Fight thread (spoilers)

[Champagne_Socialist]

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bernard hopkins v shumenov and malinaggi v Porter

predictions?

[Strongback]

Murray looked more tired than hurt.

[Strongback]

Paul Smith looks small for a SMW

[milkyboy]

You can't fight like Murray against good fighters without having a sense of pace and he doesn't. Though, Arguably his lack of head movement would mean he'd be taken apart by better boxers regardless.

Maybe sh*t or bust is all he can do.

[milkyboy]

Paul Smith looks small for a SMW

He is standing next to nelson and mcrory

[wheelchair1991]

Mcrory is by far the worse pundit sky have

[hampo17]

Just got back and what a night that was! Quigg demolished Munyai, Murray and Crolla was excellent as I think most expected, that was certainly the feeling on press row anyway, fight of the night for me though was Jack Massey vs Danny Fleary. A 4 rounder that wasn't televised, both guys were hurt at stages but Massey came through to take a points victory.

[PPVxHOTTY]

Shumenov to stop the alien and maybe end of a era! Kid chocolate looks to be huffing and puffing although he's winning every round, I don't think Quillin has prepared for this fight properly. Also would surprise me if Porter dosent stop Paulie

[JabMachineMK2]

Hopkins Shumenov is a stinker so far.

[JabMachineMK2]

Round 2. Snore.

Shumenov makes this stupid noise when he throws. Irritating.

Hopkins is a moron. Made Shumenov wait, ties up, butts, doesn't break when told.

Such a dirtball. Why am I watching this?

[JabMachineMK2]

3 - 0 up for Shumenov.

I really shouldn't watch modern fights after watching Leonard vs Duran 1. This is a cure for insomnia.

Hopkins has landed about 5/6 "power" jabs. Not shook Shumenov.

THis gets 2 more rounds before I go to sleep.

For those interested, Porter TKO Maglinaggi in 4.

[JabMachineMK2]

4 - 0 Shumenov

Why do Americans say "our nations capital" instead of "Washington D.C"?

It seems stupid.

[JabMachineMK2]

4 - 1 Shumenov

I'm going to bed after round 6. Nobody is up.

[Champagne_Socialist]

I thought it was a great fight, Hopkins outclassed Shumenev and it was an outrage he won by SD instead of UD.

Hopkins just gets better with age and it seems the next fight will be Stevenson V Hopkins.

[John Bloody Wayne]

Jab, you sounds moody. Is it because your man Brook is going to be steamrolled by that Porter fellow?

I previously described him as being like a scrappy Jack Russel.

Tonight he looked more like a ferocious Rottweiler.

[Strongback]

Paul Smith looks small for a SMW

He is standing next to nelson and mcrory

Nelson claims he's 6'2 1/2 and Smith 5'11. It looked like more than a 3 1/2 inch height difference to me. Maybe Nelson got a lend of Willie Carson's box.

[milkyboy]

Johnny likes Cuban heels strongy.

Porter looked very good. Impressed with his accuracy, when he throws punches in bunches he lands with a lot of them.

I'm always wary of getting carried away with that kind of performance though. Is porter the next superstar of boxing? Was porter just all wrong for Paulie? Did paulie just get old over night? It's often hard to tell, but malignaggi looked there for the taking.

Two back to back excellent performances from porter. Not that long ago he was struggling with diaz, so I've reserved a seat for the hype train but I'm still having my cappuccino at the station before boarding.

[Gerry SA]

Kell brook must be real nervous right about now.

Shawn Porter isn't Brook's usual run of the mill Polish bouncer or bin man.

Porter's gonna humiliate Brook. Easily.

[WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs]

Great performance by Porter, dragged Malignaggi into a war and never allowed him space

Brook will need to vastly improve to beat Porter but at least he won't be bullied as easily given he's a lot bigger and stronger than Paulie

[3fingers]

Brook is a step down. Mayweather should overlook khan and go for porter. Thats how a prospects career shoukd be built. 24 fights in 6 years and already fought gomez, diaz, alexander and mallinagi.deserves a frack at the number 1.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Mayweather against Porter is an awful fight, really scraping the barrel if Alexander and Malignaggi is all it takes to get a shot against the top man.

