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Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by GloriousEmpire Tue 18 Mar 2014, 12:01 am
Ireland are rightly celebrating their 6 nations triumph. And seeing bod off in fairy tale fashion.
But behind the smiles, will their be a nagging doubt that Saturdays heroic finale was just a forward pass from an action replay of the last minute capitulation to NZ?
Sexton missed another penalty from almost the exact spot he failed against NZ and then the defense creaked with time up on the clock and only a Tmo call on a forward pass prevented an almost carbon copy of the aviva stadium failure.
Ireland will have to look at their inability to stop direct runners crossing the gain line in the latter stages, at their game management and composure or any tilt at the World Cup will be futile.
Now onto France - their impetuous lack of consistency continues to let them down as did their lack of patience. Not learning from NZ's Irish come back, the French pushed a hasty pass when composure and recycling would've seen them nab the win.
But behind the smiles, will their be a nagging doubt that Saturdays heroic finale was just a forward pass from an action replay of the last minute capitulation to NZ?
Sexton missed another penalty from almost the exact spot he failed against NZ and then the defense creaked with time up on the clock and only a Tmo call on a forward pass prevented an almost carbon copy of the aviva stadium failure.
Ireland will have to look at their inability to stop direct runners crossing the gain line in the latter stages, at their game management and composure or any tilt at the World Cup will be futile.
Now onto France - their impetuous lack of consistency continues to let them down as did their lack of patience. Not learning from NZ's Irish come back, the French pushed a hasty pass when composure and recycling would've seen them nab the win.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by Feckless Rogue Tue 18 Mar 2014, 12:41 am
We have a very long history of conjuring up defeats from the jaws of victory. The last gasp defeats to Australia in '91, France in '07 and New Zealand in '13 being the most painful and well known. Even in the Grand Slam year of '09, we insisted on giving Wales one last crack at beating us with a penalty kick. Thankfully Jones missed. And thankfully France threw the ball forward at the weekend.
I don't know what it is about the Irish that makes them repeatedly do this or how it can be fixed. I'm sure Saint Joe is looking into it.
I don't know what it is about the Irish that makes them repeatedly do this or how it can be fixed. I'm sure Saint Joe is looking into it.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by profitius Tue 18 Mar 2014, 1:08 am
Feckless Rogue wrote:We have a very long history of conjuring up defeats from the jaws of victory. The last gasp defeats to Australia in '91, France in '07 and New Zealand in '13 being the most painful and well known. Even in the Grand Slam year of '09, we insisted on giving Wales one last crack at beating us with a penalty kick. Thankfully Jones missed. And thankfully France threw the ball forward at the weekend.
I don't know what it is about the Irish that makes them repeatedly do this or how it can be fixed. I'm sure Saint Joe is looking into it.
Ireland have to carry massive mental baggage in these types of matches too. Being constantly reminded that they've only won once in 42 years in France for example. The talk all week of a French backlash and how great the French are. That gets to the players.
POC mentioned it after the game that its an area they need to improve on.
Another way of looking at it is Ireland got over that hurdle against a French team that played well. Thats 3 games undefeated against France now and that if Ireland beat them next year at home it will be 4 games undefeated to France leading up to their world cup match.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by GloriousEmpire Tue 18 Mar 2014, 7:50 am
Hmm, not quite the same when the opposition probably should've scored and stolen the game and just fluffed their lines.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by GunsGerms Tue 18 Mar 2014, 9:19 am
GloriousEmpire wrote:Hmm, not quite the same when the opposition probably should've scored and stolen the game and just fluffed their lines.
Well like you say Ireland should have scored a few missed kicks. Sexton missed 2 or 3 fairly easy ones. It should have been a more comfortable win. He needs to improve his kicking or we need to consider another kicking option.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by Guest Tue 18 Mar 2014, 9:27 am
Not sure how you can use Sexton's lack of composure as a way of condemning Ireland and then in the same post use France's lack of composure (forward pass) as also a condemnation of Ireland.
Inconsistent. Biased.
When it comes down to it, the final score is the important thing. All teams choke at some point, not least New Zealand in the past, who had an unnecessarily close final with , yep , France, in the WC Final, but any way of just coming on top on the scoreboard is a good start. Or in the case of the WC, all that will matter anyway.
Inconsistent. Biased.
When it comes down to it, the final score is the important thing. All teams choke at some point, not least New Zealand in the past, who had an unnecessarily close final with , yep , France, in the WC Final, but any way of just coming on top on the scoreboard is a good start. Or in the case of the WC, all that will matter anyway.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by SecretFly Tue 18 Mar 2014, 9:30 am
France virtually always do a final ("if we get this score you won't have time to do anything about it") surge.
I was saying it all week in advance that Ireland have to be oh so careful of that last surge if the scores are close.
But you can only do what you can do. They were at home, they had the majority of the crowd behind them, the crowd hadn't turned on them, Ireland were beginning to feel a deja vu (not just as it relates to New Zealand but as it has always related to France); they could quite easily have mentally collapsed under the strain - but didn't.
But Didn't. That game is a genuine marker - a line in the sand. First we started in our history of games against them by getting well beaten by France, then we worked ourselves up to just getting beaten, then we achieved a draw (twice in the previous two years home and away) and now the close run victory. Psychologically, Ireland are in a good place going into next year and with a lot of work still to do and some first choice players still to be included in a Schmidt team.
France were flat out trying to drag that game back on their own territory and didn't manage it. There was a time a French team in that exact mood would have destroyed and humiliated Ireland.
I was saying it all week in advance that Ireland have to be oh so careful of that last surge if the scores are close.
