We must find a way to accommodate this player is potentially dangerous thinking.
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We must find a way to accommodate this player is potentially dangerous thinking.
Recently with the Blues, Kaino has moved back to the position that caught the eye of All Black selectors. It took Kaino a while though to find his feet at test level but in my opinion come the RWC he was one of the most consistent players on the planet putting in a similar performance to Read last year. Luatua, who rose to prominence in Kaino's absence and found his way into the All Blacks has moved to number 8. No doubt with Kaino's return and his indifferent form early in the season, Luatua is motivated to perform. Kirwan and Henry realise that if this kid fires, he can stand out and do damage to opposition defences. Luatua can cover 8 and he can cover lock and he can play at blindside. You get the feeling Kirwan realises if you can get the best out of players like Lutatua, your team stands a good chance of competing because they are the type of player who pull off match winning plays.
Similarly, if you look back a few seasons, Kurtley Beale and JOC could be argued as being that type of player. Deans was playing JOC at 10 against the Lions, Beale was turning up at 10 for his club side. It didn't matter where they played just as long as they were playing. Sometimes that accommodation can hurt a team as it undoubtedly did with JOC at 10 for the Lions. And yet you could still make the argument that he made a telling contribution in the second test. Now that must have player for Australia is Folau and luckily for Australia he has found the position at fullback where he can do the most damage. But he's the type of player you here we could try him at centre or try him on the wing because he's the type of player you expect to thrive in any position. But just like Ben Smith found out last year, you can play well at fullback for your club, have a stellar year on the wing for your test side, but playing at centre is a different kettle of fish.
I don't think tinkering with Luatua at 8 is necessarily a bad thing but take a player like Vito and the loose forward roles are integrated but nonetheless finely balanced and one player isn't necessarily the right fit for all three positions. I look at a player like Beauden Barrett and sometimes I feel Hansen feels at the end of the game, it doesn't matter where we put this kid on, but in that last quarter we have to have him on the ground somewhere. He's popped up at flyhalf and fullback and I think on the wing. If Cruden is playing well, like he was against Ireland, it makes sense to take Dagg off, who wasn't having a good game and replace him with Barrett. He has enough pace to play on the wing and while versatility is good to have, you don't want to make a habit of being too flexible with a player. You want him to make contributions in the position where he plays best and if circumstances dictate a change, then use that versatility by all means.
I get the impression with the return of Tuilagi, SL will have this dilemma. He'll want to accommodate a player who he knows can do some damage but it may be to the detriment to the players around him. For example, if he plays, then where does he play and who partners him in the centres and is that the best balanced centre combination?
Who for you is your test side's player you feel might be potentially shoe horned into the team to the detriment of the overall balance of the side or who is that player you are just happy to see on the field no matter where he plays?
Similarly, if you look back a few seasons, Kurtley Beale and JOC could be argued as being that type of player. Deans was playing JOC at 10 against the Lions, Beale was turning up at 10 for his club side. It didn't matter where they played just as long as they were playing. Sometimes that accommodation can hurt a team as it undoubtedly did with JOC at 10 for the Lions. And yet you could still make the argument that he made a telling contribution in the second test. Now that must have player for Australia is Folau and luckily for Australia he has found the position at fullback where he can do the most damage. But he's the type of player you here we could try him at centre or try him on the wing because he's the type of player you expect to thrive in any position. But just like Ben Smith found out last year, you can play well at fullback for your club, have a stellar year on the wing for your test side, but playing at centre is a different kettle of fish.
I don't think tinkering with Luatua at 8 is necessarily a bad thing but take a player like Vito and the loose forward roles are integrated but nonetheless finely balanced and one player isn't necessarily the right fit for all three positions. I look at a player like Beauden Barrett and sometimes I feel Hansen feels at the end of the game, it doesn't matter where we put this kid on, but in that last quarter we have to have him on the ground somewhere. He's popped up at flyhalf and fullback and I think on the wing. If Cruden is playing well, like he was against Ireland, it makes sense to take Dagg off, who wasn't having a good game and replace him with Barrett. He has enough pace to play on the wing and while versatility is good to have, you don't want to make a habit of being too flexible with a player. You want him to make contributions in the position where he plays best and if circumstances dictate a change, then use that versatility by all means.
I get the impression with the return of Tuilagi, SL will have this dilemma. He'll want to accommodate a player who he knows can do some damage but it may be to the detriment to the players around him. For example, if he plays, then where does he play and who partners him in the centres and is that the best balanced centre combination?
