Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

by It Must Be Love Sun Apr 20, 2014 6:20 pm

First topic message reminder :

I wouldn't mind Klopp replacing Moyes, if he does leave.

by AberdeenSteve Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:24 am

Crimey wrote:I think the signings Norwich made were actually very decent looking signings. I thought they did very well in the market, working under the radar snapping up players that could very easily have been signed by teams either a few places above them in the Premier League or abroad. I don't think any of the signings they made in the summer, other than Elmander, looked dodgy. I think Olly is basically right when it was a failure of Hughton that Norwich spent money signings these players, who are undoubtedly good footballers, and Hughton refused to adapt the style or shape of the side to accommodate them. I don't think Norwich should have been relegated at the start of the year, I thought they would be pushing top half, I think it's been a combination of poor management and the players not playing to their best that has led to them being in the position they are in.

Yet Elmander has actually scored this season Laugh

by AberdeenSteve Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:57 am

After watching the Stoke v Spurs match on MOTD, Andre Marriner needs to be taking off of the Premier League games. Being a referee myself, that is a man completely bereft of confidence. He was clearly unaware that he'd booked Shawcross, and to not send off Danny Rose for the push is absolutely crazy. Completely agree with Mark Hughes that it seemed Marriner was guessing at times.

I know the feeling, but he can't be taken games with his confidence the way it is. Poor lad.

by John Cregan Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:07 am

Crimey wrote:I think the signings Norwich made were actually very decent looking signings. I thought they did very well in the market, working under the radar snapping up players that could very easily have been signed by teams either a few places above them in the Premier League or abroad. I don't think any of the signings they made in the summer, other than Elmander, looked dodgy. I think Olly is basically right when it was a failure of Hughton that Norwich spent money signings these players, who are undoubtedly good footballers, and Hughton refused to adapt the style or shape of the side to accommodate them. I don't think Norwich should have been relegated at the start of the year, I thought they would be pushing top half, I think it's been a combination of poor management and the players not playing to their best that has led to them being in the position they are in.

Based on the 20 PL squads at the start of the season, Im not sure you can say that Norwich could be "pushing top half", although i see where you are coming from. From Newcastle in 9th to Sunderland in 20th, there's very little difference between these teams. No team got cut off this season. IMO, Cardiff are the poorest team in the league - but they may survive.

by John Cregan Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:14 am

AberdeenSteve wrote:After watching the Stoke v Spurs match on MOTD, Andre Marriner needs to be taking off of the Premier League games. Being a referee myself, that is a man completely bereft of confidence. He was clearly unaware that he'd booked Shawcross, and to not send off Danny Rose for the push is absolutely crazy. Completely agree with Mark Hughes that it seemed Marriner was guessing at times.

I know the feeling, but he can't be taken games with his confidence the way it is. Poor lad.

Is what Rose did a sending off though? I know the "you can't raise your hands" thing is often trotted out,but sometimes referees need to take account of the circumstances, and i thought a yellow was sufficient. The 2nd Shawcross yellow was a bit harsh, but it was a reasonable call and it shouldn't matter whether or not he was aware that he was already on a yellow. I thought Mark Hughes' comments were really unfair.

by westisbest Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:19 am

John wrote:
TopoftheChops wrote:villa's defence is shocking

and according to many sources, Van Gaal might bring Vlaar to Old Trafford

As for Bony, why did we not just stump up the £12m last summer, instead we pi**ed around & did nothing......and then in January we got De Jong

Vlaar is actually decent.

Its guys like Baker Clarke Bennett that are poor.

Bertrand hasn't been to good either.

by mystiroakey Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:20 am

I really felt for Norwich

I doubt any team bar the top 4 could have.beaten them.

They played last season footy second half. And we all knew they would

The belief just floods back once you get the shackles taken off you

Martinez.to barca. Lol

Hahaha. Way to kill a young talent early.

Maybe in 10 years or so.

Arsenal in 3 years would be my guess

by CFCNick Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:55 am

Does Baker think he'll be a Villa legend if he has his hair and beard like Mellberg?

