Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Rugby players are too fat to catch us Davie.

[MontysMerkin]

Anyone seen the TM Mini-Driver @ 12 deg? Looks an interesting concept (like the Callaway Deep)
If it's as easy to hit and as good as my RBZ 3 Wood, and goes further, I'll be bagging one.  Might be just the ticket to get my golf mojo back.

Just got the rbz 3 wood. Reckon it's about 10 yards behind my driver into the wind. I'm not convinced about the big headed driver myself. I've always wanted to try my g5 3 wood with a driver shaft. Goes like a missile off a tee peg!

[mystiroakey]

Ok just got back from golf in belgium and france

People told me that Royal Zoute was by the far best course in Belgium. Do they mean its the only Golf course in Belgium??

Its the worse golf course I have played for years - there are literally 10 better courses in the ghetto of Croydon than in Belgium.. The green keeper also decided as soon as we walked up to the tee on the only decent hole on the course (par 3) to remove the flag , stick it on a temp and then mow the green. If I had paid the standard green fee of 120 euros I would have demanded my money back. The condition was shocking and the course is uninteresting.


Excuse the rant...

But anyway the Belgium beers in brugge after made me forget that track of a course.

[mystiroakey]

"Anyone seen the TM Mini-Driver @ 12 deg? Looks an interesting concept"


I dunno mate - but at the moment i am using an Original 13 degree steel shafted PT titliest(tiny head). It does so many different things. So I like the sound of that club

[raycastleunited]

Anyone seen the TM Mini-Driver @ 12 deg? Looks an interesting concept (like the Callaway Deep)
If it's as easy to hit and as good as my RBZ 3 Wood, and goes further, I'll be bagging one.  Might be just the ticket to get my golf mojo back.

Do you mean this?

[JAS]

Evening all...been a bit quiet recently...entering the final stages of marathon preparation.
Managed to haul myself around Gambon twice today (Surrey Spitfire 20 miler based at Dunsfold Aerodrome - where they film Top Gear - 2 * 10 mile laps of the Aerodrome and surrounding countryside) Have struggled for most the winter with a longest run of only 13 miles so took a big gamble today stepping up to a 20 and came through with flying colours. 2:57:20 for 20m suggests that my target of 4 hours may still be on...very touch and go though. Got my race number through for London too (4658).

[incontinentia]

Good work Jas. Say, do any of you chaps run shorter distances? I am running 5k's recently with a goal of doing one in sub 20 minutes. Do you think this is a realistic goal for a reasonably athletic man?

[mystiroakey]

I can do 2 k in about 12 mins mate. Brought it down from 16 mins in a week.

That isn't good at all. I am not fit. But I think yes if you run every day you will manage it in a month or so. What's that 4 minute kilometers.. No problem once fitbat that short distance.

I have just got a cross trainer. Going to forget the running as I feel like I have bust my ankle. On it about 90 mins a day. Gonna crack on with that instead.

[incontinentia]

My best time for 5k so far is 25 mins, that's after about 4 attempts and not having done any running in the 6 months prior to that. Running on the street is quite dodgy though as I have poor peripheral vision.

Did you drown the shamrock mysti?!

[mystiroakey]

25 is still good mate. That means you are running constantly. small steps to build up the stamia levels i suppose.. But I really am no expert mate.. I usually exercise solid for a month a year to take the stone i put on for the rest of the year.

Yes I had a few for the paddies. Cant not really . Hope you had a good one   

Great 6 nations win by the way    Best quality tourny in years

[JAS]

25min for 5 k is decent if you've only attempted it 4 times. Running consistently 3-4 times a week you'd continue to shave a few seconds off that on a regular basis. If you'd really like to go lower over time then look at introducing interval work, hill reps etc. oh and you can also never do enough core work. Learn to love that burn from doing many many sit ups. Also important is a good stretching routine.

Too often in the past I've let myself go to seed after a marathon (it's the relief a relaxation after what is basically a long unforgiving grind).
This year though I think I will keep my hand in and look to do maybe a couple of 10ks and a half later in the year.

[incontinentia]

That missing plane is a real head-scratcher isn't it?

[super_realist]

That missing plane is a real head-scratcher isn't it?

I was thinking about it, and whilst the transponder being turned off is a weird one, there is no reason to presume anything other than a crash, and when you consider the area for potential crash zone then perhaps not surprising that it hasn't been found yet.

THere would have been over 200 mobile phones on that flight. If it was anything other than a crash, someone would have made contact.

[JAS]

...abducted by aliens!! :-p

[navyblueshorts]

...abducted by aliens!! :-p

Hmm. This is a Malaysian flight we're talking about, not a U.S. one.

[1GrumpyGolfer]

...abducted by aliens!! :-p

Hmm. This is a Malaysian flight we're talking about, not a U.S. one.

Abducted by Bhudda?

[GunsGerms]

That missing plane is a real head-scratcher isn't it?

I was thinking about it, and whilst the transponder being turned off is a weird one, there is no reason to presume anything other than a crash, and when you consider the area for potential crash zone then perhaps not surprising that it hasn't been found yet.

