Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[GSC]

First topic message reminder :

Apparently we're after the prodigy that is Steve Clarke

[NickisBHAFC]

If we're being fair, Drogba was hardly prolific. Topped 15 league goals twice so 30 goals in 2 seasons is nothing to slouch at.

The way he departed has led him to be somewhat overrated over his entire body of work tbh

That has to be fishing.

[GSC]

Depends if you subscribe to the theory that people can have differing opinions.

Breaking new ground on this section I know

[Crimey]

I do kind of agree with GSC, Drogba was fantastic at scoring important goals in big matches, but his overall scoring record wasn't fantastic and I didn't think people rated him that highly until around the Champions League run. I was incredibly shocked that he was voted their best player ever.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Pretty much every physical lone striker in the world wants to be Drogba.

[GSC]

I'm not even saying Drogba was bad. Merely he didn't score enough for me to rank him among the greats. Ultimately that's what strikers will always be based on.

[mystiroakey]

Or zlatan. And I would rather be zlatan

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Almost 1 in 2 for Chelsea. And I don't think Lampard scores as many without Drogba. On top of him winning some huge games on his own, I think his whole game makes him one of the best the Prem will ever see.

[compelling and rich]

drogba is overrated, beast on his day which was usually in a final but would go missing for large parts of seasons, hence his poor scoring record for a player who had it all.

people only really remember the on form drogba, not the drogba who only scored 5 league goals in a season twice. nobody's doubting his ability, but not right up there as the best strikers in prem history because he simply couldn't do it consistently unlike the likes of henry, sherear et al

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I'm not saying he's the best striker in this league ever, Henry wins that, but he's the archetype of what he was and a sensational footballer beyond that too. I don't think doing what he did in big games should be underestimated either, at clubs like Chelsea wanted to be and now are, thats what you pay the big money for.

[Soldier_Of_Fortune]

drogba is overrated, beast on his day which was usually in a final but would go missing for large parts of seasons, hence his poor scoring record for a player who had it all.

people only really remember the on form drogba, not the drogba who only scored 5 league goals in a season twice. nobody's doubting his ability, but not right up there as the best strikers in prem history because he simply couldn't do it consistently unlike the likes of henry, sherear et al

Looks to me that Drogba is underrrated here.

Not sure how you can be critised for being a big game player. He won Chelsea his fair share of matches, sometimes on his own.

Also those two seasons were he scored 5 (league) goals where both plagued with injury and was probably no where near 100%

If I was going into a final and I had a choice between picking Shearer or Drogba, I would go with Drogba everytime.

[nasisillmatic]

His scoring was a little like Kuyts' for us. Hardly prolific, but always seemed to score the big goals when it really matters.

I think Chelsea should have never let him go.

[mystiroakey]

drogba is overrated, beast on his day which was usually in a final but would go missing for large parts of seasons, hence his poor scoring record for a player who had it all.

people only really remember the on form drogba, not the drogba who only scored 5 league goals in a season twice. nobody's doubting his ability, but not right up there as the best strikers in prem history because he simply couldn't do it consistently unlike the likes of henry, sherear et al

Looks to me that Drogba is underrrated here.

Not sure how you can be critised for being a big game player. He won Chelsea his fair share of matches, sometimes on his own.

Also those two seasons were he scored 5 (league) goals where both plagued with injury and was probably no where near 100%

If I was going into a final and I had a choice between picking Shearer or Drogba, I would go with Drogba everytime.

depends on the team and what you need- 

goal scorer sheaer all day long.

drogba = hold the ball up- retain it in the oppositions half- mess with defenders- high class physical presence.

but Zlatan = drogba + shearer.

However its not just about skill sets- it is also about performing in big games- Drogba has done that, the other two possibly havent to the same extent.

[CFCNick]

Zlatan is overrated. The only time I've seen him dominate a game was in a friendly.

Can't remember who mentioned our number of loaned out players but apparently if we draw Atletico they will have to pay us around £8m or start their 2nd choice keeper. As part of the loan agreement. The Atletico president has said he won't play if we meet in the semi.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Haven't managed to get myself a ticket for Saturday, Fulham only selling to people who have a history of buying from them the plastic gays

[dancingweeman]

As good as Drogba was, his other on field antics make it tough for me to rate him as highly as other people might.

