Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

[It Must Be Love]

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I wouldn't mind Klopp replacing Moyes, if he does leave.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Almost unbelievably we're still not in the relagation zone. Somehow!

And its not over till the fat lady sings...

[Hammersmith harrier]

All this talk about terrible signings make me miss the hilariousness that was Bebe & Kleberson.

I don't get the negativity around the Kleberson deal either, he was a regular first team player for Brazil who had just played an instrumental role in them winning the world cup, the fact he didn't live up to the hype doesn't make it a terrible signing.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

You could've put Donald Duck in charge of Utd tonight and they'd have still beaten us easily

This media love in with Giggs is fookin cringeworthy

[Fernando]

Almost unbelievably we're still not in the relagation zone. Somehow!

And its not over till the fat lady sings...

Get a cattle prod and poke Delia then   

[hampo17]

I'd be amazed if any new manager didn't ship him out, he's been on loan for three seasons now.

[GSC]

The fact he was terrible makes him a terrible signing

[AberdeenSteve]

So, who is coming up in the Play Offs?

[Guest]

Almost unbelievably we're still not in the relagation zone. Somehow!

And its not over till the fat lady sings...

Get a cattle prod and poke Delia then   

It wouldn't even resonate Nando.

[GSC]

Wigan hopefully

[Duty281]

Almost unbelievably we're still not in the relagation zone. Somehow!

And its not over till the fat lady sings...

Two games left against two teams with nothing left to play for in the league.

Chin up.

[Hammersmith harrier]

The fact he was terrible makes him a terrible signing

It really doesn't, Bebe was a terrible signing because it made no sense paying that amount for somebody nobody had ever heard of, paying £6mil for a brazil international seemed like a sound investment at the time.

[AberdeenSteve]

The fact he was terrible makes him a terrible signing

It really doesn't, Bebe was a terrible signing because it made no sense paying that amount for somebody nobody had ever heard of, paying £6mil for a brazil international seemed like a sound investment at the time.

Had anyone heard of Cristiano Ronaldo when Manchester United bought him from Lisbon?

[GSC]

By that logic there are very few poor signings. I'm sure most can be justified logically at the time.

He was terrible therefore he was a terrible signing.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Norwich didn't surprise me. RVW hasn't surprised me and I called him as a poor signing at the time. Ran before they could walk in the transfer market

[skyeman]

Hands up time.

I thought at the time that Moyes was a good choice, especially with such a glowing endorsement from the greatest British manager ever.

No blame attached to Sir Alex.

But now, to go for a manager who had never won anything of note and one that did quite well with what he had available. It seems crazy in the modern age for one of the biggest clubs in the world to have gone that route.

Big and costly mistake for Utd.

[skyeman]

The fact he was terrible makes him a terrible signing

It really doesn't, Bebe was a terrible signing because it made no sense paying that amount for somebody nobody had ever heard of, paying £6mil for a brazil international seemed like a sound investment at the time.

Had anyone heard of Cristiano Ronaldo when Manchester United bought him from Lisbon?

Fergie got that one right. He knew.

But the average fan. No. Was it about 14 mil, seems like a bargain now.

[Guest]

Hands up time.

I thought at the time that Moyes was a good choice, especially with such a glowing endorsement from the greatest British manager ever.

I called Moyes getting the job on here 3 years ago and thought he deserved a crack.

Ultimately he proved to be a fish out of water. He'll come again I'm sure. I can see him winding back up at Everton in a couple of years.

[Guest]

The fact he was terrible makes him a terrible signing

It really doesn't, Bebe was a terrible signing because it made no sense paying that amount for somebody nobody had ever heard of, paying £6mil for a brazil international seemed like a sound investment at the time.

Had anyone heard of Cristiano Ronaldo when Manchester United bought him from Lisbon?

Fergie got that one right. He knew.

But the average fan. No.  Was it about 14 mil, seems like a bargain now.

Legend has it that Liverpool turned him down at 4 million quid. But who's to say that he'd have flourished at Anfield?

Took him a good while to get going at United. Fergie kept the faith.

