Will Mayweather face Pacquiao in the next 12 months?

Both guys are really short on options now. Pacquiao has deteriorated as fighter over the last couple of years. I think Mayweather will have looked at the fight against Bradley and will start to fancy it now. Pacquiao only has old ground to go over which wont sell as well. I think this fight will come off now. If not later in the year then early next year. Pacquiao is not the fighter he was, Mayweather really needs an opponent. I think this will be a Mayweather play now in getting a top fighter that is past their best but still has all the pound for pound hyperbole and name value to sell the fight. He will also be able to claim the bigger money share this time without too much fuss.

May 2015 could be a possibility if Pacquiao doesn't renew his contract with Arum, but that's a big if. There hasn't been much said by Manny which indicates he's unhappy with Bob at the helm or that he's looking to make a change. Another reason it's a big if is down to the fact that Pacquiao's next fight (which will be promoted by Arum whatever the weather) is likely to be against Marquez, who shouldn't really be losing to Alvarado even if he is getting pretty long in the tooth now. As we know, Pacquiao beating Marquez or even looking particularly good against him isn't a given.

I genuinely don't think Mayweather cares about the fight at all anymore, to be honest. He's guaranteed a basic $32million per fight on Showtime regardless of who it's against or how eagerly anticipated it is, according to most sources (himself included). As long as Pacquiao isn't on Haymon and Showtime's books I don't think either party will be too worried about moving heaven and earth to make it happen.

Arum won't let Pacquiao go in for less than 50:50, it seems (my favourite quote of his on that subject was, "How can Manny, once he's President of the Philippines, look his countrymen in the eye if he just bows to Mayweather's demands and doesn't fight for what's right?", or something to that effect!), Mayweather will want the lion's share and Manny will just keep repeating that he wants to fight Floyd, but it's up to other people (Floyd and Bob) to make it happen.

If Pacquiao wins later this year and doesn't renew with Arum, then maybe we'll see the fight on Cinco de Mayo weekend next year. But I think it's unlikely.

Should preface this by saying I no longer care. However if I was to be persuaded to show a degree of interest I would basically need the negotiations to be done in private, with nothing in the press and the first any of us hear of it is when the fight is signed and sealed, the thought of enduring the soap opera, he said, she said BS that blighted the last set of negotiations makes my heart absolutely sink.

However putting all that aside I still do not see it happening. Seems fairly clear that back when this fight was first mooted Floyd felt entitled to the lion’s share of the purse. Subsequent to that Manny has lost a couple including one devastating knock out, can only think Floyd will interpret this as him being entitled to an even greater percentage. Similarly, is there anything to suggest his position re testing will have softened? Also seems dealing with Arum was for some reason a stumbling block, is Manny leaving Arum at such a late point in his career really on the cards?

Whilst the fight is still big and would still make money it is not as big as it was three or four years ago, the way I look at it is, if they could not make the fight when it was worth £120m why would they suddenly be able to make it when it is worth £80m.

Wouldn't put money on those two being able to sit down and play a game of Tiddlywinks without seven months of one/both/everyone behaving like an utter git.

Fight now, five years ago, in five months time, it makes no difference, Mayweather wins with ease...only person who doesn't realise this that really matters is Mayweather himself.

I've more interest in an Audley Harrison comeback.

I dont think Mayweather will be too bothered about the testing anymore. Pacquiao is no longer the dangerous fighter he was a few years ago and the fight will still generate him more money than any other opponent could. With Pacquiao sufficiently past his best now I think the fight will happen.

Manny looks sufficiently off the pace now to move within Floyd's sights again, but can never see this fight happening with Arum on the seen. And I've even less interested in this fight come 2015.....

Never read that statement from Uncle Bob, but that is funny.

I think first, we have to see how well Bradley Pac sold. Bob predicted 1.2 million, unlikely, but 100% of 800k PPV is better than, say 25-30% of 2m.

If it's sold well, I can see Arum claiming Bradley won the first dig, and we absolutely have to see who the better man is.

Floyd doesn't like southpaws with a good work rate that have fast feet.

Manny was made to measure to follow the Castillo formula only do it better hence no fight happened imo.

Manny although a slightly diluted version of his former self is still an awkward opponent for Mayweather. While Mayweather knows he would be strong favourite he might just be thinking 'why bother'. I don't see the fight happening unless it is Floyd's last ever fight which is supposedly in 2015 under his Showtime deal I believe.