Who for you is your test side's player you feel might be potentially shoe horned into the team to the detriment of the overall balance of the side or who is that player you are just happy to see on the field no matter where he plays?
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Re: We must find a way to accommodate this player is potentially dangerous thinking.
You want the management to be, ultimately, ruthless.
As good as Burrell was in the 6N he isnt as good as Manu can be. Balance is a big issue but that isnt just about these two players. It is good to know that at least there is back up if one of them goes down.
As good as Burrell was in the 6N he isnt as good as Manu can be. Balance is a big issue but that isnt just about these two players. It is good to know that at least there is back up if one of them goes down.
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Re: We must find a way to accommodate this player is potentially dangerous thinking.
Ireland have that problem in the backrow.
SOB is too good to leave out.
Trouble is the Irish backrow was the best it has been since Wallace retired because it was Balanced for the first time in ages
SOB is too good to leave out.
Trouble is the Irish backrow was the best it has been since Wallace retired because it was Balanced for the first time in ages
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Re: We must find a way to accommodate this player is potentially dangerous thinking.
Connor Murray - the right scrum half, in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Give me Reddan any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Give me Reddan any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
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Re: We must find a way to accommodate this player is potentially dangerous thinking.
Wales suffered from this problem by trying to accommodate James Hook somewhere in the backline, often playing him out of his preferred position at the expense of specialist players.
75 caps later James Hook still has no established position in the Welsh team.
75 caps later James Hook still has no established position in the Welsh team.
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Re: We must find a way to accommodate this player is potentially dangerous thinking.
I think the best example in NZ history is probably Leon macdonald. He preferred, and was a natural full back. However he popped up at 10,12,13 and often subbed out to the wing intra-game.
He almost played 10 for the All Blacks against scw's Lions - what a disaster that might've been.
He wears the flack for the 2003 RWC exit when he was terrorised by sterling mortlock whilst tana umaga and DC sat in the stands.
Contrast that with Aaron Mauger, probably the least celebrated All Blacks legend - who dominated the mid field without anyone noticing. Probably the smartest most robust mid fielder to ever wear the black jersey. A guy who literally couldn't play anywhere else.
He almost played 10 for the All Blacks against scw's Lions - what a disaster that might've been.
He wears the flack for the 2003 RWC exit when he was terrorised by sterling mortlock whilst tana umaga and DC sat in the stands.
Contrast that with Aaron Mauger, probably the least celebrated All Blacks legend - who dominated the mid field without anyone noticing. Probably the smartest most robust mid fielder to ever wear the black jersey. A guy who literally couldn't play anywhere else.
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Re: We must find a way to accommodate this player is potentially dangerous thinking.
Hook is a great example IronMike and Tait springs to mind when you think of such a player. MacDonald is too close to the bone and unflattering for MacDonald, Blackadder springs to mind for his perceived leadership qualities when a backrow player became a lock. Ugly days and even though Shayne Philpott just about played every backline position for the ABs, you have to wonder were the selectors having a bet how many positions they could play him before there was public revolt. When he tried to sell his cap on Ebay I really felt for the guy. Not his fault he kept getting picked.
Fitzgerald is another that springs to mind and Keith Earls to a lesser extent because sadly I think he's run his course. When I first saw Fitzgerald play at 12 against NZ, he was the best attacking player for Ireland. Actually on that day he was the only attacking player. Since then he's been in the mix but fluffed around on the wing so much so that I'm not sure what people think his best position is now.
Injury caused Mike Brown to be picked on the wing but injury also meant that he was picked at fullback and fortunately SL can now tell fullback is easily his best position. From the other end of the spectrum, Vunipola seems to have question marks over him at scrum time but his work in the loose carrying the ball up continues to get him picked. I get the impression though one day SL is going to rue the day he kept finding a way to include him in the squad.
Fitzgerald is another that springs to mind and Keith Earls to a lesser extent because sadly I think he's run his course. When I first saw Fitzgerald play at 12 against NZ, he was the best attacking player for Ireland. Actually on that day he was the only attacking player. Since then he's been in the mix but fluffed around on the wing so much so that I'm not sure what people think his best position is now.
Injury caused Mike Brown to be picked on the wing but injury also meant that he was picked at fullback and fortunately SL can now tell fullback is easily his best position. From the other end of the spectrum, Vunipola seems to have question marks over him at scrum time but his work in the loose carrying the ball up continues to get him picked. I get the impression though one day SL is going to rue the day he kept finding a way to include him in the squad.
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