[AberdeenSteve]

I think a lot can be said about Moyes with how Everton have thrived under Martinez.

Moyes was comfortable at Everton, Manchester United need a manager on the up.

Klopp, please say yes   

[westisbest]

So, who is coming up in the Play Offs?

Now that Bournemouth cant make it, then from an away day point of view.
Reading or QPR.

Will go with Reading. Cant stand Harry.

If we go down then it wont matter 

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Norwich didn't surprise me. RVW hasn't surprised me and I called him as a poor signing at the time. Ran before they could walk in the transfer market

I think with RVW he needs time to adapt that you don't get these days, not physically strong enough and his confidence is in tatters. Someone from Holland will take him and he'll start scoring again.

Not sure what you mean by ran before we could walk in the transfer market? We spent pretty much similar amounts to all the other bottom half sides

[skyeman]

Hands up time.

I thought at the time that Moyes was a good choice, especially with such a glowing endorsement from the greatest British manager ever.

I called Moyes getting the job on here 3 years ago and thought he deserved a crack.

Ultimately he proved to be a fish out of water. He'll come again I'm sure. I can see him winding back up at Everton in a couple of years.

Well, you were right.

About five years ago, i even thought Martin O'Neill was gonna be the one.

[Gregers]

With any luck lambert will go down as well, whoever said he was better than Rodgers....

Villa, Norwich and Cardiff down I reckon. Sunderland have got the momentum and still fancy Fulham to stay up on final day

And as much as I'd love brighton to go up I reckon Wigan will, should never have gone down

[AberdeenSteve]

With any luck lambert will go down as well, whoever said he was better than Rodgers....

Lambert is a great manager, his Villa team are missing experienced heads in the middle of defence and midfield. If he can find those missing links, and get Beneteke back to last seasons form he has a good squad there.

[westisbest]

Lambert can go down, if/when we stay up.

Need at least a point next sat.

Hope Sunderland/Cardiff draw tomorrow.

Then obviously those below lose remaining games.

Change of mind at this late stage, going with.

Norwich
Fulham
Cardiff.

[westisbest]

With any luck lambert will go down as well, whoever said he was better than Rodgers....

Lambert is a great manager, his Villa team are missing experienced heads in the middle of defence and midfield. If he can find those missing links, and get Beneteke back to last seasons form he has a good squad there.

Thats a big IF

[Guest]

With any luck lambert will go down as well, whoever said he was better than Rodgers....

Lambert is a great manager, his Villa team are missing experienced heads in the middle of defence and midfield. If he can find those missing links, and get Beneteke back to last seasons form he has a good squad there.

Dunno about great. Competent given the right resources but great? Nah.

[Gregers]

I'm sorry but he's not a good manager, let alone great, in my opinion at least. Outside of bentekkers he has bought very poorly in the market and has a villa side that is only going backwards. Before him they were competing with Everton and Spurs for the Europa league places, but in the two seasons he has been there they have been involved in relegation scraps

Both Rodgers and Martinez have gone from lower sides and really kicked on, Lambert has done nothing of note at all at villa (with the exception being Bentekkers who will be moving in at the end if the season regardless)

[TopoftheChops]

I'm not even gonna bother replying to some of the completely inaccurate and mindless drivel that is currently being written about my club on here.

I've never been more disappointed in a Norwich City team than I was when I flicked through that game. Gutless, pathetic performance. On the back of such a great one against Liverpool

We've spent money, tried to establish ourselves this season, but unfortunately the manager firstly wasn't up to it with his poor tactics, and inability to integrate players into a system that suited them, secondly the board have handled this season appallingly (Hughton should've gone earlier, no money spent in January) and thirdly the players have been pathetic. This has led to a complete clusterf*ck of campaign, we're we've only picked up 8 points away! 8 points, Jesus

We'll go down, and one day we'll be back. We're a well run club, debt free externally (only owe a few bob to Delia), get 27,000 sell outs week in week out, so we're in a good position to make a charge next season and try again in the Prem if we get there.

Its been three years full of highs and lows, but unfortunately its all coming to an unsavoury end. But hey, it wouldn't be Norwich City if it all ended without some controversy.