His 'scrap' with Lehmann was laughable.

He was "as strong as an ox" holding the ball up one moment, and fall over at the slightest gust of air the next.

That takes the gloss off his overall contribution/reputation for me.

[GSC]

Plastic

Only selling to people who go to CC

[mystiroakey]

Personaly if i was chelsea I would say Lamps is the best player they have had over the last 10 or so years.

[GSC]

Terry has to be in the conversation surely

[mystiroakey]

yep deffo.

[GSC]

Tbh as a player I rate Terry higher. Off field reputation hurts as does playing CB

[mystiroakey]

As a player Terry has probably done more for England as well. Possibly along with cole the best english player over the last 10 or so years

Our no lose record is pretty high up there and a lot to do to him.

Terry just has the bad image.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Ashley Cole is probably a better player but what are you gonna hear about left backs.

[CFCNick]

JT & Lamps will go down as the best at Chelsea. Think the poll Drigba topped was former players.

[Soldier_Of_Fortune]

but Zlatan = drogba + shearer.

Hmmm think someone is overrating Zlatan a little.

[mystiroakey]

but Zlatan = drogba + shearer.

Hmmm think someone is overrating Zlatan a little.

 

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I'd agree, Zlatan has become massively overrated because of his public image and persona.

[mystiroakey]

Its the way he plays - he is on another planet.

He has it all. The goals he scores- He is a magician.

He isn't a big game player, he isn't on par with anyone like messi or ronaldo.

But he is still a player of great goals and lots of goals(shearer) and has a great hold up ability and physical presence(drogba)

He just hasn't produced it allways or in the big games.

[NickisBHAFC]

Personaly if i was chelsea I would say Lamps is the best player they have had over the last 10 or so years.

This.

Just a shame Lampard is always terrible for England!

Terry, Cole and Drogba all up there.

[compelling and rich]

drogba is overrated, beast on his day which was usually in a final but would go missing for large parts of seasons, hence his poor scoring record for a player who had it all.

people only really remember the on form drogba, not the drogba who only scored 5 league goals in a season twice. nobody's doubting his ability, but not right up there as the best strikers in prem history because he simply couldn't do it consistently unlike the likes of henry, sherear et al

Looks to me that Drogba is underrrated here.

Not sure how you can be critised for being a big game player. He won Chelsea his fair share of matches, sometimes on his own.

Also those two seasons were he scored 5 (league) goals where both plagued with injury and was probably no where near 100%

If I was going into a final and I had a choice between picking Shearer or Drogba, I would go with Drogba everytime.

one of the seasons wasn't, one was because he was sulking because he didnt like big phil. but still in both seasons he still played 24 league games in both.

even without them he had seasons where he only scored 10,12,8 and 11. he only scored 20 league goals twice in his chelsea career. im sorry but there not stats of a world class striker. you also have to consider that he played in one of the greatest teams in prem history which make those stats all the poorer.

when on form a great player, but more often than not poor contributor. he was a player who really did blow hot and cold. the greatest players of all time are players who could do it week in week out, not just when he could be arsed

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Goals aren't everything

[compelling and rich]

Goals aren't everything

no but they are very important if your a striker especially a lone striker, its not as if drogba was dropping deep play making and setting up all his team mates when he wasnt scoring, he was more than likely playing poorly.

lampard was massive in releasing a lot of pressure of drogba

[compelling and rich]

shearer was brilliant at holding it up and bringing in other players, you look at his record when playing for a top side

16, 31, 34, 31, 25, 2 (barely played), 14, 23, 5, 17, 22

they are miles better than drogbas and done it over a much longer period

[CFCNick]

DROGBA IS THE KING!!!

[compelling and rich]

DROGBA IS THE KING!!!

we knew you'd think that

i was trying to offer my unbiased view

[Soldier_Of_Fortune]

drogba is overrated, beast on his day which was usually in a final but would go missing for large parts of seasons, hence his poor scoring record for a player who had it all.

people only really remember the on form drogba, not the drogba who only scored 5 league goals in a season twice. nobody's doubting his ability, but not right up there as the best strikers in prem history because he simply couldn't do it consistently unlike the likes of henry, sherear et al

Looks to me that Drogba is underrrated here.