[mobilemaster8]

Rios beat nobody to get Pacquiao.

Hatton didn't do anything to fight Alvarez

Maidana beat Broner who was never tested along with Lopez the lightweight.


Boxing these days is quite ridiculous to be fair. No really competitive fights.

The only one i see being competitive is Lara vs Alvarez. That's it.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Pacquiao was coming off of 'two' losses one of which was a brutal KO so needed a tune up fight that is why that fight happened.

Lopez the lightweight? He hasn't fought at lightweight for 7 years and all of his better performances have been at 140-147lbs. Just because you start at a weight doesn't mean that is your weight.

Maidana doesn't deserve his shot either and if Mayweather followed that fight up with Porter then I would stop watching.

[3fingers]

Who "deserves" a crack at mayweather at ww?

[Hammersmith harrier]

There isn't just the welterweight division, he should you know maybe defend his light middleweight belts too, if Lara comes through Alvarez then it has to be either Lara or Pacquiao, no other fight is a risk.

[3fingers]

Here is a list of anyone who is anyone at WW.........Manny Pacquiao, Luis Carlos Abregu, Amir Khan, Leonard Bundu, Antonin Decaire, Ed Paredes, Alberto Mosquera,  Luis Collazo, Kell Brook, Ray Robinson, Robert Guerrero, Zab Judah, Josesito Lopez, Yoshihiro Kamegai, Keith Thurman, Luis Collazo, Frankie Gavin, Adrien Broner, Teerachai Kratingdaeggym, Julio Diaz, Diego Chaves,  Ed Paredes, Charlie Ota, Fernando Ferreira, Suyon Takayama, Roman Zhailauov, Dan Ion, Paul Malignaggi, Yoshihiro Kamegai,  Kevin Bizier, Edward Paredes, Diego Chaves Antonin Decairie, Vyacheslv Senchenko, Jan Zaveck, Fredrick Lawson, Bethel Ushona, Timothy Bradley, Matthias Pelk, Roy Robinson, Robert Guerrero, Gabriel Bracero, Patryk Szymanski, Ji-Hoom Kim, Dusty Hernandez Harrison, Juan Manuel Marquez, Marcos Maidana, Luis Carlos Abregu, Jessie Vargas, Andre Berto.

Manny aside, Porter deserves a Mayweather fight as any of the others listed.

Porter is as equally as deserving as Lara, at this moment.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Lara beats Alvarez and he is far more deserving, there is no two ways about that, easy to list the top 50 and say Porter is more deserving than the majority but he isn't. Garcia, Bradley, Pacquiao and Lara all head and shoulders above him, Porter is more in the Khan, Thurman, Collazo bracket. How beating Malignaggi leads to such hype I do not know.

[hampo17]

Garcia hasn't fought at 147lbs, so doesn't deserve a fight with the top guy at that weight and many thought he lost his last fight.

[Hammersmith harrier]

It doesn't work like that Hampo, if you're top dog at the weight below that makes you more deserving than most, much depends on how he performs in his next fight.

[hampo17]

Not for me. A champion at 147 is equally, if not more deserving than the top guy at the weight below. Especially when the guy at 140 can't string two top performances together.

[3fingers]

At LMW we have....Saul Alvarez, Erislandy Lara, Miguel Cotto, Demetrius Andrade, James Kirkland, Joshua Clottey, Austin Trout, Alfredo Angulo, Carlos Molina, Vanes Martirosyan, Sergey Rabchenko, Ishe Smith, Lukas Konecny, Brian Rose, Jermell Charlo and some others...

......again Porter deserves a shot as much as any if those.

