Man Utd - The Gaalacticos thread

[Ent]

First topic message reminder :

Can see the same thing happening with Kroos, when Bayern stump up the wage & then the pressure will be on Moyes massively, after constantly telling everyone that he's been given the nod by these agents that these players wanted to come to United.

He shouldn't be saying things like that IMO. Just making things harder for himself.

[Stella]

£8m for an England international sounds like a bargain. Well, a decent buy anyway.

[Hero]

An area in which Utd have fallen behind others in recent years is the links with feeder clubs and sending players to these clubs on loan.
Utd have FC Twente, Antwerp and Fluminense amongst 13 clubs that have ties to the club. Not one player Utd own are at loan (9 Utd players are currently out on loan) at these clubs nor in recent history has one played joined Utd from these clubs. What current benefit are these?
Chelsea have 2, LA Galaxy and Vitesse yet currently have 30 players out on loan. Names such as Courtois, Lukaku, Piazon, Romeu, Van Aanholt, Zouma, Marin, Hazard etc, they could make a team that would challenge top 6 from players out on loan.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Chelsea's disgusting behaviour in the loan market should be clamped down on. Just stockpiling players and ruining their progression to make sure that their rivals don't buy them.

[GSC]

In before Nick defends the virtues of the peoples club

[owen10ozzy]

Courtois.....Lukaku...there progression definitely seems ruined   

[Sam]

Courtois.....Lukaku...there progression definitely seems ruined   

   

[GSC]

Will be interesting to see if any get the chance to make the grade at Chelsea. Joses not a great fan of blooding youth.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Courtois.....Lukaku...there progression definitely seems ruined   

I think you can easily find far more players they have hindered than they have helped in their desire to just buy up the young market. Especially as they won't even play Lukaku in a year where Mourinho claims he has no strikers

[Ent]

An area in which Utd have fallen behind others in recent years is the links with feeder clubs and sending players to these clubs on loan.
Utd have FC Twente, Antwerp and Fluminense amongst 13 clubs that have ties to the club. Not one player Utd own are at loan (9 Utd players are currently out on loan) at these clubs nor in recent history has one played joined Utd from these clubs. What current benefit are these?
Chelsea have 2, LA Galaxy and Vitesse yet currently have 30 players out on loan. Names such as Courtois, Lukaku, Piazon, Romeu, Van Aanholt, Zouma, Marin, Hazard etc, they could make a team that would challenge top 6 from players out on loan.

That's because for the last decade ferguson has had loads of former players as managers to loan players to.

We used to loan lots of youngsters to Antwerp but stopped as the standard was very low.

[Ent]

Ssn reporting united have responded to the lmas statement.

Basically saying they didn't decide until Monday night and told him face to face when he showed up on Tuesday morning.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Should probably take their word for it, no way the reports were correct at all.

[Ent]

Don't know what to make of it, I certainly think moyes knew he was going before the Everton game but it would be outrageous for the club to be making such false statements.

[GSC]

Pretty harmless actually. Moyes was told tuesday. Nobody with inside knowledge would have a reason to contradict it.

[mystiroakey]

Cleverley to Everton for £8m, is this serious? Martinez   

cleverly first 20 games of the last season was top in alot of passing accuracy stats- he really did ok. there is potential in him..

And well can we judge Martinez?

But this is a classic case of the issues United have to deal with- they will have to pay inflated money for good players and they will have to sell players that could and should be worth more for less than there were worth under Sir Fergie because they have gone backwards

[CFCNick]

Januzaj has picked Belgium

[mystiroakey]

Januzaj has picked Belgium

fair play to him.

[Ent]

Bit late to be declaring isn't it? Could have played in more friendlies etc had he declared earlier.

[skyeman]

That would seem to suggest Van Gaal, out of contract with Holland after the World Cup in the summer, may emerge as the most likely candidate, although there have been reports that some senior players are concerned about his strict approach.


Should, after how they performed for large parts be allowed to have such a say?

Maybe it is what they need. Far too pampered.

[Ent]

Think thats just paper talk.

Our senior players are;

Vidic (leaving)
Evra (most likely leaving)
Rio (35, has 1 year left at most)
Carrick
Fletcher
Rooney
Giggs
RVP (Van Gaal is his current manager)

Can't really see any of them complaining about a top manager because he is a bit strict, most of them are approaching the end of their careers so will want another shot at trophies.

Plus, Fergie was hardly forgiving was he.

[skyeman]

Think thats just paper talk.

Our senior players are;

Vidic (leaving)
Evra (most likely leaving)
Rio (35, has 1 year left at most)
Carrick
Fletcher
Rooney
Giggs
RVP (Van Gaal is his current manager)

Can't really see any of them complaining about a top manager because he is a bit strict, most of them are approaching the end of their careers so will want another shot at trophies.

Plus, Fergie was hardly forgiving was he.

