Wilder v Klitschko

What chance would you give Wilder in this? I really think he has a good one. Klitschko is technically better in the basics department and more experienced (but older). His career has been spent facing absolute crap though, especially lately. Wilder is a monster puncher, pretty good athlete and reasonably quick. Klitschko seldom faces anyone with all of these combined attributes. I think the fight will 100% never happen because both sides wont fancy it enough but I think Wilder is all wrong for Klitschkos standard jab and grab routine and Klitschko would sh1t himself against that sort of opponent.

I'd have Wilder as a very live underdog, even if the fight happened now.

Whether or not Wilder, as a complete package, is the real deal is still open for debate, but there's nothing debatable or dubious about his power - he's packing absolute dynamite in his fists. I'm convinced that a couple of Wilder's bombs would have Wladimir in a world of trouble.

That's the thing though, would he land them? Wlad's the better all-round boxer as things stand and has learned to protect that chin very, very well. Wilder's got the height and reach, and seems to have decent athleticism, but we haven't really seen how he is in the brute strength and muscle department yet. I can't really remember seeing Wilder fight on the inside yet, largely because he hasn't had to. If Wlad turns out to be the physically stronger man of the pair, and if Wilder hasn't adapted his style to the pros enough to mix it inside, then I think Wlad would work his way to a dull decision.

I know people have speculated that Wilder's chin isn't too clever either, but I have doubts about whether Wlad would be able to get a stoppage here because he'd be fighting very, very cautiously, mindful of Wilder's power. Wladimir can take the fight to someone and deliver anvil blows when he wants, but as I've said before, it's no coincidence that, in his sixteen consecutive world title fights since 2006, the other belt holders he's faced in unifications (ergo, the better, more dangerous and talented Heavies he's faced!) have all taken him the distance - Ibragimov, Haye and Povetkin. The other one was Chagaev, but even then that was a corner retirement and Chagaev didn't have anything like the power Wilder has.

Wladimir by decision would be the obvious bet for me, but I think Wilder would be very, very dangerous for him, even now. Doubt we'll ever see it though, mainly for the reasons you've already said.

Its the Wlad jab and grab all night long to a points win imo.

Both have dodgy chins but Wlad has learned how to protect it now. Wilder, beleive me, will fall should he get tagged.

I do want to jump on the Wilder band wagon, but I still havent seen him take a decent shot. Especially after rumours of his chin, jury is still out for me.

You cant deny he packs a decent punch though and he would stand a chance of beating anyone in the heavyweight divison.

After dismissing Wilder for years i think this is all of a sudden the heavyweight fight I want to see most!

In theory Wilder is everything that Wlad doesn't like but he is good enough?

Has Wilder done anything that David Price wouldn't have done to his opposition?

Still too many question marks but as I said I want to see it.

Can only see a Wlad points win, for reasons stated by Chris, but its certainly the most dangerous fight for Wlad

Anyone know how wilder is doing for figures in the US? I'd imagine that they have taken well to a home grown wrecking ball in the heavyweight division. If so then money could talk for getting him and Wlad together in a year or so's time. As much money as Wlad makes in Europe this could be the golden ticket in America at last. Suddenly the thought of 'toughest challenge to date' doesnt sound too bad and if he is stronger or Wilder is a hype job it could turn at (with a lot of concentration) to be an easy nights work.

For me David Haye had more movement, better defence, as strong a punch (actually in both hands). And we seen what Wladimir did there. Stay out of Wilders long range and slip his right hand and he is lost IMO.

His inexperience at fighting high standard opponents would see him commit career suicide being thrown in against Wlad.

But Wlad won't be able to grab, hold and wrestler Wilder as easily as he can someone like Haye. Presents a different problem that Wlad will counteract by staying cautious behind the jab I reckon

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:For me David Haye had more movement, better defence, as strong a punch (actually in both hands). And we seen what Wladimir did there. Stay out of Wilders long range and slip his right hand and he is lost IMO.

His inexperience at fighting high standard opponents would see him commit career suicide being thrown in against Wlad.

Has Wlad ever slipped a punch in his career? The main reason he doesn't get hit is his opponents rarely if ever have any kind of advantage in the reach department.

Wilder could theoretically jump all over Wlad, he could also theoretically catch him and beat him but it would not stop me thinking, for a second, that Wilder is absolute shyte!!

DAVE667 wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:For me David Haye had more movement, better defence, as strong a punch (actually in both hands). And we seen what Wladimir did there. Stay out of Wilders long range and slip his right hand and he is lost IMO.

His inexperience at fighting high standard opponents would see him commit career suicide being thrown in against Wlad.

Has Wlad ever slipped a punch in his career? The main reason he doesn't get hit is his opponents rarely if ever have any kind of advantage in the reach department.