Money, lack of credible alternatives and Pacquiao on the decline. All good reasons for Mayweather to risk the fight now. The fight wont be as big it could have been years ago but it is still the biggest fight in boxing by a good stretch. And now the deck is well stacked in Mayweathers favour.

It all depends on Mayweather. Everyone can see that Pacquiao has deteriorated and Money may well decide that he's there for the taking - but let's not forget that at some point Floydy boy is going to get old too.

I wonder what is the likelihood of the fight being made if Maidana somehow lands a hail mary of a lucky punch on Floyd and he loses his "0"???

Its always been "stacked" in Floyds favour.

He is the better fighter and always has been. He would outpoint Manny on any given Sunday with some to spare....whether back in 09 or in 2020.

He also has the upper hand in PPV figures/popularity so can in fact argue the Lions share of the pot....

Add in undefeated...and bang.

Manny/Arum (mainly arum) should have accepted his offer of £50 million cash a few years back.

Arum didn't allow it. There you go.

I believe Floyd has purposefully waited for Pacquiao to reach this point. He put up stumbling blocks while Manny was showing all the traits that trouble him to a high level, and a naturally smaller guy fighting naturally bigger guys will burn out quicker even if he is winning. Especially with Manny's style.

I can see Mayweather taking it now, how many golden boy opponents are there for him that A) are financially attractive and B) aren't horrendously dangerous such as Lara or Golovkin? I can't see anybody buying Garcia v Mayweather after the judges had to give him a hand vs Herrera. 120-108.

Martinez will have to look AWFUL vs Cotto for Mayweather to move to 160. Only a Cotto win would see that happen and Cotto is not going to beat Martinez.

Yep, I have always thought Mayweather would just wait it out until Pacquaio was past his best and then make the fight. On last showing he would whip Pacquiao and he has to know it now. Its not the dangerous fight it once was for him. He can have the money now without the same risk. And all the bragging rights that go with it.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Its always been "stacked" in Floyds favour.

He is the better fighter and always has been. He would outpoint Manny on any given Sunday with some to spare....whether back in 09 or in 2020.

This is so easy to say, but to have this mentality towards Floyd's opponents is to make watching any of his fights pointless.

Truth is in 09/10 they each had all of the attributes that the other hated, and it was THE fight for a reason. If Duran had just retired after he outgrew lightweight and Leonard's career carried on regardless we'd all say nah, Leonard's the bigger man, quicker, more talented, we didn't need to see it. Most of the great fights would never have happened if the existence of a marginal favourite deemed them pointless.

He never had a risk. He was/is leagues above Pacquiao.

Catchweight, you do make me smile mate.

Whether it was 5 years ago via UD, or in the next year via UD.....its irrelevant.

Based on what? Mayweather's been troubled by southpaws, speed, pressure and high workrate. Pacquiao had all this in abundance plus power but you routinely write him off.

There's a deification of Mayweather recently that makes him a work of fiction, and even the suggestion that he is a boxer and he can lose is derided. It is nonsense.

Yes, the warped logic of the modern boxing fan. Taking the need for fights to happen right out of the equation.

Mayweather would have won because he has more money and is higher pound for pound.

His approach to taking on the toughest challenges has been nonsense from the perspective of fans that actually want to see the best fights happen as opposed to concerns about Mayweather place in an all time great list or his checking account balance. You have to hand it to Mayweather though. Hes has convinced people his record and by extension ability is way beyond what he has actually proven in the ring. Now he doesnt need to actually fight the best because he "would have won anyway". Funny stuff.

Your funny catchweight. Your knowledge of boxing is minimul and your constant whining about mayweather is frankly ludicrous. Not once did i say he wins because he has more money or that he is p4p.

In my opinion, he wins via a UD no matter when they fight/fought.

Pacquiao struggles with counter punchers. Mayweather struggles with southpaws although he has fought more than one.

Pacquiao, for me, has/is/was never ever good enough to beat mayweather, let alone push him close.

his defence is far too weak and he is constantly open to right hands and counter hooks....mayweathers bread and butter.....lets not forget a jab.

Bottom line is that this subject is bloody tedious.

I couldn't care who wins if they fight, but as a realist, Floyd will win handily and people will say over the hill. If he won years ago they would say something different.

Happened to the previous 46 lads.

This fight has lost its appeal thanks to Arum IMO. Not Floyd or Manny.

But your repetitive nut hugging and counter claims about Floyd are laughable let alone your constant spouting of turd on most subjects.