True. But from what i have read, the squad did not like Moyes strict and long practice sessions. It was said to be more relaxed under Sir Alex.

So they might not be too taken with much of the same.

[Ent]

Think thats just paper talk.

Our senior players are;

Vidic (leaving)
Evra (most likely leaving)
Rio (35, has 1 year left at most)
Carrick
Fletcher
Rooney
Giggs
RVP (Van Gaal is his current manager)

Can't really see any of them complaining about a top manager because he is a bit strict, most of them are approaching the end of their careers so will want another shot at trophies.

Plus, Fergie was hardly forgiving was he.

True. But from what i have read, the squad did not like Moyes strict and long practice sessions. It was said to be more relaxed under Sir Alex.

So they might not be too taken with much of the same.

I think it was more they found the training archaic and people kept getting injured.

I just can't see it, every player who puts a book out or does an interview about joining united always say how hard the players work.

[skyeman]

Not saying it is true in Utd's case, but players under a certain manager for several teams over the years, where a manager is not particularly liked have whether they meant to or not, underperformed.



And cost the manager his job. And hard on the fans.

Chelsea recently.

[Ent]

I'm not disputing that, you could argue that's poor management too.

Don't buy it that the senior players would think van gaal is too strict.

[skyeman]

Notably, there was no mention of a thank you to players when the former Everton manager spoke out for the first time since his dismissal yesterday. With this in mind, we want your views on player power. Are footballers now holding all the cards at clubs?

Too much so in some cases.

They only hurt their clubs fans. They should give their best at all times whether they like a managers ways or not.

[jbeadlesbigrighthand]

I'm interested to see the papers linking Man Utd with a move for Cavani. While top quality players are always a good addition, assuming they have a war chest of say £150m, is it really wise to spend so much of it on a player like Cavani? Particularly given that they probably need to buy at least one centre back (desperately), a couple of central midfielders, at least one full back, and maybe even a winger or two.

Is this just an attempt to buoy the stock price with the hint of marquee additions, or does this move make sense? Is this also just a sounding-out exercise so that the new manager can come and give the final say on transfers which are already warmed up?

[GSC]

I still think RVP will be gone, considering why he moved to United in the first place

[skyeman]

I still think RVP will be gone, considering why he moved to United in the first place

Same here. He helped to make United champions, but back to his injury prone ways.

[jbeadlesbigrighthand]

I still think RVP will be gone, considering why he moved to United in the first place

I'm not so sure. He'll be 31 before the start of the new season and has a pretty bad injury record. He also has another couple of seasons on his contract. He isn't in the strongest position to engineer a move, and I can't see another club offering big money for him, even if they desperately needed him. The only possibility is if United cut their losses on him and sold him for say £10m. But where would he go? Nowhere in England. Spanish teams either don't need him, can't afford him, or are no more attractive than Man Utd. I can't see PSG selling Cavani to bring in Van Persie. Monaco? Juve? I wouldn't think so.

Then add in the van Gaal factor. I just don't see it happening. More likely that United keep him another couple of years while bringing on Januzaj as a successor.

[compelling and rich]

hope we dont get cavani, over hyped to the extreme. ive seen him for uraguay a fair few times and more often than not he was awful and he's hardly setting the league alight in a terribly weak french league playing for the standout team.

he must have a great agent to keep getting linked with 50mil plus deals, he's a 20-25 mil player tops

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I can see why he'd be a target. Fast, a bit direct, but more importantly a name and a sign of intent. Good to see belief that the Fabregas deal might be attempted again, I enjoyed that

[GSC]

Anywhere he can challenge for CL and league titles is attractive to United. It's why he joined them to begin with.

[Sam]

hope we dont get cavani, over hyped to the extreme. ive seen him for uraguay a fair few times and more often than not he was awful and he's hardly setting the league alight in a terribly weak french league playing for the standout team.

he must have a great agent to keep getting linked with 50mil plus deals, he's a 20-25 mil player tops

He's not having a great season as he's being played out on the wing most of the time to accommodate Ibra.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Might be a problem in a 4-3-3 Van Gaal system where his Dutch Captain takes precedence?

Interesting to see how Van Gaal would mould the team in his image. Rooney, Mata and RVP might not fit.

I want to see Ancelotti back in the Premier League and think hes the best fit for the role

[GSC]

I don't really think RVP is up for a season aiming for the top 4, with no CL Van Gaal or no. Tbh I'd move him on, 2 from 3 doesnt work

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Van Gaal won't move him on and RVP won't jump ship on him. Just won't happen.

I think RVP will stay anyway. Easy money, nowhere else to go. United won't sell him to Chelsea so its PSG? I'd imagine Juve are no longer interested

[Liam]

If anchelotti is a possibility id go all out for him. Real top manager and would be a perfect fit for me. Crucially knows the league and has experienced success in it, with giggs as his number 2 could be a great match. Crucially he's a big name manager which would attract players despite there being no CL football next season.

