The SuperSaxons should just go for it

This patched-up England should just go all-out to just slaughter the weak Italian side. A fifty point margin should put a lot of grimaces on Irish faces and force them play catchup from the first whistle and fight the history books for 80 minutes.

England are in a no-lose situation anyway.

I'll laugh if Ireland put more points on the board against France than England do on Italy!!!

Hmmm................ no-lose situation? - only face

Good luck to the Saxons.  You'll win anyway - that's a fact.  50 points?  Also very doable for a slick and special and exceptional bunch of men that are Emerging England.

Go do what you must.

Grimaces on ancient Irish faces?  Probably...as that will mean they'll just have to embarrass France at home rather than just beating them in a humble way  
We don't like being ill mannered to the French as our history against them shows.

That's the beauty of a golden generation, Fly.
Much more exciting to have when they are young than when they are old.

I love our banters.  

SecretFly wrote:We don't like being ill mannered to the French as our history against them shows.

I had forgotten that the record in Paris was down to Ireland being gracious to their hosts.

If Ireland beat France we'll win the title. Italy will be at home and will have their two best players back.

I actually think England have been the most impressive side this year so if Ireland can't win it I hope England do. But it's in Ireland's hands to win it or throw it away.

France, playing shyte, have just pushed us (Ireland playing fancy Dan stuff) back down to 6th in the rankings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS............. is an outrage!  An International incident bigger than Crimea.

All bets are off as regards us being kind to them in Paris.  Prepare for evisceration, France!

Evisceration?   This isn't the 13th century is it?

Best England could do would be to just bribe the Italians in the good old 21st century way.
When in Rome and all that...

Bribe them, beat them and then eviscerate them. Try it, it's great for an appetite.   

Nowt for it but to go out and give it a lash, if we get a big score so be it. Personally I doubt it and reckon it will be 10-15 points at the most.

Evisceration is an essential process for all those Michelin-starred Parisian restaurants, SF.

Although I fancy that the plans in St Denis will be to make a bit of Pâté de Foie Irelandais.

Served on toast.

Yum O'Yum.
You can't beat those traditional French recipes.

So far in every game there have been several chances for tries England have created but executed poorly and missed out on. If that continues I don't think that they'll break 50.

I think they will definitely win by double digits but 50 is the minimum score they need to overtake Ireland on points difference... 60 should be the target. Remember when Ireland were in the same position in 2007? We got our 51 points alright... just conceded 24 in the process because we let ourselves get too fast and loose and played high-risk rugby. Italy have some tremendous backs who can really play in broken field situations so it has all the hallmarks of a  very entertaining game. If you look at some of the tries scored by Sarto, Campagnaro they have come out of nothing.

I'm really looking forward to this weekend. Attacking rugby is guaranteed here.

Pâté de Foie Irelandais. Oh my...and a rich food it is too but so very difficult on the stomach. Often sour, sometimes hot and frequently just goes off too early.

The toast should be nice though. French bread burned over a slow fire. I like mine virtually black...more crunch.

should be fun to watch. england have shown they are willing to throw the ball around.

no way can i see england getting close to 50 points though, not when italy know that's the target.

much more excited about the ireland france match though. nice to watch the decider without being on the roller coaster so to speak.

Bribe them, beat them and then eviscerate them

Then defenestrate the remains.

Defenestration used to be quite big on the continent, started at least one big war.

It just really annoys me when people think that the result vs Italy is guaranteed. It should be but it really isnt and they have caused us all sorts of problems in the last few years. Balshaw running through their defense for fun was a few years ago now.

lostinwales wrote:It just really annoys me when people think that the result vs Italy is guaranteed. It should be but it really isnt and they have caused us all sorts of problems in the last few years. Balshaw running through their defense for fun was a few years ago now.

Agree, mate. If matches were completely predictable, then there would be no upsets and no reason to actually play the games. I also don't care for the calls to run up the points. Secure the win first, then, once done, then go hellsbells to get the points over Ireland.

But when is a 'win' secured?  Heard the same for the Ireland v Italy game.  It does make me laugh a little.

Half time - England 22 - 10.  Win secured playing carefully enough.  Let's do the points chase in the second half.