I'll be sad to see Norwich go if it happens Olly, as you say they're just starting to try and establish themselves as a Premier League club and if they get the right manager in place I'm sure they'll have a bright future.

The right manager is the nail on the head Hampo.

When Lambert left, we didn't appoint a manager who was right for our football club. Chris Hughton is a nice bloke, and I'm sure he'll do well in his career elsewhere, but his style of football and what he wants to do are just the complete opposite of what Lambert did here and what Norwich City play. It just wasnt the right fit.

Hopefully we can find a manager who is the right fit, personally I'd like to see Adams given a shot as I don't think their is a great field of managers out there now. But we'll see.

Still we get to thump Ipswich twice next year, so there's a silver lining to every cloud   

Don't be so confident mate!

[Gregers]

If Cardiff go down I could see them doing a Birmingham, maybe not a a Wolves but a big collapse none the less

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I'm sorry but he's not a good manager, let alone great, in my opinion at least. Outside of bentekkers he has bought very poorly in the market and has a villa side that is only going backwards. Before him they were competing with Everton and Spurs for the Europa league places, but in the two seasons he has been there they have been involved in relegation scraps

Both Rodgers and Martinez have gone from lower sides and really kicked on, Lambert has done nothing of note at all at villa (with the exception being Bentekkers who will be moving in at the end if the season regardless)

Villa finished just outside the relegation zone when he took over in the summer of 2012.

And he's had to cut wages, and has an owner who wants to sell up so has put hardly any money in. And they've had horrid luck with injuries

He hasn't been great, but there's a lot of mitigating circumstances at Aston Villa. And there have been since Martin O'Neill overspent

[AberdeenSteve]

Before Lambert came in, Villa were spending.. He has very little resources and has found several good players from the lower leagues. He is suffering from overspending in the past & a chairman who doesn't give a toss. like I said in a previous post.. He is a couple of experienced heads away from a good squad at Villa.

I also believe Lambert brought Noriwch back to EPL faster than the club were expecting with a team that played fantastic football.

I hope Olly doesn't hate me enough from my Norwich bashing to not comment and defend Lambert alongside me

[Gregers]

Did they? Well it's hardly a long time ago that oNeil had them flying high. Lambert is average at best

[Guest]

Yeah in fairness O'Neil did have a decent amount of money to play with and Villa were rank under Alex McCleish.

That said I've still seen nothing to suggest that Paul Lambert is anything other than an also-ran.

[skyeman]

The 40-year-old Giggs promised a return to the traditional Manchester United style of play ahead of kick off, with "passion, speed, tempo, bravery and imagination," to the fore.

Says a lot to me what Giggs thought about the Moyes way.

Just still think even Moyes did not know which way to go. And never the belief in the final 15 mins when behind that used to be there. They never gave up.

[AberdeenSteve]

Also, love how a manager like Martinez has Wigan scraping in the EPL for 5 seasons and nobody ever hated on him.

That isn't me looking for an argument, just a pondering...

[TopoftheChops]

I'll be ecstatic to see the back of Norwich, awful club.

I am glad Hughton got the boot from there, as I believe he is better manager than Norwich and I think it's be proven by the demise of Norwich since they sacked him.

Sunderland to stay up (I hope), with Fulham, Norwich & Cardiff to go down.

Who do the people on this thread see coming up from the Championship via the Play Offs, or rather, who would you like to see come up?

Please don't be QPR!   

You're my favourite poster steve

[westisbest]

I'm sorry but he's not a good manager, let alone great, in my opinion at least. Outside of bentekkers he has bought very poorly in the market and has a villa side that is only going backwards. Before him they were competing with Everton and Spurs for the Europa league places, but in the two seasons he has been there they have been involved in relegation scraps

Both Rodgers and Martinez have gone from lower sides and really kicked on, Lambert has done nothing of note at all at villa (with the exception being Bentekkers who will be moving in at the end if the season regardless)

Agree totally.

These guys he signed have been shocking.

Sylla,
Tonev
Luna
Bennett
KEA
Bowery.
Holt.

