Well it seems your definition of success is to finish in 1st place. My definition of success is very different for each club eg Arsenal challenging for the title when we were favourites to drop out of the top 4 is success, Liverpool finishing in the top 4 is success, crysta palace avoiding relegation is success etc etc.

You don't have to fionish in 1st place in the epl to have had a successful season.

That does indeed to seem to be the mentality Wenger has instilled in fans and players alike as well as the board. A team like Arsenal who are generally comfortably in the top four should aspire to greater things than being there or thereabouts. You should be angry and disappointed that you haven't mounted a serious challenge and strive to do better season after season rather than just having an "if it ain't broke don't fix it (or even try to improve it)" attitude.

I'd dearly love Arsenal to go sh!t or bust against Bayern but can't shake the feeling that it will be a "The game's gone, don't get humiliated" performance. However I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

firstly the season has not ended and secondly we were top of the league for most of the season, that ios a serious title challenge. If we can beat city and chelsea we will be right up there.

[Champagne_Socialist]

It's great throwing the "Assist" stat out there, but that doesn't cover it all. I always prefer to look at the chances created stat, gives a much better indication of how a player is impacting a game.

Ozil is 3rd for assists and 5th for key passes in the EPL this season.

[CFCNick]

Now the players are getting in on the mind games.

Eden Hazard has backed Jose Mourinho's claims that Manchester City are title favourites because "They have better players."

[Stella]

They probably do, but Chelsea have the better manager.

[Fernando]

Citeh have better forwards & Centre midfield pairing but that's about it when you go man for man really.

Cech > Hart
Ivanovic < Zabaleta
Terry & Cahill > Kompany & Nastasic/Demichelis
Azpilicueta > Kolarov
Matic & Ramires < Toure & Fernandinho
Willian > Nasri/Navas
Hazard > Silva
Oscar - Can't compare unless move Silva inside which he rarely does nowadays.
Eto'o & Torres < Negredo & Aguero

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Is that really how you define it?

Well it seems your definition of success is to finish in 1st place. My definition of success is very different for each club eg Arsenal challenging for the title when we were favourites to drop out of the top 4 is success, Liverpool finishing in the top 4 is success, crysta palace avoiding relegation is success etc etc.

You don't have to fionish in 1st place in the epl to have had a successful season.

Not at all, but if you finish 4th or 3rd it's about as between success and failure as you'd get at Arsenal. Arsenal fans bemoaned Wenger not spending money, saying not throwing a big transfer in was why you weren't winning the league (paraphrasing it). You spend a big wad and you stay in the same place? Doesn't sound successful

But we're not in the same place, we are challenging for the title the season is not over. We could very well finish 2nd this year or even top if we beat man city and chelsea in the league. We are also on course for the FA cup which is a big success.

This season has been horrible for us with injuries, podolski was injured for 3 months, walcott injured for 6 months, ramsey injured for 3 months, wilshere injured for 8 weeks, ox injured for 2 months and yet we are still challenging for the title.

If we go by general consensus and formula, Arsenal are likely to finish third or fourth now. Agreed, the season isnt over, but on its current course its not looking fandabbydoozy.

You're a side that should be able to deal with them really. Had about two players of note injured at one time (the same time I mean) and as a top four side, that should be manageable.

Moreover, why is Ozil's signing the definition of success when clearly the form of Ramsey and the return of Flamini have both arguably been more important?

[CFCNick]

Stop posting on the matter now. Dolph wins for using the word fandabbydoozy.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I think you summed this debate up Dolph when you said that certain posters were deliberately muddying the waters by suggesting that being a good buy means he's had a world class season. It's boring and a pointless debate, the majority can't be wrong and the minority are incredibly biased.

[socal1976]

Look, I'm a huge fan of Ozil, and woulda preferred it if we had kept the £50m net, & Ozil.