I for one don't consider FMM Light-Middleweight champion, I dont even consider him a LMW. I'd prefer if he stayed at welter and cleaned the division up, rather than pick and choose between two weights, sometimes with added weight stipulations.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Mayweather is the champion at Welterweight nobody has earned that moniker just like Garcia is the champion at 140lbs. When there is a clear number one I couldn't care less who the IBF, WBA, WBC or WBO champion is.

[Hammersmith harrier]

At LMW we have....Saul Alvarez, Erislandy Lara, Miguel Cotto, Demetrius Andrade, James Kirkland, Joshua Clottey, Austin Trout, Alfredo Angulo, Carlos Molina, Vanes Martirosyan, Sergey Rabchenko, Ishe Smith, Lukas Konecny, Brian Rose, Jermell Charlo and some others...

......again Porter deserves a shot as much as any if those.

I for one don't consider FMM Light-Middleweight champion, I dont even consider him a LMW. I'd prefer if he stayed at welter and cleaned the division up, rather than pick and choose between two weights, sometimes with added weight stipulations.

Christ you can't actually be serious, listing a load of names and giving no justification isn't really a viewpoint it's just fanboy stuff. Alvarez and Lara are the top two besides Mayweather at 154lbs just like Pacquiao and Bradley are at 147lbs, Porter has just beaten Malignaggi who's been beaten by anybody resembling world class, it's no longer a worthwhile name to have on your record.

[3fingers]

Porter is IBF welterweight champion and has just dealt with a VERY CAPABLE Paul Malignaggi with consumate ease, in fact, he did a better number on the magic man than any who have gone before him. Can't see an argument as to why he doesn't deserve a shot.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Malignaggi is a 33 year old with no power and because of his lack of power has had to take a lot of punishment throughout his career, it is not a win to get excited about.

The argument is quite simple; Pacquiao has just beaten the divisions number two with relative ease having already in most peoples minds beaten him once before. Lara behind Alvarez is the top contender at 154lbs and if he beats Alvarez will be on a run far more impressive than Porters, add in the fact he's just simply better. Bradley may have just lost to Pacquiao but you'll be hard pushed to find anybody rating Porter over him.

Hell the American ring magazine ranks Porter lower than Kell Brook, that in itself indicates he's really no that highly rated.

[3fingers]

At LMW we have....Saul Alvarez, Erislandy Lara, Miguel Cotto, Demetrius Andrade, James Kirkland, Joshua Clottey, Austin Trout, Alfredo Angulo, Carlos Molina, Vanes Martirosyan, Sergey Rabchenko, Ishe Smith, Lukas Konecny, Brian Rose, Jermell Charlo and some others...

......again Porter deserves a shot as much as any if those.

I for one don't consider FMM Light-Middleweight champion, I dont even consider him a LMW. I'd prefer if he stayed at welter and cleaned the division up, rather than pick and choose between two weights, sometimes with added weight stipulations.

Christ you can't actually be serious, listing a load of names and giving no justification isn't really a viewpoint it's just fanboy stuff. Alvarez and Lara are the top two besides Mayweather at 154lbs just like Pacquiao and Bradley are at 147lbs, Porter has just beaten Malignaggi who's been beaten by anybody resembling world class, it's no longer a worthwhile name to have on your record.

You're a boxing fan who 'knows' about boxing, are you not? Why should I provide justification as to why porter deserves a shot more than Smith? Surely you know enough to provide your own justifications as to why he deserves a Poopie more than others on a list. Do you want me to break down the styles of each fighter, discuss who these styles would mesh with flolyds, dissect their records, common opponents, discuss their form etc? I'm afraid thats worthy of an article......not a quick reply on a forum. Like I say you know enough about boxing to that all yourself.

[Hammersmith harrier]

The debate is talking about guys like Ishe Smith, it's talking about the men at the top of their divisions. I want to know the justification for Porter being more deserving than Garcia, Bradley, Pacquiao, Lara or even an Alvarez rematch?

[3fingers]

Malignaggi is a 33 year old with no power and because of his lack of power has had to take a lot of punishment throughout his career, it is not a win to get excited about.