Rest have been decent enough.
Thats still 8 poor players.

Jury still out on Okore, as he has been injured most of the season.

Just poor.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I think a lot can be said about Moyes with how Everton have thrived under Martinez.

Moyes was comfortable at Everton, Manchester United need a manager on the up.

Klopp, please say yes   

Don't think you can use Everton this season as any indicator of Moyes as a manager, albeit ironically through his poor management of United especially buying Fellaini, as their manager he didn't have the benefit of United and Tottenham sides playing atrociously.

For the ten years he was there he did a fine job indeed and we'll only know whether Martinez has taken them forwards in the seasons that follow because regardless of how they have played they look set to miss out on Champions League football anyway.

A lot of their success this year has been down to their loan signings of whom they may not be able to keep long term so for all we know right now it may just be a short term flash in the pan.

[Guest]

Also, love how a manager like Martinez has Wigan scraping in the EPL for 5 seasons and nobody ever hated on him.

That isn't me looking for an argument, just a pondering...

He got blood out of a stone at Wigan. Oh and he won the FA Cup.

Not much to hate on really Steve.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Before Lambert came in, Villa were spending.. He has very little resources and has found several good players from the lower leagues. He is suffering from overspending in the past & a chairman who doesn't give a toss. like I said in a previous post.. He is a couple of experienced heads away from a good squad at Villa.

I also believe Lambert brought Noriwch back to EPL faster than the club were expecting with a team that played fantastic football.

I hope Olly doesn't hate me enough from my Norwich bashing to not comment and defend Lambert alongside me

You made good points Steve, your allowed your opinion!

Lambert did a miraculous job at Norwich.

As I've said the problems at Villa run deeper than the manager, and they've been a club on the slide well before Lambert got there. He's done an OK job there

Lambert's a good young manager, had success at Norwich, a rough spell at Villa. He'll learn and improve and be stronger for it

Villa will stay where they are until Lerner sells up. Cos he ain't putting any money in to help anymore

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I'm not even gonna bother replying to some of the completely inaccurate and mindless drivel that is currently being written about my club on here.

I've never been more disappointed in a Norwich City team than I was when I flicked through that game. Gutless, pathetic performance. On the back of such a great one against Liverpool

We've spent money, tried to establish ourselves this season, but unfortunately the manager firstly wasn't up to it with his poor tactics, and inability to integrate players into a system that suited them, secondly the board have handled this season appallingly (Hughton should've gone earlier, no money spent in January) and thirdly the players have been pathetic. This has led to a complete clusterf*ck of campaign, we're we've only picked up 8 points away! 8 points, Jesus

We'll go down, and one day we'll be back. We're a well run club, debt free externally (only owe a few bob to Delia), get 27,000 sell outs week in week out, so we're in a good position to make a charge next season and try again in the Prem if we get there.

Its been three years full of highs and lows, but unfortunately its all coming to an unsavoury end. But hey, it wouldn't be Norwich City if it all ended without some controversy.

I'll be sad to see Norwich go if it happens Olly, as you say they're just starting to try and establish themselves as a Premier League club and if they get the right manager in place I'm sure they'll have a bright future.

The right manager is the nail on the head Hampo.

When Lambert left, we didn't appoint a manager who was right for our football club. Chris Hughton is a nice bloke, and I'm sure he'll do well in his career elsewhere, but his style of football and what he wants to do are just the complete opposite of what Lambert did here and what Norwich City play. It just wasnt the right fit.

Hopefully we can find a manager who is the right fit, personally I'd like to see Adams given a shot as I don't think their is a great field of managers out there now. But we'll see.

Still we get to thump Ipswich twice next year, so there's a silver lining to every cloud   

Don't be so confident mate!

Judging from what I saw today I ain't got much to worry about

Still its something to look forward to next season, missed the derby no matter the result they're always great games

[AberdeenSteve]

Also, love how a manager like Martinez has Wigan scraping in the EPL for 5 seasons and nobody ever hated on him.

That isn't me looking for an argument, just a pondering...