I'm a bit surprised stats have been completely ignored from the discussion, or treated like irrelevant "by the ways"...while not baseball or cricket, football, too has  enough handy stats... I mean I'm sorry, but we are talking about a result-based business, not freaking comparing The Black Album with The Blueprint I. Arsenal rightly get criticised for not having won anything since before Moses parted the Red Sea, but I don't see any non-Arsenal fan defending it by saying, "I don't need statistics to tell me Arsenal have played well over the last 80 years".... Stats aren't the only indicator of a good player, but you won't find too many good players who don't have the stats to back it up

Also - "Suarez is better than Ibra"...  


I mean... ... no really

What gave it away? His outstanding record in Holland? or his outstanding  record vs The big teams in the EPL?
Maybe it's his ability to have missed 25 games in the last five years to suspension... without one single red card.

You should catch up on the thread or read it more carefully KR. The Arsenal fans had loads of stats to prove that Ozil was better than, I am not kidding here Coutinho and Lallana. In fact, if you look at Ozil's stats he has produced more when looking at goals and assists combined than either Mata/Silva/ and Oscar. But somehow the British media isn't crucifying those 3 players as gigantic flops and chokers.

What is so funny about Suarez being better than Ibra. Ibra was a giant flop at Barca and plays in a pretty weak league. He is a world class player but I would rather have Suarez than Ibra. I think Suarez' work rate and pace give him the nod for me over Ibramovich. The guy is averaging a goal a game in the premier league despite missing 6 league matches to suspension. My only problem with Suarez is that when he bit Ivanovic he didn't fully commit and take his ear off. I would have liked to see Suarez eat Ivanovic's liver with some fawa beans and a fine chianti. Ivanovic is a chippy sod who was tugging and pulling him like a drunken teenager pawing his girlfriend on prom night.

Ibra never flopped at Barca, he scored on average 1 goal every 2 games and only left because he fel out massively with Pep. At this present time I would rather have Ibra because he is banging in the goals in ligue 1, in the champions league and for sweden in international football. In terms of who I would rather Arsenal bought then it would probably be Suarez because Ibra is about 32 whilst Suarez is 27. No matter how great youa re age will catch up with you at some point.

Maybe flopped is a bit harsh but he didn't impress. I am not saying he  pulled a Soldado type failure act. But that being said his play didn't meet the expectations of the club, their fans, his coaches, or the media. He failed to play well enough to solidify his hold on the position. Just like standards for success are different at different clubs, the same can be said for players at those clubs. I mean a goal every other game might be lauded at the vast majority of clubs but at Barca the last few years that isn't viewed as anything special for their striker. At some clubs you would be a legend if you could give them a goal every third or fourth match. Look at Benzema, last year Madrid wanted to get rid of him and they still might end up selling him off despite the fact that he is pretty close to a goal every other match. Now Benzema is scoring for fun this year particularly the second half of the season so the clamour has subsided. Giroud is scoring a goal pretty much every other match at Arsenal (this season) and the consensus opinion is that Arsenal need to upgrade. Now I am not equating Giroud to Ibra, but playing in the high scoring la liga, with the midfield Ibra was playing for, and considering the success of others who filled that role before and after him; well he didn't cut it. Maybe he wasn't a flop or failure, but he was underwhelming enough that the coach would want to or could get rid of him. For a player considered for years as one of the greatest strikers in the game he failed to live up to the albeit exacting standards of the club he played for.

Suarez has also done amazingly well for Uruguay's national team leading them to the last South American title and his strike rate for Uruguay is pretty much equal to Ibra's.

[socal1976]

Is that really how you define it?

Well it seems your definition of success is to finish in 1st place. My definition of success is very different for each club eg Arsenal challenging for the title when we were favourites to drop out of the top 4 is success, Liverpool finishing in the top 4 is success, crysta palace avoiding relegation is success etc etc.

You don't have to fionish in 1st place in the epl to have had a successful season.