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:57 am

Crimey wrote:I think the signings Norwich made were actually very decent looking signings. I thought they did very well in the market, working under the radar snapping up players that could very easily have been signed by teams either a few places above them in the Premier League or abroad. I don't think any of the signings they made in the summer, other than Elmander, looked dodgy. I think Olly is basically right when it was a failure of Hughton that Norwich spent money signings these players, who are undoubtedly good footballers, and Hughton refused to adapt the style or shape of the side to accommodate them. I don't think Norwich should have been relegated at the start of the year, I thought they would be pushing top half, I think it's been a combination of poor management and the players not playing to their best that has led to them being in the position they are in.

Nail. Head. Repeatedly!

At the end of the day Hughton signed strikers who do they're best work in the 18 yard box and need service. We never give them any service, and expect them to hold the ball up and take the minimal chances that come there way.

Hughton either needed to sign a big target man to fit his current system or fit his system around his new strikers. He did neither and its gone a long way to helping our demise

by TopoftheChops Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:25 am

Olly wrote:I mean we signed Tettey and Garrido last season from abroad so its hardly like we've made a massive leap to buy from foreign markets

We spent some money to try and establish ourselves, some of it went on guys outside of Britain, some of it went on players domestically. It hasn't worked out unfortunately for us

The reason why town went down was buying foreign players after finishing 5th in the prem. The team had a great work ethïc but buying players like sereni, george and counago affected the team badly and led to relegation

by AberdeenSteve Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:38 am

John Cregan wrote:
AberdeenSteve wrote:After watching the Stoke v Spurs match on MOTD, Andre Marriner needs to be taking off of the Premier League games. Being a referee myself, that is a man completely bereft of confidence. He was clearly unaware that he'd booked Shawcross, and to not send off Danny Rose for the push is absolutely crazy. Completely agree with Mark Hughes that it seemed Marriner was guessing at times.

I know the feeling, but he can't be taken games with his confidence the way it is. Poor lad.

Is what Rose did a sending off though? I know the "you can't raise your hands" thing is often trotted out,but sometimes referees need to take account of the circumstances, and i thought a yellow was sufficient. The 2nd Shawcross yellow was a bit harsh, but it was a reasonable call and it shouldn't matter whether or not he was aware that he was already on a yellow. I thought Mark Hughes' comments were really unfair.

Rose was a definite red card, you only have to look at the way Rose approached the situation and how aggressively he pushed Cameron. If you are following the rulebook or taking the situation in context, it is a red card every day of the week. It was heated, and the fact that Sherwood subbed him straight after says alot. He knew he was lucky to still be on the pitch, so remove him from the game before he actually sent off.

As for Shawcross, I feel that if most referees were aware they had already booked Shawcross they wouldn't have sent him off in that situation. It was a late tackle but very little malice. Look at the way Marriner gives Shawcross the yellow, he then goes into his book to take it down and realises he has already been booked. If you are sending someone off, the red card should be half way out your pocket when the yellow is shown.

by Stella Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:49 am

Shawcross deserved to go. Definite two yellows. Rose though could have easily gone.

by mystiroakey Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:38 am

Ok.

3 Big games today if you are a palace fan. If you are not the first two certainly are.

predos

sunderland 0- 2 cardiff
chelsea 1 - 3 liverpool
palace 1-0 Citeh

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:40 am

FreekShow wrote:Citing foreign transfers as a reason for failure is ridiculous full stop.

God forbid the regular homegrown players sharing some fault.

The big signings to add to their squad hadnt played in the Premier League. None of their signings had proven themselves as that good in the Premier League. They're probably going to go down. Not everything in the world is Chris Hughton ruining Olly's life by being a bad coach.

by **Crimey** Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:44 am

Very nervous about the game today, think the team will be the same as the one that started at Norwich with Sturridge off of the bench. Think Henderson will be a big miss today as Lucas and Allen don't have the same energy levels or talent for running past the forwards. Expect Chelsea to sit back and hit on the break and that is where Liverpool struggle. Whatever happens, I think it will be a very intriguing game.

I would take a draw now.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:57 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
FreekShow wrote:Citing foreign transfers as a reason for failure is ridiculous full stop.

God forbid the regular homegrown players sharing some fault.