THere would have been over 200 mobile phones on that flight. If it was anything other than a crash, someone would have made contact.

Ever heard of a signal jammer? It probably was a crash but there are a few anomilies in the story. Apparently there is technology to detect high stress levels in the pitch of a voice that isnt detectable to the human ear. I think they were going to test the captain and first officers recordings to see if they were under abnormal levels of stress from a possible highjacking scenario.

[incontinentia]

At this point it seems the pilot(s) are responsible but to what end??

[SmithersJones]

I can't remember ever being so fascinated by a news story. Apparently the plane went up to 45,000 feet, then down very low. One theory suggests that that was to kill the passengers by decompressing the cabin (remember Payne Stewart?).

[1GrumpyGolfer]

But with that theory the pilots would also be in danger unless they had a secondary supply of oxygen.

[McLaren]

Surely the simple is more likely.


An electrical fire (possibly started by overheated front landing gear) takes out some of the transponders, and eventually starts to fill the cabin with smoke. As the pilots switch of the various circuits to isolate the fire I am sure many communication devices would become disabled.

In this scenario the left turn makes perfect sense as the pilot will be heading for the nearest long enough runway to land on. A quick look on google map reveals this place https://www.google.com/maps?t=h&ll=6.3283682,99.7329338&spn=0.0985074,0.1321536&output=classic directly on the flight path.

In getting there the people on board are rendered unconscious and the plane continues out over the indian ocean on autopilot until the fuel runs out or the fire breaks up the airframe. Just because CNN and the like feel the need to indulge action movie type plots does not make a hijacking a particularly likely outcome.

[navyblueshorts]

Right, and the pilots just happened to forget to send any distress signals....

[super_realist]

Also, given the time since the incident there would have been plenty time for polar orbiting 50cm resolution satellites to observe the area.

[incontinentia]

Surely the simple is more likely.


An electrical fire (possibly started by overheated front landing gear) takes out some of the transponders, and eventually starts to fill the cabin with smoke. As the pilots switch of the various circuits to isolate the fire I am sure many communication devices would become disabled.

In this scenario the left turn makes perfect sense as the pilot will be heading for the nearest long enough runway to land on.  A quick look on google map reveals this place https://www.google.com/maps?t=h&ll=6.3283682,99.7329338&spn=0.0985074,0.1321536&output=classic directly on the flight path.

In getting there the people on board are rendered unconscious and the plane continues out over the indian ocean on autopilot until the fuel runs out or the fire breaks up the airframe. Just because CNN and the like feel the need to indulge action movie type plots does not make a hijacking a particularly likely outcome.

Have you transcribed an article from an experienced pilot and tried to pass it off as your own opinion?? Tut tut   

[super_realist]

I can imagine Mac as an anti-establishment tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut job.

[McLaren]

Inco

No, that version of events has been all over the aviation forums from the moment the plane went missing.

Navy

It is possible the cockpit electronics were left largely inoperable because of the fire.

[super_realist]

MAc, why would a pilot and co pilot let a cockpit fire get so out of control that it burnt everything out including transponders, but somehow  the autopilot was undamaged, whilst the passengers simultaneously become  unconscious, and you don't think the pilots would have had time to register a mayday?

There will be a simple, rational explanation.

[incontinentia]

There is a theory of a cyber-hijacking also. Hacker controlling the plane via a mobile phone or usb stick!

[super_realist]

There is a theory of a cyber-hijacking also. Hacker controlling the plane via a mobile phone or usb stick!

      

[navyblueshorts]

Inco

No, that version of events has been all over the aviation forums from the moment the plane went missing.

Navy

It is possible the cockpit electronics were left largely inoperable because of the fire.  

Yep and it's possible that anything else could have happened as well. Why make up a series of events to justify a crash when the cumulative probability is tiny? So the pilots noticed nothing before their entire electronics were burnt out? That and the fact that there were no backup electronic systems that were separate from the primary system??? No passenger made any contact with any relative via mobile? The entire plane's electronics (but not it's engines or autopilot I note) were rendered inoperable by a fire small enough to go completely un-noticed until terminal damage was done? Somehow, instant decompression occurred and not one passenger got any emergency O2 supply?
Come on! There's more likelihood of the alien abduction theory...

[super_realist]

Indeed Navy, for someone who considers himself rational and a sceptic, it does seem rather a fallacious claim from Mac.

[McLaren]

Mechanical failure is more likely than some sort of far fetched hollywood hijack scenario.

[super_realist]

Indeed it is Mac, but the way in which you described it was rather fantastic.

You can't really say more than plane disappears, presumed crashed.

[MontysMerkin]

Would have turned out ok if Bruce Willis had been present.

[incontinentia]

Would have turned out ok if Bruce Willis had been present.

Investigators were hoping Casey Ryback's name would be on the passenger manifest.

[MontysMerkin]

With his 'unique' brand of chop suey, I'm sure Chef Ryback would have ensured that any terrorist chose the fish.