Not at all, but if you finish 4th or 3rd it's about as between success and failure as you'd get at Arsenal. Arsenal fans bemoaned Wenger not spending money, saying not throwing a big transfer in was why you weren't winning the league (paraphrasing it). You spend a big wad and you stay in the same place? Doesn't sound successful

But we're not in the same place, we are challenging for the title the season is not over. We could very well finish 2nd this year or even top if we beat man city and chelsea in the league. We are also on course for the FA cup which is a big success.

This season has been horrible for us with injuries, podolski was injured for 3 months, walcott injured for 6 months, ramsey injured for 3 months, wilshere injured for 8 weeks, ox injured for 2 months and yet we are still challenging for the title.

If we go by general consensus and formula, Arsenal are likely to finish third or fourth now. Agreed, the season isnt over, but on its current course its not looking fandabbydoozy.

You're a side that should be able to deal with them really. Had about two players of note injured at one time (the same time I mean) and as a top four side, that should be manageable.

Moreover, why is Ozil's signing the definition of success when clearly the form of Ramsey and the return of Flamini have both arguably been more important?

What are you talking about we lost our best player this year, our top goal scorer from last year, and our player of the year from last year. Injuries are part of the game but Arsenal this season has easily had the most and most damaging injuries of any top side. You call it an excuse, one man's excuse is another one's explanation or analysis. And we aren't talking about players missing a couple of weeks or month here, we are talking about a host of internationals and stars being out for months and months on end. Look how crappy United played this year when RVP and Rooney where injured or how the loss of Fernandino, Aguero, and earlier in the year Kompany damaged City. And neither of those clubs had anywhere near the injury issues Arsenal has had.

[Fernando]

Take Note Ashley Young & Oscar & Santi Cazorla & Mr Chompy   

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Did I call it an excuse? Basically, you've had two very good players out at once (three if we count Wilshere but it hardly does, like counting Kieron Dyer). I accept thats difficult, but so is winning a title.

My premise is that if you want to play with the big boys, two injuries is part and parcel. You have the funds and the position to deal with Ramsey and Walcott being injured. If you dont, youre not good enough to win stuff.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Did I call it an excuse? Basically, you've had two very good players out at once (three if we count Wilshere but it hardly does, like counting Kieron Dyer). I accept thats difficult, but so is winning a title.

My premise is that if you want to play with the big boys, two injuries is part and parcel. You have the funds and the position to deal with Ramsey and Walcott being injured. If you dont, youre not good enough to win stuff.

We're on track to win the FA cup this year   

[socal1976]

Did I call it an excuse? Basically, you've had two very good players out at once (three if we count Wilshere but it hardly does, like counting Kieron Dyer). I accept thats difficult, but so is winning a title.

My premise is that if you want to play with the big boys, two injuries is part and parcel. You have the funds and the position to deal with Ramsey and Walcott being injured. If you dont, youre not good enough to win stuff.

Inaccurate Dolph. At the early part of the season we didn't have Ox, Poldi, Santi, and then Theo went out for a couple of months with his first injury this year (he had two lengthy injuries in this season also during this period Arteta was also out. So it wasn't just an average of two injuries per month. Again, it is also the quality of the players we are talking about. You can replace some injuries a lot easier than others. It isn't a coincidence that when Aaron went out and then Theo went out that Arsenal's form took a big dip. Hell we had so many injuries that at one point we played Bendnter.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Well then maybe Wenger should've accounted for some injuries and purchased some depth not splashing it all on one player

[Duty281]

Did I call it an excuse? Basically, you've had two very good players out at once (three if we count Wilshere but it hardly does, like counting Kieron Dyer). I accept thats difficult, but so is winning a title.

My premise is that if you want to play with the big boys, two injuries is part and parcel. You have the funds and the position to deal with Ramsey and Walcott being injured. If you dont, youre not good enough to win stuff.

We're on track to win the FA cup this year   

How many times have I heard that through the years!

We're on track to win the PL (till Gallas starts crying), the CL (till Ronaldo cuts through you/RVP gets sent off), the League Cup (till Martins pops up) and so on and so forth.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Well then maybe Wenger should've accounted for some injuries and purchased some depth not splashing it all on one player

No team could handle having 4 key 1st team midfielders out injured at the same time as well as arsenal have. On track to win the fa cup and still challenging for the league.