The big signings to add to their squad hadnt played in the Premier League. None of their signings had proven themselves as that good in the Premier League. They're probably going to go down. Not everything in the world is Chris Hughton ruining Olly's life by being a bad coach.

Barely any of our signings over the Premier League years have played in the league. When we came up we had like James Vaughan who was the only guy who had "experience". Its incredibly overrated

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:59 am

Anyways come on the draw!!!

#wickhamforengland

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:01 am

Olly wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
FreekShow wrote:Citing foreign transfers as a reason for failure is ridiculous full stop.

God forbid the regular homegrown players sharing some fault.

The big signings to add to their squad hadnt played in the Premier League. None of their signings had proven themselves as that good in the Premier League. They're probably going to go down. Not everything in the world is Chris Hughton ruining Olly's life by being a bad coach.

Barely any of our signings over the Premier League years have played in the league. When we came up we had like James Vaughan who was the only guy who had "experience". Its incredibly overrated

You say that, but you've never really been that good in the Premier League. Well, not since VHS' and the 90s

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:02 am

Medel vs Cattermole excites me a lot #red #5050 #red #5050 #red #5050 #red #5050

by mystiroakey Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:03 am

Olly wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
FreekShow wrote:Citing foreign transfers as a reason for failure is ridiculous full stop.

God forbid the regular homegrown players sharing some fault.

The big signings to add to their squad hadnt played in the Premier League. None of their signings had proven themselves as that good in the Premier League. They're probably going to go down. Not everything in the world is Chris Hughton ruining Olly's life by being a bad coach.

Barely any of our signings over the Premier League years have played in the league. When we came up we had like James Vaughan who was the only guy who had "experience". Its incredibly overrated

totally- top level champ players just need a decent coach to bring them up to standard- its been proved time and time again(this time by palace Wink

)

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:04 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Olly wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
FreekShow wrote:Citing foreign transfers as a reason for failure is ridiculous full stop.

God forbid the regular homegrown players sharing some fault.

The big signings to add to their squad hadnt played in the Premier League. None of their signings had proven themselves as that good in the Premier League. They're probably going to go down. Not everything in the world is Chris Hughton ruining Olly's life by being a bad coach.

Barely any of our signings over the Premier League years have played in the league. When we came up we had like James Vaughan who was the only guy who had "experience". Its incredibly overrated

You say that, but you've never really been that good in the Premier League. Well, not since VHS' and the 90s

We were pretty decent in our first year up, but of course we've not been that good, we're not an established side in the league!

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:06 am

Olly wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Olly wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
FreekShow wrote:Citing foreign transfers as a reason for failure is ridiculous full stop.

God forbid the regular homegrown players sharing some fault.

The big signings to add to their squad hadnt played in the Premier League. None of their signings had proven themselves as that good in the Premier League. They're probably going to go down. Not everything in the world is Chris Hughton ruining Olly's life by being a bad coach.

Barely any of our signings over the Premier League years have played in the league. When we came up we had like James Vaughan who was the only guy who had "experience". Its incredibly overrated

You say that, but you've never really been that good in the Premier League. Well, not since VHS' and the 90s

We were pretty decent in our first year up, but of course we've not been that good, we're not an established side in the league!

Maybe if you'd signed some established players Cool

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:09 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Olly wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Olly wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
FreekShow wrote:Citing foreign transfers as a reason for failure is ridiculous full stop.

God forbid the regular homegrown players sharing some fault.

The big signings to add to their squad hadnt played in the Premier League. None of their signings had proven themselves as that good in the Premier League. They're probably going to go down. Not everything in the world is Chris Hughton ruining Olly's life by being a bad coach.

Barely any of our signings over the Premier League years have played in the league. When we came up we had like James Vaughan who was the only guy who had "experience". Its incredibly overrated

You say that, but you've never really been that good in the Premier League. Well, not since VHS' and the 90s

We were pretty decent in our first year up, but of course we've not been that good, we're not an established side in the league!

Maybe if you'd signed some established players

Well we signed Michael Turner... Whistle

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:25 am

I stand down.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:26 am

Him again

by mystiroakey Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:26 am

wickham is the difference- making everyone else of the pitch look silly and guess what- he scores

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:26 am

Olly wrote:Anyways come on the draw!!!