[pedro]

That missing plane is a real head-scratcher isn't it?

I was thinking about it, and whilst the transponder being turned off is a weird one, there is no reason to presume anything other than a crash, and when you consider the area for potential crash zone then perhaps not surprising that it hasn't been found yet.

THere would have been over 200 mobile phones on that flight. If it was anything other than a crash, someone would have made contact.

If the passengers didn't know they were off course they wouldn't have texted. And probably no signal in the middle of the sea anyway.

[pedro]

It seems Oscar Pistolius was sleeping with more than one loaded gun the night he shot his girlfriend. Apparently he was watching internet p0rn before she arrived.

[Davie]

It seems Oscar Pistolius was sleeping with more than one loaded gun the night he shot his girlfriend. Apparently he was watching internet p0rn before she arrived.

Perhaps he had a problem with his stump

[SmithersJones]

That missing plane is a real head-scratcher isn't it?

I was thinking about it, and whilst the transponder being turned off is a weird one, there is no reason to presume anything other than a crash, and when you consider the area for potential crash zone then perhaps not surprising that it hasn't been found yet.

THere would have been over 200 mobile phones on that flight. If it was anything other than a crash, someone would have made contact.

Surely that would require a catastrophic mid-air failure leading to instantaneous death for all the passengers? Anything else and someone would have been on their phone. And as I understand it, that's been ruled out.

[super_realist]

That missing plane is a real head-scratcher isn't it?

I was thinking about it, and whilst the transponder being turned off is a weird one, there is no reason to presume anything other than a crash, and when you consider the area for potential crash zone then perhaps not surprising that it hasn't been found yet.

THere would have been over 200 mobile phones on that flight. If it was anything other than a crash, someone would have made contact.

Surely that would require a catastrophic mid-air failure leading to instantaneous death for all the passengers? Anything else and someone would have been on their phone. And as I understand it, that's been ruled out.

A rapid decompression a la Payne Stewart could have killed everyone pretty much instantly, and even with oxygen, it wouldn't last long.
I can't understand why everyone jumps to a conspiracy theory at times like this, there's always a simple explanation.

[incontinentia]

Why do you reckon it climbed to 45000 feet then descended to 23000??

If it flew until it ran out of fuel I think that suggests there was no-one at the controls. How that came about is anyone's guess.

I see they have discovered possible wreckage in the south indian ocean off Australia.

[MontysMerkin]

Why do you reckon it climbed to 45000 feet then descended to 23000??

The autopilot was probably being re-inflated like in airplane....
Roger, Roger.

[pedro]

Why do you reckon it climbed to 45000 feet then descended to 23000??

If it flew until it ran out of fuel I think that suggests there was no-one at the controls. How that came about is anyone's guess.

I see they have discovered possible wreckage in the south indian ocean off Australia.

Some comments:
-There's no mobile coverage in the middle of the ocean. If you're just 20-30 km off-shore (maybe a bit more if you're flying) you can text or call as crazy as you want - nothing will happen.
-If the plane lost pressure / oxygen it could explain why it descended to 23,000 ft.
-I bet you, the "wreckage" they've found "just under the surface" are just whales. 24 meters long and one smaller. Perfect for a whale + calf.

[super_realist]

Whales don't have the spectral signature of metal.
The satellite image was multi spectral. You can tell the difference very easily using image processing, or at least a decent analyst would.

[pedro]

Whales don't have the spectral signature of metal.
The satellite image was multi spectral. You can tell the difference very easily using image processing, or at least a decent analyst would.

Well I saw the images on the internet. Could've been whales.

[Bob_the_Job]

It could have been a lot of things. It can't be ruled out as being bits of plane so it has to be investigated. The Australians are talking about it being a credible sighting, so I would guess/hope they are going on more than just eye-balling the images.

[super_realist]

Could have been, if you only look in panchromatic and only use the human eye for photogrametry, but they contain more information that you think, to put it simply, you can turn various frequencies within a multispectral image on/off to get various effects. Certain materials absorb/reflect at different rates so you can easily pick out objects from background noise, and you can tell a metal object from meat i.e a whale.
So you could have two objects which are identical in size and shape, but made of different materials and although you couldn't tell from the normal image using your eye, apply some techniques and they'd appear completely differently in regards to their spectral response.
SImilar to vegetation surveys, land classification etc

THey will have checked on that before sending out boats/planes 2000 miles into the indian ocean.
There you go, you can say you've learned something today.

[mystiroakey]

"THey will have checked on that before sending out boats/planes 2000 miles into the indian ocean"

any excuse- the whole thing could just be a con to investigate that part of the world.

Britain are sending boats and stuff out there- but why do we need to!!

why waste money to get involved! surely a local nation can investigate ffs.

I never understand why we get involved in something nothing to do with us unless its for other reasons

[super_realist]

Why would you need a con to investigate international waters?

Britain happen to have some seismic vessels out in the area. Why wouldn't they help if they could?

[Bob_the_Job]

I never understand why we get involved in something nothing to do with us unless its for other reasons

Good to see humanity is alive and well.

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