[socal1976]

Well then maybe Wenger should've accounted for some injuries and purchased some depth not splashing it all on one player

Yes he should have done what Spurs did and instead of adding world class quality he should have added 7 pieces of crap, which most of whom will never pan out. Buying a bunch of players and incorporating them into a team is not easy as AVB found out.

[socal1976]

Did I call it an excuse? Basically, you've had two very good players out at once (three if we count Wilshere but it hardly does, like counting Kieron Dyer). I accept thats difficult, but so is winning a title.

My premise is that if you want to play with the big boys, two injuries is part and parcel. You have the funds and the position to deal with Ramsey and Walcott being injured. If you dont, youre not good enough to win stuff.

We're on track to win the FA cup this year   

How many times have I heard that through the years!

We're on track to win the PL (till Gallas starts crying), the CL (till Ronaldo cuts through you/RVP gets sent off), the League Cup (till Martins pops up) and so on and so forth.

Great Duty, we know that you and many others are all desperate for Arsenal to fail so you can descend upon Wenger and the club like a bunch of vultures and feast on the remains. Pretty pathetic and negative attitude if you ask me.

[socal1976]

Oh for FFS, Mike Dean appointed to ref the Arsenal v. Spurs match in league. Arsenal are basically down 1-0 before the match even starts. This guys shouldn't be reffing any matches and certainly not Arsenal matches. Please god let mike Dean be struck by lightening or hit by bus between now and this weekend. Easily the worst official in England and that is saying a lot.

[CFCNick]

Don't worry Socal. The ref tonight is in your favour. He gave you a dodgy decision that turned into a goal against Bayern last season.

[socal1976]

We need all the luck we can get, but frankly I am not too optimistic about this trip to Munich.

[Hammersmith harrier]

We very nearly coped with having NINE defenders out at the same time, you wouldn't have heard us moaning about it, it's all a part of football.

[GSC]

I'm pretty sure we did actually

[lfc91]

We very nearly coped with having NINE defenders out at the same time, you wouldn't have heard us moaning about it, it's all a part of football.

At one point this year liverpool had the entire starting back 4 out aswell as lucas and sturridge. Got that bad that ally cissohko was starting every game ffs!! But like everyone keeps saying, injuries are part of the game so no need for arsenal fans to keep harping on about how bad they have had it.

[Duty281]

Did I call it an excuse? Basically, you've had two very good players out at once (three if we count Wilshere but it hardly does, like counting Kieron Dyer). I accept thats difficult, but so is winning a title.

My premise is that if you want to play with the big boys, two injuries is part and parcel. You have the funds and the position to deal with Ramsey and Walcott being injured. If you dont, youre not good enough to win stuff.

We're on track to win the FA cup this year   

How many times have I heard that through the years!

We're on track to win the PL (till Gallas starts crying), the CL (till Ronaldo cuts through you/RVP gets sent off), the League Cup (till Martins pops up) and so on and so forth.

Great Duty, we know that you and many others are all desperate for Arsenal to fail so you can descend upon Wenger and the club like a bunch of vultures and feast on the remains. Pretty pathetic and negative attitude if you ask me.

No socal, I love Arsenal and, as previously stated, I would prefer them to win the league over Citeh and Chelski..and the CL, although there's little chance of that now.

Sadly the behaviour of you and C_S - everything's a conspiracy, injury this, bad referee this etc. - rather makes me want to see Arsenal lose, even though I'm pretty sure the majority of Arsenal fans are better than that.

Similar to some Welsh rugby fans on this board - even though I don't generally mind their team, some of their antics on this forum makes it rather amusing when they lose.

Same situation here, I guess.

[Duty281]

Oh for FFS, Mike Dean appointed to ref the Arsenal v. Spurs match in league. Arsenal are basically down 1-0 before the match even starts. This guys shouldn't be reffing any matches and certainly not Arsenal matches. Please god let mike Dean be struck by lightening or hit by bus between now and this weekend. Easily the worst official in England and that is saying a lot.