Not sure how you can be critised for being a big game player. He won Chelsea his fair share of matches, sometimes on his own.

Also those two seasons were he scored 5 (league) goals where both plagued with injury and was probably no where near 100%

If I was going into a final and I had a choice between picking Shearer or Drogba, I would go with Drogba everytime.

when on form a great player, but more often than not poor contributor. he was a player who really did blow hot and cold. the greatest players of all time are players who could do it week in week out, not just when he could be arsed

 
Who said he was one of the greatest players of all time? I've watched Drogba alot over the years and he could make defenders redundant in games. Its not all about goal scoring stats. I don't think Lampard whould have scored as many goals if Drogba wasnt in the team leading the line. Drogba could occupy two defenders to make space for Lampard 'late' runs into the box.
 
Shearer played in a age of two strikers up top. Would he have been as effective as Drogba leading Chelsea's line? I really doubt it.
 
Is he a better goal scorer then Shearer? Nope.
Is he a better player then Shearer? Yes
Who would you rather have leading your line in a big game? Drogba everyday of the week, twice on a Sunday.

[mystiroakey]

Big weekend of sport.

Liverpool v Citeh.

Biggest game of the year so far..

The masters final round follows.

Anyway.

Hoping for a couple of classics.

Liverpool to win.

Palace to win or draw v villa and that should put us safe..

Norwich to get the honeymoon feeling from there youth coach!! and put Fulham down!

[mystiroakey]

Wtf is that idiot Tan on about..


Seriously the guy is an idiot. Trying to stitch palace up.,

Seems like he has  issues with moody. What a first rate clown..

[NickisBHAFC]

Tbh Mysti whenever the bloke speaks i just don't take him seriously. Was on 606 a few Friday's ago, sounded just as much of an idiot as Dan Walker who hosts it! He even said Malky Mackay knows nothing about football      

Sunday is going to be a sweet day of sport. Might even stay in on Saturday night, so i can enjoy it Sunday night, without feeling hungover!!!

[mystiroakey]

Good lad Nick. 

You like the masters then?

[Crimey]

Sunday is going to be a sweet day of sport. Might even stay in on Saturday night, so i can enjoy it Sunday night, without feeling hungover!!!

Oo big lad...  

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Properly excited for tomorrow, gutted I can't be there but we're taking 4k apparently so tickets have been hard to come by

Praying, hoping we can pull off a win and achieve safety and save my heart these final four games

[CFCNick]

Sorry Olly, but COME ON FULHAM!!!

  There's only one effin Fulham! One effin Fulham!

[westisbest]

If Fulham win they go to 30 points.

Norwich on 32.

Villa/Palace could be on 35, one of them could be on 37, while the other on 34.

Very tight.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Sorry Olly, but COME ON FULHAM!!!

  There's only one effin Fulham! One effin Fulham!

I just cannot stand Fulham, it'll haunt me forever if we go down at their expense

Cmon the Nodge, please

[Guest]

I'm rooting for a Nodge win.

Olly will be wasted on the Championship board.

Still think Nodge will stay up regardless of tomorrow's result.

#ComeonyouYellas

[mystiroakey]

It works out for us if the 3 low clubs keep losing.

Come on Norwich

[Guest]

You'll be fine Mysti.

[Guest]

If Stoke don't win tomorrow, Hughes should be sacked   

Last three games :
Newcastle 0-3 Everton
Southampton 4-0 Newcastle
Newcastle 0-4 Manchester United

[mystiroakey]

What has happened to your team john.

That's some shocking stuff.

You took 6 off us though...

[Guest]

Cabaye controlled the game at Selhurst & we were confident back then, only a couple points off 5th, if I remember. Game at St James', you deserved to win, outplayed us but you couldn't finish anything. Somehow Cisse woke up & scored a header......somehow.

We're just awful currently, probably the worst side in the EPL currently. We can also add a 1-0 defeat to Fulham before those three games I mentioned.

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