The argument is quite simple; Pacquiao has just beaten the divisions number two with relative ease having already in most peoples minds beaten him once before. Lara behind Alvarez is the top contender at 154lbs and if he beats Alvarez will be on a run far more impressive than Porters, add in the fact he's just simply better. Bradley may have just lost to Pacquiao but you'll be hard pushed to find anybody rating Porter over him.

Hell the American ring magazine ranks Porter lower than Kell Brook, that in itself indicates he's really no that highly rated.

I'm not excited about the win, I'm impressed with his footwork, balance, accuracy, power, shot selection, and ability to go tobody and head while combination punching.

Age is not variable to beat people with. Paulie is normally very durable, mostly competitive, and a very decent boxer. He was dissmantled inside outside and beaten to pulp at the same time. Paulie has taken punishment in the past, but we will not know if this has caught up with him untill we see his next fight.

Where a magazine ranks someone is no concern of mine, seldom is it a reflection of reality.

In reality Mayweather has never fought at LMW. If Lara beats Canelo he deserves his chance. He does not deserve to be penalised with a catchweight. Mayweather shoukd give up the belt he 'illegitimately' won, concentrate on WW, rematch Canelo at the 154 limit, fight Lara at 154 should he win (were jumping the gun abit here), or fight Manny or Porter at 147.

[3fingers]

I dont think he is more deserving than Manny, Lara or Alvarez. I said he deserves a shot at Mayweather, then I went to say he is as deserving (more so in somecases) than a whole host of WW's and LMW's.

I think your position was he wasn't deserving of a shot.

[3fingers]

Mayweather against Porter is an awful fight, really scraping the barrel if Alexander and Malignaggi is all it takes to get a shot against the top man.

[Hammersmith harrier]

He won his belt against Cotto at the full 154lb limit and then beat Alavarez within the divisional limit, both clear and obvious light middleweight fights unless you think the latter was somehow a Welterweight fight. Plus the De La Hoya fight which makes it three no the never you're trying to wrongfully proclaim.

Age is a very viable excuse when somebody is clearly past their best as Malignaggi has been for at least five years now, in that time he's beaten Senchenko and a finished Judah.

Again I would like to know how Porter is more deserving than the others, he looks no more impressive than Thurman to me and I wouldn't be surprised to see Brook beat him.

Beating Malignaggi does not make somebody deserving of the huge payday that a fight with Mayweather brings, he's done very little to justify that fight.

[3fingers]

Neither did I rate porter over bradley or garcia?

[3fingers]

Of course, not sure how those fights slipped my mind?... probably due to not relying on boxrec and having a life away from boxing.

Despite the oversight, my point is simple and stands: Mayweather hasn't faced a prime career light-middleweight, and when he did there was a catchweight of 152. Further Porter is deserving of a shot. He is very good. I'm not basing this on his record, I'm basing it on his ability. Like I said earlier I consider him a prospect, but one worthy of mixing it with big boys.......Manny, Bradley, Marquez..........Mayweather included.

I'm happy to accept you don't think so.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Yes because you need boxrec to remember Mayweathers biggest fights, the three biggest money spinners he's been involved in have all been in the 154lb division.

The thing is you do have to base ability on the opposition somewhat and looking impressive against Malignaggi doesn't do it for me, Khan got their years ago and looked just as good beating him.

[3fingers]

You need boxrec with my memory...too many bangs to the head!

[3fingers]

Neither did I rate porter over bradley or garcia?

[JabMachineMK2]

Porter is a good fighter, but he's not proven himself at World Level yet, that can't be said. he took an easy route to the IBF and Alexander has always been a poor champion.

As it stands for me, there are a few in the pecking order above him for a shot at Floyd.

1. Lara if he beats Alvarez for Floyd to defend his title. Lara can make LMW.
2. Pacquiao
3. Garcia if he steps up to WW would get an insta-match with Mayweather - he's done plenty at LWW to justify it
4. Bradley
5. Porter.