And this is pretty much what I have in mind.

Pathetic.

[compelling and rich]

Did I call it an excuse? Basically, you've had two very good players out at once (three if we count Wilshere but it hardly does, like counting Kieron Dyer). I accept thats difficult, but so is winning a title.

My premise is that if you want to play with the big boys, two injuries is part and parcel. You have the funds and the position to deal with Ramsey and Walcott being injured. If you dont, youre not good enough to win stuff.

We're on track to win the FA cup this year   

How many times have I heard that through the years!

We're on track to win the PL (till Gallas starts crying), the CL (till Ronaldo cuts through you/RVP gets sent off), the League Cup (till Martins pops up) and so on and so forth.

Great Duty, we know that you and many others are all desperate for Arsenal to fail so you can descend upon Wenger and the club like a bunch of vultures and feast on the remains. Pretty pathetic and negative attitude if you ask me.

why do we need to when arsenal fans do it themsleves? werent the majority asking for his head last season. i always thought it was shocking treatment of a legend at your club. hell of a lot of fickle arsenal fans out there

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Did I call it an excuse? Basically, you've had two very good players out at once (three if we count Wilshere but it hardly does, like counting Kieron Dyer). I accept thats difficult, but so is winning a title.

My premise is that if you want to play with the big boys, two injuries is part and parcel. You have the funds and the position to deal with Ramsey and Walcott being injured. If you dont, youre not good enough to win stuff.

Inaccurate Dolph. At the early part of the season we didn't have Ox, Poldi, Santi, and then Theo went out for a couple of months with his first injury this year (he had two lengthy injuries in this season also during this period Arteta was also out. So it wasn't just an average of two injuries per month. Again, it is also the quality of the players we are talking about. You can replace some injuries a lot easier than others. It isn't a coincidence that when Aaron went out and then Theo went out that Arsenal's form took a big dip. Hell we had so many injuries that at one point we played Bendnter.

Youve not had an injury crisis. If you think what youve had is an injury crisis then youre lucky lucky boys. You're not good enough to win the league, Ozil isnt having a world class season. One of those is prediction, the other is a fact.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Did I call it an excuse? Basically, you've had two very good players out at once (three if we count Wilshere but it hardly does, like counting Kieron Dyer). I accept thats difficult, but so is winning a title.

My premise is that if you want to play with the big boys, two injuries is part and parcel. You have the funds and the position to deal with Ramsey and Walcott being injured. If you dont, youre not good enough to win stuff.

We're on track to win the FA cup this year   

How many times have I heard that through the years!

We're on track to win the PL (till Gallas starts crying), the CL (till Ronaldo cuts through you/RVP gets sent off), the League Cup (till Martins pops up) and so on and so forth.

Great Duty, we know that you and many others are all desperate for Arsenal to fail so you can descend upon Wenger and the club like a bunch of vultures and feast on the remains. Pretty pathetic and negative attitude if you ask me.

No socal, I love Arsenal and, as previously stated, I would prefer them to win the league over Citeh and Chelski..and the CL, although there's little chance of that now.

Sadly the behaviour of you and C_S - everything's a conspiracy, injury this, bad referee this etc. - rather makes me want to see Arsenal lose, even though I'm pretty sure the majority of Arsenal fans are better than that.

Similar to some Welsh rugby fans on this board - even though I don't generally mind their team, some of their antics on this forum makes it rather amusing when they lose.

Same situation here, I guess.

you have a negative attitude towards anything to do with Arsenal. I don't really care because your football knowledge is rather limited eg man u have the best team this year    or lallana/coutinho has been better than ozil this year   or you saying wenger is a failure   or you saying Arsenal have the weakest defence out of the top 5 yet we have conceded only 28 goals, only 1 more than city   

[Fernando]

Alan Pardew banned for 7 games, Not allowed in Stadium for 3 of them & Fined  60k

Better off being racist nowadays.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Alan Pardew banned for 7 games, Not allowed in Stadium for 3 of them & Fined  60k

Better off being racist nowadays.