Second Half - Care injured and out in the first 2 minutes.  Lawes red carded for a tip tackle after 7 minutes.  Italy score another try and conversion.  Brown replaced because of an ankle strain.  Italy penalty - 3 points.  Italy beginning to believe now and pushing England back heavily into defence.  Try attempt! - repelled by heroic England defence.
Penalty again to Italy three minutes from the end.

Final score: Italy 23 - England 22.

The game is never won until 80.  Best to chase after the tries and points needed from the very off.

I reckon that SL will have the game plan aind his instructions just as Schmidt did.

Just go for it. And maximise the diff.

Effectively there is no difference in the imperatives in Rnd 5 for either side.

England will not gain anything from an unsubstantial win. Neither will they lose anything from trying and failing to put the heebie-jeebies up the Oirish.

This really is a no lose situation for the Albion.

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more; Or close the wall up with our English dead 'n stuff.

Knowing the Italians at half time they will come into the English dressing room and offer to play for them instead.

Scratch wrote:Knowing the Italians at half time they will come into the English dressing room and offer to play for them instead.

Now that comment is very, very stereotypical of your xenophobia, Scratch.

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'
'n stuff.

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:

Scratch wrote:Knowing the Italians at half time they will come into the English dressing room and offer to play for them instead.

Now that comment is very, very stereotypical of your xenophobia, Scratch.

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'
'n stuff.

Xenophobia? Fear of foreigners?

How so? you obviously don't know your history.   

Peur des etrangers, Scratch?   

Moi, j'adore les francais egalement que les irelandais.

Et ca c'est beaucoup.

Pas si pour moi les gallois malheureusement.

Pas les Gallois, Portnoy?
Pourquoi pas? Où est l'amour?

Ils sont assez agreable en generale, doc. Mais je les trouve, peut-etre trop acerbe a mon gout (en bloc).
Donnez-moi les francais et les irlandais chaque fois. Particulairement ceux qui n'habitent pas les tres grandes villes.

On the other hand France may just go "Well if we can't win this the least we can do is make sure the Anglais don't".

Portnoy's Complaint wrote:Ils sont assez agreable en generale, doc. Mais je les trouve, peut-etre trop acerbe a mon gout (en bloc).
Donnez-moi les francais et les irlandais chaque fois. Particulairement ceux qui n'habitent pas les tres grandes villes.

OK, je vous comprends.
Je pense que les Parisiens ont changé au fil des années et sont maintenant assez sympa. Dans le sud, ils ont toujours été très bien.

il est intéressant de se rendre dans les villes de rugby dans le sud de la France pour voir de rugby. Les gens sont formidables.

Proof that England are going to go for more than just a win in Rome.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/10693749/Six-Nations-2014-England-take-to-the-deep-freeze-to-be-fresh-to-face-Italy-in-Rome-on-Saturday.html

I knew that it's all going space technology stuff with England now in advance of the WC.  Energy afterburners coming courtesy of Gatland Torture Chamber Theory.

Watch out Italy!.... waves upon waves of woe are coming down your channels for a full 80.

Proof?
Of what?  That their brains can be frozen?
Lordy, what will these people think of next?
If they want quick energy, eat a Dairy Milk FFS.

P.s. I have not bought into the cryo-theory completely. Still real disagreements about it, and I have seen some downside.

doctor_grey wrote:Proof?
Of what?  That their brains can be frozen?
Lordy, what will these people think of next?
If they want quick energy, eat a Dairy Milk FFS.

P.s. I have not bought into the cryo-theory completely.  Still real disagreements about it, and I have seen some downside.  

Downsides?  I'm probably certain there must be as every plus has a degree of minuses (no meals for free in this world and all that).  

But as a short term booster for important competitons?  I'd say there is a lot of planning for the management of such things to see how they work.

So not just the benefits being looked for and taken but also testing for those 'downsides' and what they might be.  That will be all part of this 6N for England.  They do do a lot of science when it comes down to sport and small margins.

Anyway, like I said on another thread a while back,  I think Wales are 'suffering' this year because I think Gatland has let his players off the hook for a while on that quick step process back to training readiness.  I'm sure he's all too aware of the downsides.  

Use Sparingly might be the buzzword on it.