Thats my view.

[3fingers]

Im happy to say he is in within the top 10 most deserving fighters, and a fight I would like to see. The best vs an unbeaten prospect who has shared the ring with some credible opponents. Of course if Porter beat Marquez, Bradly etc he would be even more deserving. However, if he were to fight a few more times before getting his shot then Mayweather could be past it. Judging on last nights performance (the only time ive seen him) he will be around for a long time to come.

I will go away and watch some more of his fights.....

maybe I'll change my mind.

[88Chris05]

Floyd fighting Porter would be the same kind of deal as him fighting Maidana. From the outset, nowt particularly wrong with it. The best Welter in the world unifying belts against an unbeaten titlist coming off a couple of nice wins. But the fact is that, regardless of his best or his wins over Alexander and Malignaggi, nobody considers him the biggest threat to Floyd in terms of style, size, current form etc and even if he is amongst the half-dozen most deserving candidates, there are other candidates who have been near the front of the queue for a lot longer (Pacquiao, Bradley etc) who have never got the fight. Porter would just be a "he's fashionable right now, let's strike while the iron's hot so that people momentarily forget that I should be fighting other guys" kind of deal for Floyd.

As I said when the Mayweather-Maidana fight was announced, nobody would care about Floyd taking a fight like that if it was the exception, rather than the rule. But all of the above applied to Ortiz and Guerrero, and they apply to Maidana as well. You could argue that most applied to Cotto on top of that. In the last few years, all of his fights aside from Alvarez have come with that kind of caveat - a reasonable fight on paper, but not a fight the fans would pick to see first off. Mayweather's brought a lot of it on himself, because in general a fight between him and someone like Maidana / Porter would be fine; but not when you've consistently taken that kind of fight over and over again when all and sundry want to see you in there with someone else.

Anyway, I can't stomach the idea of Brook fighting yet another 'eliminator' for the IBF belt, so right now the only fight I'm interested in seeing him take is his mandatory against Special K. Get that mandatory out of the way, look good against another 'name' Welter after that and maybe the path to Mayweather will have cleared a little - but right now, Mayweather should be looking at bigger and more worthy fish to fry.

[milkyboy]

Fingers he was very good against Alexander, who despite the flak he gets on here, had some good wins on his cv... A shut out against maidana for instance.

He was less impressive against diaz first time out. Close fight, diaz kept coming at him. Haven't seen the return which porter won fairly comfortably I believe.

I implied it earlier, history tells us to be carefull of building someone up on the back of a couple of good performances, sometimes guys can flatter to deceive particularly against 'name' fighters who might be just past their best.

I watched a guy called Lonnie smith destroy billy Costello for a lightwelter belt in the early 80's. Told everyone the guy was the next big thing. He got sparked in his first defence.  Learnt my lesson. Forgot my lesson when I watched juan diaz destroy acelino freitas then julio diaz. He then lost to nate campbell and anyone with a pulse since.

I like porter, just a touch early to get carried away.

[3fingers]

I've just watched the first three and last round of diaz two milky. Good fight.

I dont get excited too much, never jump on bandwagons. I dont think there is a porter bandwagon, is so Im officially starting one.

He seems a good mix of style and substance. Feet are perfectly placed meaning great balance - either in attack or defence. Good fast jab, even if he bow and arrows at times. Physically very strong. Puts together great combinations tgat work the body and head really well - with a variety of hooks, straight and uppercuts thus creating angles. Looks very accurate with single shots too, thrown either as counters or offensive shots. Throws an accurate jumping lead left hook but doesn't just stand back and admire his work when it lands but instead follows it up with more hooks to body and head. Throws a brilliant hook-come uppercut to the solar-plexus. Footwork is great, pushes off a treat. Open to a left hook at times. Solid if not concussive puncher. Fast. Seems a busy fighter, happy to stand and trade, but equalky at home countering. Looks like he has it all. Guess we'll see in good time. Someone who im happy to say with certainty will never be discraced in a fight.

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