Wilder could theoretically jump all over Wlad, he could also theoretically catch him and beat him but it would not stop me thinking, for a second, that Wilder is absolute shyte!!

So Wilder beats the main man in the division, who is undefeated in years and you would still think he is shyte? What would he have to do! I dont rate him at the moment but if he does that I would change my opinion on him

Bebop wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:For me David Haye had more movement, better defence, as strong a punch (actually in both hands). And we seen what Wladimir did there. Stay out of Wilders long range and slip his right hand and he is lost IMO.

His inexperience at fighting high standard opponents would see him commit career suicide being thrown in against Wlad.

Has Wlad ever slipped a punch in his career? The main reason he doesn't get hit is his opponents rarely if ever have any kind of advantage in the reach department.

Wilder could theoretically jump all over Wlad, he could also theoretically catch him and beat him but it would not stop me thinking, for a second, that Wilder is absolute shyte!!

So Wilder beats the main man in the division, who is undefeated in years and you would still think he is shyte?  What would he have to do!  I dont rate him at the moment but if he does that I would change my opinion on him

Tyson Fury could theoretically catch Wlad with a shot and bowl him over...it wouldn't negate the obvious flaws in him would it? Same principle applies to Wilder. Watch the YouTube footage of David Haye making Wilder look like a chump in sparring and then climb back onto the bandwagon.

People on this site are fickle..Wilder bombs one guy out and people are dribbling over a fight with Wlad..

I think Wilder is ordinary...Couldn't lace Greg Page's boots...Even Bonectusher was more skilled..

Sure he'll do better than Hsye who crapped it..

But he gets messed around and stopped in 4..

Won't happen though because like the rest he'll wait Wlad out..

I'm not necessarily rating him truss. I still think he fits his name too much. Doesn't look a boxer at all. Probably just needs an elusive fighrer to bring him down to earth. But he does have power and he is getting talked about in the media at the moment. If he is bad then he would probably step in the ring now rather than getting found out for a fraction of the money. As I say all depends on how he is viewed in the states though. Can't see it selling in europe any bigger than any other of Wlads fights.

Im on no bandwagon, if you read my post I say I dont think we have seen enough of Wilder to really know what he is about at the very top level, and i think Wlad wins.

I do want to see the fight, only because of the absence of any other fight that makes as much sense

But if he was to legitimately beat the number 1 in the division I would have to change my mind.

Similar applies to Tyson Fury.  Except in this case I have seen too much of him,  but again, beat the man at the top and you have to have something about you.

All you need to sell the fight

I'm sold Adam. Can end all this trouble of late.

Bebop wrote:Im on no bandwagon, if you read my post I say I dont think we have seen enough of Wilder to really know what he is about at the very top level, and i think Wlad wins.

I do want to see the fight, only because of the absence of any other fight that makes as much sense

But if he was to legitimately beat the number 1 in the division I would have to change my mind.

Similar applies to Tyson Fury.  Except in this case I have seen too much of him,  but again, beat the man at the top and you have to have something about you.

I suppose Rahman beating Lewis made him something special did it?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:People on this site are fickle..Wilder bombs one guy out and people are dribbling over a fight with Wlad....

Yep, and Joshua bombs out a small handful of journeymenand it's already been enough for you to proclaim that he's the next undisputed Heavyweight champion, beefster! "Steak in a division of hamburgers" or something along those lines, wasn't it? Those in glass houses and all that.   

Even Wladimir's biggest fans would have to admit that there's been an air of repetitiveness and inevatibility about his title defences since Haye. Wilder would at least be bringing something a little different to the table, and with Wlad's history it would be fair to suggest that Wilder's big-time power would give him a much better shot of causing an upset than the likes of Mormeck, Thompson, Wach and Pianeta had.

Nobody's dribbling over Wilder or saying that Wlad is ducking him etc - we just think it'd be an intrigue to see how Wladimir approaches the biggest puncher he's faced in years, and we want to find out if Wilder is the real deal, as we've already been waiting for him to step up for a couple of years. There's an interesting angle on the part of both men, for me.

Did I say special?  no, Rahman clearly had some talent, by no means special but I would not describe him as Shyte.

I think we probably have different definitions of the word, I reserve it for the absolute dross that come in 80lbs overweight and make absolutely no fight of it what so ever

Would be a mismatch

spencerclarke wrote:I'm sold Adam. Can end all this trouble of late.

If I can change and you can change, we can all change.

What state would the world be in if rocky hadn't come out with thos words? Well a soviet one probably

Rocky has come out ??..

Is nothing sacred..

I would like to see Wilder in with Tony Thompson. If he can cope with Thompsons ring intelligence/ experience and knocks him out then I'd back him to knock out Wlad. He only needs to land once to send Wlad to queer street.