Off to the gym, but thanks for your input Winchester. :-)

I think if it had happened years ago people would say well done, great victory, P4P top ten. Sadly he's left himself work to do if he wants to hear that from most observers.

Mm8 boxing isn't fought on paper, Pacquiao was a very live marginal underdog, there was nothing to suggest it would be easy, Mayweather clearly didn't himself.

Indeed Hammer but boxing fans have opinions.

My opinion, based on having watched box their careers, is that styles make fights and Floyd would have won handily.

But as I've said, its just tedious now.

Everyone is to blame, but mainly Arum....again IMO.

Mobile, if Mayweather had agreed with the opinion you're entitled to, he wouldn't have played his part in the fight's prevention.

I am a Floyd fan but not sure who would win then or now. What I do know however is that Arum has put his prime asset (DLH) in with Money May and seen him totally out boxed from 1st to 12th and is scared about repeating the same mistake.

Say what you will about Arum but he has been around along time and seen the very best at work and knows enough to realise that Floyd is on another Planet to Pacman.

That makes no sense at all, in the space of one post you've disagreed with yourself.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:That makes no sense at all, in the space of one post you've disagreed with yourself.

It does and I did'nt read properly.

Arum and De la Hoya had long since split before the Oscar-Floyd fight, OneTwo.

I do still believe 2009 Pacquiao would of beat 2009 Mayweather.

Even the current version offers Floyd a far more greater challenge than he's faced in his career to date. I hope the fight does get made as I still think Pacquiao has the legs to cause problems. Thankfully he was relatively free from any damage in his last two fights...

He's my P4P #2 again on the back of his win vs. Bradley. Marquez was almost on the end of a serious beating until he unleashed that hellacious shot.

I think Floyd lost both fights to Castillo - ergo - using the logic seen on here, a younger, bigger, probably more skilled Guerrero should have made easy work with him, no?

In any case, evaluating fights that never happened isnt an exact science. Old man Mosley had Mayweather in real trouble, I'd back 2009 Pac to put him away from there. If Mosley, who at that stage has long since seen his best before date, could have had Floyd in a bother, quite presumptuous to assume Floyd walks this

Just imagine how many times they'll say "this should've happened 3 or 4 years ago" during the build up. I'll still be watching if it happens. But, it will feel like a booby prize.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Its always been "stacked" in Floyds favour.

He is the better fighter and always has been. He would outpoint Manny on any given Sunday with some to spare....whether back in 09 or in 2020.

Really?

Didn't easily outpoint Castillo..??

When athletes become deities, bad performances never happened. Ali didn't struggle enormously against Norton due to technical deficiencies, Federer isn't completely dumbfounded playing Nadal. Even good old Jesse Owens somehow finds a whole second and smokes Bolt.

Floyd beats Pac in a sort of competitve fight now,probably in a fight similar to the cotto one. Id guess around 9 rounds to 3. Still think Floyd wins in 09 but would be close. Floyd would have the better accuracy and possibly land more were as pac man would have the higher work rate and would maybe stun Mayweather on occassion.

It's a pity we never got to see them fight then. Suppose better late than never.

mobilemaster8 wrote:Your funny catchweight. Your knowledge of boxing is minimul and your constant whining about mayweather is frankly ludicrous. Not once did i say he wins because he has more money or that he is p4p.

In my opinion, he wins via a UD no matter when they fight/fought.

Pacquiao struggles with counter punchers. Mayweather struggles with southpaws although he has fought more than one.

Pacquiao, for me, has/is/was never ever good enough to beat mayweather, let alone push him close.

his defence is far too weak and he is constantly open to right hands and counter hooks....mayweathers bread and butter.....lets not forget a jab.

Bottom line is that this subject is bloody tedious.

I couldn't care who wins if they fight, but as a realist, Floyd will win handily and people will say over the hill. If he won years ago they would say something different.

Happened to the previous 46 lads.

This fight has lost its appeal thanks to Arum IMO. Not Floyd or Manny.

But your repetitive nut hugging and counter claims about Floyd are laughable let alone your constant spouting of turd on most subjects.

Off to the gym, but thanks for your input Winchester. :-)

Ha! This is good coming from the Mayweather fanatatic who offers nothing except meaningless hyperbole.