Physical aggression should always be punished more than verbal aggression.

[CFCNick]

Alan Pardew banned for 7 games, Not allowed in Stadium for 3 of them & Fined  60k

Better off being racist nowadays.

Suarez got more games didn't he?

[Stella]

Pardew's other misdemeanours would have counted against him, no doubt.

[Fernando]

Alan Pardew banned for 7 games, Not allowed in Stadium for 3 of them & Fined  60k

Better off being racist nowadays.

Suarez got more games didn't he?

Yes Suarez did...John Terry got 4 for Racially Abusing Anton Ferdinand.

[CFCNick]

Terry wasn't found guilty though.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Can we please not bring politicised stuff into this. I know its fairly relevant, but it brings all the Walt Jr's from the Off Topic area in here

[Stella]

Terry wasn't found guilty though.

And he still got four games? Must admit, the whole affair bored me after a couple of days.

[Fernando]

Terry wasn't found guilty though.

He was by the FA which is what is relevant here and not the court of law    The fact is he was banned for 4 games for Racially Abusing an opponent by the FA.

[Guest]

Walt Jr's disability is physical...he's not mentality impaired...he's also fictional...I think.

[CFCNick]

Terry wasn't found guilty though.

He was by the FA which is what is relevant here and not the court of law    The fact is he was banned for 4 games for Racially Abusing an opponent by the FA.  

He wasn't found guilty of abuse, just that he said those words, he was also fined £500k. Half by the FA and half by Chelsea. So maybe that's why the ban was only four games.

[Fernando]

Terry wasn't found guilty though.

He was by the FA which is what is relevant here and not the court of law    The fact is he was banned for 4 games for Racially Abusing an opponent by the FA.  

He wasn't found guilty of abuse, just that he said those words, he was also fined £500k. Half by the FA and half by Chelsea. So maybe that's why the ban was only four games.

"The Football Association charged Mr Terry on Friday 27 July 2012 with using abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Queens Park Rangers' Anton Ferdinand and which included a reference to colour and/or race contrary to FA Rule E3 [2] in relation to the Queens Park Rangers FC versus Chelsea FC fixture at Loftus Road on 23 October 2011."

The FA seem to disagree with that Nick. You can it what you like Racist Abuse/Words it's abuse really though considering he used the f**king black c**t

[socal1976]

Did I call it an excuse? Basically, you've had two very good players out at once (three if we count Wilshere but it hardly does, like counting Kieron Dyer). I accept thats difficult, but so is winning a title.

My premise is that if you want to play with the big boys, two injuries is part and parcel. You have the funds and the position to deal with Ramsey and Walcott being injured. If you dont, youre not good enough to win stuff.

We're on track to win the FA cup this year   

How many times have I heard that through the years!

We're on track to win the PL (till Gallas starts crying), the CL (till Ronaldo cuts through you/RVP gets sent off), the League Cup (till Martins pops up) and so on and so forth.

Great Duty, we know that you and many others are all desperate for Arsenal to fail so you can descend upon Wenger and the club like a bunch of vultures and feast on the remains. Pretty pathetic and negative attitude if you ask me.

why do we need to when arsenal fans do it themsleves? werent the majority asking for his head last season. i always thought it was shocking treatment of a legend at your club. hell of a lot of fickle arsenal fans out there

There were a lot of ARsenal fans that wanted Wenger out, but they were the vocal minority. For a club used to winning 8 years without a trophy you can understand a lack of patience. Personally, I would want to keep Wenger even if we don't win a trophy this year precisely because there is no guarantee that changing the manager will result in a better manager than Wenger. And also because his reputation still allows him to draw top talent and I like the way his teams play. He also has an eye for young talent as well.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Walt Jr's disability is physical...he's not mentality impaired...he's also fictional...I think.

I just hate him

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Brunt out for 5-6 weeks for WBA is a blow

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