Can't help but think Wlad's fundamentals would make Wilder look like a league below.

He has the power but his punches are wild and Wlad would be able to make him miss with distance and his wide stance and box his head off with straight jabs.

Wilder would have a punchers chance but I would be very surprised if he was able to land cleanly.

An exciting fighter but until he has fought at a level anywhere near the quality of Wlad it's hard to see him being good enough.

I've said Joshua is the man all along Chris..

What has that got to with being fickle...

Wilder has gone from chump to decent by beating a stiff..

Wilder vs price would be interesting

Diamond in the rough wrote:Wilder vs price would be interesting

For the ten seconds it takes for Wilder to get price out of there

Bebop wrote:Did I say special?  no, Rahman clearly had some talent, by no means special but I would not describe him as Shyte.

I think we probably have different definitions of the word, I reserve it for the absolute dross that come in 80lbs overweight and make absolutely no fight of it what so ever

Let's leave Rocky Fielding out of this yeah?

bhb001 wrote:

Diamond in the rough wrote:Wilder vs price would be interesting

For the ten seconds it takes for  Wilder to get price out of there

Or the other way around

Even if Wilder has a poor chin, Klitschko does too and they would both certainly have the power to knock each other out. Wilder is more aggressive though and if he attacks Klitschko I think he gives him nightmares. I dont see any comparison with Haye. A much smaller fighter who only had one gear - reverse - against Klitschko. Klitschkos last fight was against a pudgy smaller heavyweight who at least gave it a go and he was all over the place grabbing on at every opportunity. Wilder is all wrong for him. A monstrous punching, big athletic heavyweight who comes for the knockout. I think he has a good chance.

Its a very intriguing fight, not seen anybody as powerful as wilder in a long time. IFF he hits Wlad with one of those bombs you better believe Wlad is going down and possibly staying down. Having said that there is a huge difference in class between the guys Wilder has been fighting and Wlad. And although people have mentioned the likes of thompson because of the size advantage id have to say thompson has no chance against wilder, all hed have to do is step back and throw that straight right hand and thompson is going down. I think if anybody can test wilder its wlad nobody else.

that doesnt mean to say I think wilders the next best thing since Tyson far from it, but because of his height and power I dont think theres many in the heavy weight division that can beat him.

It's all Ifs...To get to Klit he's got to get past the jab and reach...He's also got to put out of his mind that Klit is the dominant heavy of his times....Haye couldn't...

Just think he's over his head....

Haye had to get past the jab and close distance, Wilder wouldn't have to do that as he's as big, possibly bigger, than Wlad.

The same could be said for any other Klitschko opponent though, at least this guy has an aura about him to make it an interesting fight. I agree with everything youve said truss, but really from current crop of heavyweights who else has a better chance of beatin wlad? likewise who else other than wlad has a chance of beating wilder?

Klit is a lot heavier...Wilder will be fighting on the back foot and he's so stiff I can't see him doing it effectively....Hasn't the chin to stay there...

It's Malik Scott guys...Doesn't tell us anything..

Has as much chance as Price...A punchers lottery chance

It could be an interesting fight - but I think Wlad has this on easy street. Wilder's chances of victory would literally exponentially decrease with every round they are in the ring for... Absolutely no way a 6'7 250lbs man doesn't gas if goes past 6 for the first time - from there Wlad clubs him like a baby seal...

Wilder would have to believe he could do it..

The step up from Malik Stiff to Wlad is too steep to quench his doubts..

88Chris05 wrote:I'd have Wilder as a very live underdog, even if the fight happened now.

Whether or not Wilder, as a complete package, is the real deal is still open for debate, but there's nothing debatable or dubious about his power - he's packing absolute dynamite in his fists. I'm convinced that a couple of Wilder's bombs would have Wladimir in a world of trouble.

That's the thing though, would he land them? Wlad's the better all-round boxer as things stand and has learned to protect that chin very, very well. Wilder's got the height and reach, and seems to have decent athleticism, but we haven't really seen how he is in the brute strength and muscle department yet. I can't really remember seeing Wilder fight on the inside yet, largely because he hasn't had to. If Wlad turns out to be the physically stronger man of the pair, and if Wilder hasn't adapted his style to the pros enough to mix it inside, then I think Wlad would work his way to a dull decision.

I know people have speculated that Wilder's chin isn't too clever either, but I have doubts about whether Wlad would be able to get a stoppage here because he'd be fighting very, very cautiously, mindful of Wilder's power. Wladimir can take the fight to someone and deliver anvil blows when he wants, but as I've said before, it's no coincidence that, in his sixteen consecutive world title fights since 2006, the other belt holders he's faced in unifications (ergo, the better, more dangerous and talented Heavies he's faced!) have all taken him the distance - Ibragimov, Haye and Povetkin. The other one was Chagaev, but even then that was a corner retirement and Chagaev didn't have anything like the power Wilder has.