"Shane Mosley pound for pound number 3", "Ortiz young hungry challenger". "Alvarez beat Trout handily". You just regurgitate the crap that promoters use to sell fights to "THE CASUALS"

catchweight wrote: You just regurgitate the crap that promoters use to sell fights to "THE CASUALS"

What, the Jesamine hitmakers who got their break through TV's Opportunity Knocks?

I had never heard of them until I read on here. I think they are like the Eloi of the boxing world for Morlocks like Schaefer and Arum.

To be honest it is a massive risk for Manny financially. What woith his IRS worries etc.

If he gets completely taken apart by Mayweather his stock goes completely down the toilet.

If he carries on fighting Marquez, Rios types and throwing Mayweather's name before and after fights then he carries on raking in $20 Mill a fight for the next couple of years.

Floyd mentioned he offered Manny 40 mill last year to fight. Say he had of accepted and was outboxed for 12 rounds as many would imagine (at this stage as hes older), then the PPV numbers for Manny significantly diminish and he is no longer the mega fight fighter.

Now I hate all the talk of business as a fan, but for me this is the reason the fight won't happemn any time soon. There is still an absolute mint to be made fighting Provodnikov, Marquez (again), Alvarado (in a warm up fight or something), Bradley (again). thats probably close to 100 million in the next 2 years.

If he fights Floyd and loses then he can kiss all that goodbye. He would probably still make more money than most but the mega bucks will go down the potty.

I also believe that all this would make him carry on fighting far longer than he would need to be and will probably end up getting hurt after a while.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:To be honest it is a massive risk for Manny financially. What woith his IRS worries etc.

If he gets completely taken apart by Mayweather his stock goes completely down the toilet.

If he carries on fighting Marquez, Rios types and throwing Mayweather's name before and after fights then he carries on raking in $20 Mill a fight for the next couple of years.

Floyd mentioned he offered Manny 40 mill last year to fight. Say he had of accepted and was outboxed for 12 rounds as many would imagine (at this stage as hes older), then the PPV numbers for Manny significantly diminish and he is no longer the mega fight fighter.

Now I hate all the talk of business as a fan, but for me this is the reason the fight won't happemn any time soon. There is still an absolute mint to be made fighting Provodnikov, Marquez (again), Alvarado (in a warm up fight or something), Bradley (again). thats probably close to 100 million in the next 2 years.

If he fights Floyd and loses then he can kiss all that goodbye. He would probably still make more money than most but the mega bucks will go down the potty.

I also believe that all this would make him carry on fighting far longer than he would need to be and will probably end up getting hurt after a while.

Good post, that's why it aint all Floyds fault for ducking. Both fighters can make money off easier fights and keep bringing the others name up to hype themselves and get media attention. I actually think they will eventually fight late next year.

If Khan beats Collazo on the Mayweather undercard I think he will be next for Mayweather but after that it will be Pacquiao.

The real tragedy is the fight hasn't happened for all the wrong reasons, and if it ever does happen it will also be for all the wrong reasons.

The fights lost its sparkle now, but if it should happen, although I think Mayweather wins I'll be rooting for Manny and praying for an upset.

Short answer - never!

Must say what a top win it was for Manny...Regardless of what you think of his "character "...It's a great win and for me he's top 15 and closing in on the Top 10...

Believe that Arum is the roadblock as it's all about the deal with this guy and bragging rights....Never take less than 50/50 and Floyd won't accept that..

My guess is If it happens it will be Floyd's last fight...So maybe the fall in 2015 but only If Manny dumps the clown...

I can't see Manny doing that..

Still find it slightly perverse as king cherrypicker Holmes gets a free ride on here and Floyd gets a hard time....

But maybe that's a pointer as to what will happen to Floyd in 20 years time..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Must say what a top win it was for Manny...Regardless of what you think of his "character "...It's a great win and for me he's top 15 and closing in on the Top 10...

Believe that Arum is the roadblock as it's all about the deal with this guy and bragging rights....Never take less than 50/50 and Floyd won't accept that..

My guess is If it happens it will be Floyd's last fight...So maybe the fall in 2015 but only If Manny dumps the clown...

I can't see Manny doing that..

Still find it slightly perverse as king cherrypicker Holmes gets a free ride on here and Floyd gets a hard time....

But maybe that's a pointer as to what will happen to Floyd in 20 years time..

Did'nt Holmes fight Shavers TWICE.

You don't cherry pick the HARDEST puncher in the H/W division......that would be stupid and defeats the purpose of cherry picking.

Yes onetwo....Changed my mind Holmes never ducked anybody..

He liked the color of the IBF belt