Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[monty junior]

First topic message reminder :

It is kind of weird CS that Duty considers us an elite club and the quality of players (that Wenger has signed) and our CL football as the main reasons, but then he considers Wenger a failure. It looks like a logical inconsistency to me. And I can't name 10 clubs in Europe bigger or better than we are.

Bigger - Manchester United, Liverpool, AC Milan
Better - Chelsea, Manchester City, Barcelona, Real Madrid, PSG, Bayern Munich, Dortmund/Napoli.

There we go. The first three have better history and are a "bigger" club in that respect. The other seven are just...better.

Is that why Napoli got knocked of our CL group. Dortmund is nowhere near the team they were earlier in the year when we played in CL in terms of injuries and we split with them. If you really want to measure we have to look at criteria. If it is "better" I disagree certainly with regards to Dortmund and Napoli as of right now or throughout the season. Dortmund is behind Schalke and Leverkusen and neither one of those teams are all that mighty this year. Here are the teams if I am ranking the "better" aspect

1. Bayern
2. real
3. Barca
4. Chelsea
5. PSG
6. Juventus
7. Man City
8. Atleti
9. Arsenal

So Arsenal are in the top 10, even if you would rate Dortmund who is on the skids right now as being better, which I don't. Liverpool would have a fair shout right now at coming in ahead of us. That would still put us in the top 10 in terms of quality.

Dortmund are a fairly comfortable second now and are almost certainly in to the CL quarters. Depends what you regard as elite, for me the word elite is the very very best like Bayern, Real, Barca even Man U, teams who have a history of domestic and European domination. Arsenal are the level below, certainly no disgrace.

[The Special Juan]

Sturridge dived there. I know it and you know it.

[GSC]

Vidic sent off at OT vs Liverpool

Standard

[GSC]

That's a dive.

As bad as United have been, Liverpool really have had the rub of the green

[hampo17]

Vidic shouldn't have given him the opportunity to go down, a bad dive but an experienced defender should know better than to give him the chance.

Ahh Stevie, still no hat trick at OT for 77 years.

[GSC]

Lol

Justice really

[Dolphin Ziggler]

That is a dive, its still a stupid stupid tackle to try and make. But its definitely a dive

[NickisBHAFC]

Unlucky Gerrard. 

Game over though. Vidic what on earth are you thinking diving in like that.

[The Special Juan]

I'd ban Sturridge for the rest of the season too.

[GSC]

Vidic shouldn't have given him the opportunity to go down, a bad dive but an experienced defender should know better than to give him the chance.

Ahh Stevie, still no hat trick at OT for 77 years.

Come on. That's poor

[hampo17]

Have to say Neville is the best commentator sky have at the moment, he's been very unbiased today which must be hard for him.

That was more of a penalty.

[Born Slippy]

Lol that looked like another pen.

[Hulking_up]

Now that was a pen

[Guest]

Keep shouting Moyes, none of your players are listening. Terrible

Fergie looks happy   

Neville - `united been battered`

[NickisBHAFC]

Im gutted for Gerrard, most people should be. England legend. Chance to make history hatrick of penaltys!!! Poor lad!

It's game over though. 

Sturridge should be fined.

[hampo17]

Vidic shouldn't have given him the opportunity to go down, a bad dive but an experienced defender should know better than to give him the chance.

Ahh Stevie, still no hat trick at OT for 77 years.

Come on. That's poor

Why? If you give a striker an excuses to go down in this day and age they are going to go down, a defender with his experience must know this and it was a stupid tackle to try and make, what did he think was going to happen?

[GSC]

Surely that's a card or a pen?

[Born Slippy]

RVP has been awful in this match.

[GSC]

I will never buy the justification that the defender gave him a chance to dive.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

What a save!

[Hulking_up]

Keep shouting Moyes, none of your players are listening.

LMFAO

[hampo17]

Great save.

[Born Slippy]

Unreal save from De Gea.

[NickisBHAFC]

Save of the season. Amazing.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I will never buy the justification that the defender gave him a chance to dive.

I dont like it as justification either. Its fine to say to the defender, criticise the challenge etc, but it doesnt mean a forward can dive

[The Special Juan]

Yeah that one was a penalty

I think today is yet another defeat which is tough on Moyes. Ok, there's been nothing going forward yet again but if your defenders are giving away penalties left, right and centre then what can you do?

[hampo17]

Get in, 3-0. Game over, bring on the title race

[Duty281]

Im gutted for Gerrard, most people should be. England legend.

Sheesh, steady on!

[NickisBHAFC]

3-0. Nice finish. 

I would love it if Liverpool win the league. Chance for me to bring up the people who said Brendan Rodgers was a rubbish manager  

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I will never buy the justification that the defender gave him a chance to dive.

I dont like it as justification either. Its fine to say to the defender, criticise the challenge etc, but it doesnt mean a forward can dive

Its not a justification that's why.

[Duty281]

Get in, 3-0. Game over, bring on the title race

All the way now then!

[The Special Juan]

City are going to hammer Utd, aren't they?

[The Special Juan]

Get in, 3-0. Game over, bring on the title race

You won't win it. I want you to, but you won't.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Think RVP might like to reconsider whether everyone is in his space. I think it might well be that hes getting in the way

[hampo17]

Get in, 3-0. Game over, bring on the title race

You won't win it.  I want you to, but you won't.

We may not but this will be the closest race for some years and with Chelsea and City to come to Anfield it could be very close.

[The Special Juan]

Nice banner.

[GSC]

Did they overwater the penalty areas?

[mystiroakey]

Liverpool on another level. Should have had 5 pens today.

0-3 seriously flatters moyes.

Rooney needs to get out of this club.. Provided some decent balls for rvp just to feick up. Junazi as always also looks class and should get out as well.

[The Special Juan]

Get in, 3-0. Game over, bring on the title race

You won't win it.  I want you to, but you won't.

We may not but this will be the closest race for some years and with Chelsea and City to come to Anfield it could be very close.

Definitely. It'll be close but City's games in hand will swing it. I reckon you'll finish 2nd ahead of Chelsea and muller them at Anfield for good measure.

[GSC]

Funny game really. Liverpool in control but never really opened up United all that frequently prior to the red.

United poor, had their moments but never really made an opening. RVP awful, Mata marginalised, Carrick and Fellaini anonymous. Moyes needs to have a real rethink

[Born Slippy]

Yeah that one was a penalty  

I think today is yet another defeat which is tough on Moyes.  Ok, there's been nothing going forward yet again but if your defenders are giving away penalties left, right and centre then what can you do?

The problem is that he set the team out very open. I'm unconvinced you can play Mata in a midfield four and Januzaj also doesn't really add anything defensively. Against a team like Liverpool I would say you can only really play Mata behind the front man or as part of a front 3.

He also bottled taking RVP off who was very poor and waited too long to make any subs at all. Probably his worst match so far in the job.

[Hulking_up]

Love it

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

That was eerily Hughton-esque management from Moyes today

[mystiroakey]

When you say rethink gsc. Do you mean a new career?

[The Special Juan]

That was eerily Hughton-esque management from Moyes today

I was just thinking that!!

[mystiroakey]

This game should be a bit more competitive..

Totenham v Arsernal allways a buzzing fixture..

[The Special Juan]

There's always the Scottish League Cup final *cough*

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Utd have now lost more home league games than Norwich

Lolz

[mystiroakey]

I didnt watch the midweek games. I see ox was playing more central and had a blinder. That could be perfect for england if he stays there and keeps performing

[The Special Juan]

One for the statisticians - have all Vidic's PL red cards been against Liverpool?

[hampo17]

Oh dear Spurs.

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