But you can only do what you can do. They were at home, they had the majority of the crowd behind them, the crowd hadn't turned on them, Ireland were beginning to feel a deja vu (not just as it relates to New Zealand but as it has always related to France); they could quite easily have mentally collapsed under the strain - but didn't.
But Didn't. That game is a genuine marker - a line in the sand. First we started in our history of games against them by getting well beaten by France, then we worked ourselves up to just getting beaten, then we achieved a draw (twice in the previous two years home and away) and now the close run victory. Psychologically, Ireland are in a good place going into next year and with a lot of work still to do and some first choice players still to be included in a Schmidt team.
France were flat out trying to drag that game back on their own territory and didn't manage it. There was a time a French team in that exact mood would have destroyed and humiliated Ireland.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by GunsGerms Tue 18 Mar 2014, 9:30 am
Its just GE trying to get a dig in at Ireland while at the same time reminding everyone how NZ beat Ireland in November. Some fans have to make everything about their own team.
France played their best rugby in that match as they often do when they have just been blasted by the press so pretty happy with the win. Lets face it NZ almost threw it away v France in the WC final themselves.
France played their best rugby in that match as they often do when they have just been blasted by the press so pretty happy with the win. Lets face it NZ almost threw it away v France in the WC final themselves.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by SecretFly Tue 18 Mar 2014, 9:36 am
Yeah..Ireland remind me of the All Blacks 
Whad'ya think, GE? BTW, that French team, playing in that mood, on home ground, would have dragged the All Blacks just as close...again....and with the bounce of a ball here or there, taken it too.
Whad'ya think, GE? BTW, that French team, playing in that mood, on home ground, would have dragged the All Blacks just as close...again....and with the bounce of a ball here or there, taken it too.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by GunsGerms Tue 18 Mar 2014, 9:38 am
I think it has become fairly clear that if Sexton could improve his pressure kicking he would be the best out half in the world by a distance. To have won a Lions tour, three heineken cups and a six nations at 28 is fairly special.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by Barney McGrew did it Tue 18 Mar 2014, 10:09 am
France aren’t quite as bad as they seem. Hence Saturday’s performance was very good. However, they’re not as good as they seem. Hence they can’t string 2 good games together and ended up 4th. A fitting position for a half-decent side, and shows some improvement over last year. Who knows, in 5 years’ time they might even win it, stranger things have happened.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by fa0019 Tue 18 Mar 2014, 10:19 am
GunsGerms wrote:I think it has become fairly clear that if Sexton could improve his pressure kicking he would be the best out half in the world by a distance. To have won a Lions tour, three heineken cups and a six nations at 28 is fairly special.
He's improved with age no doubt and to be honest I would rate his kicking over halfpenny's.
Although I don't think FH's improve with age necessarily, Larkham won the world cup aged 25, JW at 24 and both played their best rugby from 21-25.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by GunsGerms Tue 18 Mar 2014, 10:20 am
How is his kicking better than 1/2p's? It clearly isnt.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by fa0019 Tue 18 Mar 2014, 10:21 am
Back to the post though... when have France ever not been described as good at home, dire away. They played 2 terrible matches, both away.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by fa0019 Tue 18 Mar 2014, 10:23 am
GunsGerms wrote:How is his kicking better than 1/2p's? It clearly isnt.
His rate is right up there. Halfpenny isn't some godlike player who re-wrote the rule book. He's good as in JW good... but still no where near the best in Morne Steyn (the best kicker I've ever seen). The 2 biggest kicks of his career... he missed remember.
Sexton is not in same league as Steyn but he's in the pack with the rest IMO.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by SecretFly Tue 18 Mar 2014, 10:35 am
fa0019 wrote:Back to the post though... when have France ever not been described as good at home, dire away. They played 2 terrible matches, both away.
Well wherever a WC has taken place, they've done reasonably okay. They've certainly been the most consistent of NH sides when the WC is concerned. So?
I go back to a point I've made often, especially when the old chestnut of post-Lions blues comes up. I've often said in response to that cliche that France look after France and couldn't care less about Lions or how badly Lions players feel or don't feel in the exhaustion stakes. The French have their own rhythms and their own priorities, and I'd guess WCs come higher in their planning than 6N titles.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by rainbow-warrior Wed 19 Mar 2014, 4:56 am
fa0019 wrote:GunsGerms wrote:I think it has become fairly clear that if Sexton could improve his pressure kicking he would be the best out half in the world by a distance. To have won a Lions tour, three heineken cups and a six nations at 28 is fairly special.
He's improved with age no doubt and to be honest I would rate his kicking over halfpenny's.
Although I don't think FH's improve with age necessarily, Larkham won the world cup aged 25, JW at 24 and both played their best rugby from 21-25.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by Hood83 Wed 19 Mar 2014, 7:27 am
fa0019 wrote:GunsGerms wrote:How is his kicking better than 1/2p's? It clearly isnt.
His rate is right up there. Halfpenny isn't some godlike player who re-wrote the rule book. He's good as in JW good... but still no where near the best in Morne Steyn (the best kicker I've ever seen). The 2 biggest kicks of his career... he missed remember.
Sexton is not in same league as Steyn but he's in the pack with the rest IMO.
Wasn't one of those kicks about 20 yards further than Morne Steyn can actually kick? Can't say I agree with this, Steyn's in the Patterson mould, deadly but in a short range. Maybe it's form, but 1/2p seems to nail them from miles away at horrible angles too.
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Re: Carbon Copy Blotted By French Haste
by GloriousEmpire Wed 19 Mar 2014, 7:37 am
Wow. Which planet have you been living on?
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