#wickhamforengland

#wickhamforengland

by mystiroakey Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:29 am

Olly wrote:
Olly wrote:Anyways come on the draw!!!

#wickhamforengland

#wickhamforengland

one day for sure- must be worth quite a few quid. reminds me of puncheon. doing so well know he is settled rather than being loaned out everywhere. Must be on better clubs eyes at the moment

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:29 am

Cattermole needs to be careful he "doesnt pick up a needless booking" according to the commentary. I presume thats just a stock soundbite they have for every game he's ever played

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:31 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Cattermole needs to be careful he "doesnt pick up a needless booking" according to the commentary. I presume thats just a stock soundbite they have for every game he's ever played

Its like the cooking quips they use when we play

by AberdeenSteve Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:33 am

Lets hope there isn't crazy pressure put on Wickham's shoulders. He was great with Ipswich in the Championship but has struggled to find his feet since he moved to Sunderland (probably due to the many managerial changes and constantly been farmed out).

He is however a very good talent, and has come good this season with some good coaching and nurturing from Poyet.

Calls for him to go to the World Cup are crazy though.

by mystiroakey Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:36 am

yeah no way would I take him to the world cup.

But one to look at - hopefully he will stay in the prem in a team that plays him regularly- the last thing he needs is to go to a bigger club and then end up on the bench or being farmed out again to stunt his progression.

SO for me - stay at Sunderland if they stay up or come to palace if they go down.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:45 am

Phil Dowds what are you doing

by mystiroakey Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:46 am

the ref has made the decision.

it was allways coming.

wickham didnt go down but still got the penalty..

by **hampo17** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:47 am

Fair play to Dowd, most referees would just let it go but he's stuck to his conviction, however the pull was outside the box by about a yard and a half.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:47 am

Didn't realise advantage lasted for like 15 seconds

by mystiroakey Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:48 am

bit unlucky though- the pull was outside the box- so its red out the box and yellow in and pen..(well should be imo)

more controversy

jeas when will it end

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:48 am

Was about two yards outside the box as well

Frak off

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:50 am

And since when has a little tug on the arm denied the chance?

by mystiroakey Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:50 am

Olly wrote:And since when has a little tug on the arm denied the chance?

well it does- but its rarely given

by AberdeenSteve Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:52 am

Great refereeing with regards to the advantage that was played. However, Dowd has not been helped by his assistant there.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:52 am

"@tomvictor: That card was only ever going to be Juan Cala"

This fella has won at twitter

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:54 am

How can that be a red card and the foul Whittaker did yesterday not even a yellow

by **hampo17** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:55 am

Just on the pull back Olly, Juan Calla isn't going to catch him and that pull allows him to keep and get goal side. The reply certainly shows the pull is actually in the box as well.

by mystiroakey Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:56 am

well the foul did continue in to the box,

honesty won wickham the pen- because if he had gone down it would have been earlier and outside the box.

Good reffing, and honesty for once works out in the attacking players favour

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:58 am

Foul continues into the box so its a pen. Its a clear foul too, as was the one on Welbeck yesterday.

by compelling and rich Sun Apr 27, 2014 7:59 am

just seen shelveys goal, better than rooneys for me. savage talks some rubbish criticizing the keeper like it was his fault. the keeper was at fault more for the rooney one than that. rooneys was savable. shelveys he didnt have a chance

by mystiroakey Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:01 am

still a good goal from rooney though- tough to blame the keeper for either goal though! just good goals - end of

by compelling and rich Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:01 am

Olly wrote:How can that be a red card and the foul Whittaker did yesterday not even a yellow

said this yesterday that if its a foul it had to be a red. replays showed it was a bit soft but watching it live it looked like a blatant pen on first viewing and it was right in front of me. looked like he took his leg the way he fell

by mystiroakey Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:02 am

"How can that be a red card and the foul Whittaker did yesterday not even a yellow"

both yellows for me.

by compelling and rich Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:03 am

mystiroakey wrote:still a good goal from rooney though- tough to blame the keeper for either goal though! just good goals - end of

oh im not denying there both great goals, but if the keeper tracks the ball instead of turning his back and running away from it he can catch rooneys pretty easy. thats why shelveys is better for me

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