Wladimir by decision would be the obvious bet for me, but I think Wilder would be very, very dangerous for him, even now. Doubt we'll ever see it though, mainly for the reasons you've already said.

All of the said fighters though were as you say, champions, decent boxers with an ability to take a punch (or ability to roll with it at least) Wlad put Povetkin down 4 times, Ibragimov once and Chagaev once, they spent most of the fight surviving. Wilder can't box to save his life so would have to come forward, I think if he doesn't get Wlad early he'd end up getting ragdolled like Thompson for a few rounds then put away. Wlad looked poor last time out but again I just don't think Wilders the man to do it, i don't even think he's a top tenner as he hasn't faced anyone remotely decent unless you include Scott who was so scared he just took a dive.

Wladimir knocks him out in three rounds max IMO. I need to see Wilder in with a guy who can actually A/Punch hard and B/hit him back before thinking any different.

The trouble is with Wlad is that people still see him as chinny because he's been pancaked before. Nobody has put him down in 8 years. He's worked on his defence so well for so long it's second nature to him.

Wilder has just knocked out a complete nobody in Malik Scott. If he hadn't fought Chisora, most of us Brits would never have heard of him. Yes Deontay has a bit of power, but as has been mentioned he's about as slick as I am after 6 pints (I fall over after 5...)

Wilder's going down the WBC route anyway and I don't think he'll end up with it. Stiverne beats The Lumbering Nipple again, Chisora beats Fury, Wilder beats Chisora and then gets pancaked by Stiverne. That's how I see it happening. I don't see him going near Wlad or his titles until they're vacated.

Mr Bounce wrote:The trouble is with Wlad is that people still see him as chinny because he's been pancaked before. Nobody has put him down in 8 years. He's worked on his defence so well for so long it's second nature to him.

Wilder has just knocked out a complete nobody in Malik Scott. If he hadn't fought Chisora, most of us Brits would never have heard of him. Yes Deontay has a bit of power, but as has been mentioned he's about as slick as I am after 6 pints (I fall over after 5...)

Wilder's going down the WBC route anyway and I don't think he'll end up with it. Stiverne beats The Lumbering Nipple again, Chisora beats Fury, Wilder beats Chisora and then gets pancaked by Stiverne. That's how I see it happening. I don't see him going near Wlad or his titles until they're vacated.

I see a few guys waiting for Wlad to vacate or stay around too long and think he's ripe for the picking.

kingraf wrote:It could be an interesting fight - but I think Wlad has this on easy street. Wilder's chances of victory would literally exponentially decrease with every round they are in the ring for... Absolutely no way a 6'7 250lbs man doesn't gas if goes past 6 for the first time - from there Wlad clubs him like a baby seal...

They're closer to Wlad's dimensions though. Wilder never weighs more than 230.

However I do agree Wlad wins unless he's spooked and freezes. We've seen Wilder walk up to guys and drop bombs, but he can't do that to a guy who's basically the same range as him, but with a far better jab, better timing, more experience. I'm not sure if I've ever seen Wilder throw a jab! Wilder's never been in with anyone who can match him physically. Wlad OUTmatches him.

Plus wilder has been sparring Wlad - I imagine wlad has used the welcome opportunity to study a possible future opponent and Wilder has been Trying to knock him the Frak out.

wilder looked so bad in the sparring clips with david haye.

Wilder also sparred klitschko only a year ago and said afterwards that he wasn't ready for a world title shot etc.

Klitschko wins this one.

Not by any means saying Wilder would win this one, but its probably the only intriguing HW fight out there right now.

Haven't been this excited by an Amercian hard punching giant since erm.. Michael a Grant. I fully expect Wilder to go the same way once someone has the ambition to fire back.

Cheers Rodders

I'd love it if they fought and wlad threw caution to the wind and put the safety first attitude on the back burner - in the way lewis was capable of on the odd occasiond. It would be better to do a demolishin job than have a murderous puncher of equall stature in front of him for any length of time.

Klitschko fights the same way every time. If anything I think Wilder would make him even more conservative - which could be his downfall. Wilder is an exciting match up and I think Klitschko is very overrated on here, while Wilders chances are generally underplayed. I dont think there is any other heavyweight fight out there that is as interesting. It will never happen though because they will both see each other as too risky.

Early night for either man, with a 90% chance that being in Wlad's favour.

Wilder seems to have about as good a chin as Price, and he's very messy. Haven't seen the Malik Scott KO yet, but from everything I've seen thus far, despite having awesome power, he makes Fury look like SRL.

Ok, maybe not. Actually, would still back him to beat Fury though.