He got blood out of a stone at Wigan. Oh and he won the FA Cup.

Not much to hate on really Steve.

I know, it was the fact everyone is hating on managers and teams struggling in the EPL. It was never an argument, plus, who couldn't love that cute little smile

[Hammersmith harrier]

Whelan knew himself and said many times that Martinez was fighting a losing battle in keeping Wigan up, that he managed it for so long taking a few decent scalps in the process secured his job for as long as he wanted it.

[westisbest]

We've been on the slide since MON left.

Lerner is another clown. Guy has no interest.

[AberdeenSteve]

I think a lot can be said about Moyes with how Everton have thrived under Martinez.

Moyes was comfortable at Everton, Manchester United need a manager on the up.

Klopp, please say yes   

Don't think you can use Everton this season as any indicator of Moyes as a manager, albeit ironically through his poor management of United especially buying Fellaini, as their manager he didn't have the benefit of United and Tottenham sides playing atrociously.

For the ten years he was there he did a fine job indeed and we'll only know whether Martinez has taken them forwards in the seasons that follow because regardless of how they have played they look set to miss out on Champions League football anyway.

A lot of their success this year has been down to their loan signings of whom they may not be able to keep long term so for all we know right now it may just be a short term flash in the pan.

Do you not think he became a little stale at Everton? They never seemed to have that drive for the European places (apart from the one season), that they seem to currently have under Martinez. It almost came across that he was content with where Everton were.

[TopoftheChops]

I'm not even gonna bother replying to some of the completely inaccurate and mindless drivel that is currently being written about my club on here.

I've never been more disappointed in a Norwich City team than I was when I flicked through that game. Gutless, pathetic performance. On the back of such a great one against Liverpool

We've spent money, tried to establish ourselves this season, but unfortunately the manager firstly wasn't up to it with his poor tactics, and inability to integrate players into a system that suited them, secondly the board have handled this season appallingly (Hughton should've gone earlier, no money spent in January) and thirdly the players have been pathetic. This has led to a complete clusterf*ck of campaign, we're we've only picked up 8 points away! 8 points, Jesus

We'll go down, and one day we'll be back. We're a well run club, debt free externally (only owe a few bob to Delia), get 27,000 sell outs week in week out, so we're in a good position to make a charge next season and try again in the Prem if we get there.

Its been three years full of highs and lows, but unfortunately its all coming to an unsavoury end. But hey, it wouldn't be Norwich City if it all ended without some controversy.

I'll be sad to see Norwich go if it happens Olly, as you say they're just starting to try and establish themselves as a Premier League club and if they get the right manager in place I'm sure they'll have a bright future.

The right manager is the nail on the head Hampo.

When Lambert left, we didn't appoint a manager who was right for our football club. Chris Hughton is a nice bloke, and I'm sure he'll do well in his career elsewhere, but his style of football and what he wants to do are just the complete opposite of what Lambert did here and what Norwich City play. It just wasnt the right fit.

Hopefully we can find a manager who is the right fit, personally I'd like to see Adams given a shot as I don't think their is a great field of managers out there now. But we'll see.

Still we get to thump Ipswich twice next year, so there's a silver lining to every cloud   

Don't be so confident mate!

Judging from what I saw today I ain't got much to worry about

Still its something to look forward to next season, missed the derby no matter the result they're always great games

We'll be a changed team next season and you'll be relying on the murphy brothers to save you

[Guest]

We've been on the slide since MON left.

Lerner is another clown. Guy has no interest.

I think this is paramount to Villa's future. He was quite regular at Villa Park, as a fan, but has he been there at all this season?

For all his flaws even Doug Ellis had the clubs best interests at heart and yearned to see them compete.

The sooner the sale the better for your boys Westy.

[Fernando]

I suspect there is many sides hoping for a new owner. If could get Kroenke out of Arsenal some point this year id be delighted.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Like I said this season is an anomaly for many reasons so think it's harsh to suggest Everton had stagnated under Moyes, he took them as far as the investment allowed. If he had a poor United and Tottenham to compete against with the loan signings they currently have they would be in the exact same position just with a different style of play.

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