[Ent]

Just said similar myself on another thread Liam.

Won the league in Italy, France, England and in with a shout in Spain. Cups in 3/4 of those countries. Won 2 CLs, been to another final and won it twice himself as a player.

His teams score a lot of goals too.

Can't see Madrid letting him go though.

[The Special Juan]

Just said similar myself on another thread Liam.

Won the league in Italy, France, England and in with a shout in Spain. Cups in 3/4 of those countries. Won 2 CLs, been to another final and won it twice himself as a player.

His teams score a lot of goals too.

Can't see Madrid letting him go though.

Really? If he doesn't win the CL then Real will probably sack him and frankly, even if he does, they might sack him anyway. Odious club.

[LastDamnation]

I don't get the whole talk of spending 150m on the likes of Kroos, Reus etc.

1) What evidence is there that the Glazers will sanction such spending?

2) With no champions league it's going to be very difficult to attract the top levels of players, it's all well and good saying you can offer big wages but is that enough? When you consider that Reus for instance is wanted by every top club in Europe, how will united realistically get him?
There's a danger that this summer will be a lot like last one where they spent ages going after players they were never going to get.

3) The problem United has isn't that they don't have the top players, with the likes of RvP, Rooney, Mata. The problems have been that they haven't been solid enough in CM/defence, and their wingers haven't performed consistently. I think the priority should be to bring in solid/consistent players who will improve them in that regard (and get the current crop of attacking players fulfilling their potential). There are plenty of realistic targets out there they could go for who would do a good job in starting to rebuild without blowing 150m (e.g. schneiderlin would be a good long-term replacement/upgrade for carrick, rakitic would be a good link-up CM, permanently linked with garay etc.)

[Ent]

Mourinho got 3 years, I can't see them moving him on that quickly.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

If he wants to as well then its easy to see it happening

[Ent]

I don't get the whole talk of spending 150m on the likes of Kroos, Reus etc.

1) What evidence is there that the Glazers will sanction such spending?

2) With no champions league it's going to be very difficult to attract the top levels of players, it's all well and good saying you can offer big wages but is that enough? When you consider that Reus for instance is wanted by every top club in Europe, how will united realistically get him?
There's a danger that this summer will be a lot like last one where they spent ages going after players they were never going to get.

3) The problem United has isn't that they don't have the top players, with the likes of RvP, Rooney, Mata. The problems have been that they haven't been solid enough in CM/defence, and their wingers haven't performed consistently. I think the priority should be to bring in solid/consistent players who will improve them in that regard (and get the current crop of attacking players fulfilling their potential). There are plenty of realistic targets out there they could go for who would do a good job in starting to rebuild without blowing 150m (e.g. schneiderlin would be a good long-term replacement/upgrade for carrick, rakitic would be a good link-up CM, permanently linked with garay etc.)

The first 2 points are fair in my opinion, a lot depends on the managerial appointment - a big name is likely to attract players, after all 1 season out of the CL (whilst far from ideal) isn't a disaster with the right man at the helm.

I'd have some issues with the player suggestions though.

Schneiderlin is a decent player but you are looking at maybe Southamptons 6th or 7th best player - a team who are 8th in the PL. Is he really going to push us on to top 4 and challenging for trophies?

Rakitic is a good player but he plays very far forward, a lot of the time the furthest forward in a 5 man midfield behind a lone striker. This is the space Rooney and Mata want to play in. His release clause is rumoured to be around £35 million - that isn't particularly cheap.

Garay, been about a long time - decent player but we've been linked so many times and never pulled the trigger on him. He could be available for a reasonable fee given he apparently has 1 year left on his contract.

With those 3 signings you are talking about a potential £70 million outlay with (IMO) no guarantee of top four. Still leaves us needing a left back and a genuine top class CM.

[Ent]

If he wants to as well then its easy to see it happening

Yeah but you know what Madrid are like, can't see them just letting him walk away because he doesn't like the place.

If he isn't getting on with the bigwigs and they aren't getting on with him and he becomes available I'd jump at the chance.

[skyeman]

If anchelotti is a possibility id go all out for him. Real top manager and would be a perfect fit for me. Crucially knows the league and has experienced success in it, with giggs as his number 2 could be a great match. Crucially he's a big name manager which would attract players despite there being no CL football next season.

I agree with all.

[Ent]

Moyes chosen one banner has been taken down. Possibly going to be donated to the national football museum in Manchester.

Just all very sad.

A bit telling I think, if the fans were really behind him I think it would have stayed until the end of the season - we have 3 home games left I'd be surprised to hear come on David Moyes again too.

[compelling and rich]

im going sat, looking forward to a decent atmosphere. glad the embarrassing banner has been taken down. didn't like it in the first place

[Ent]

im going sat, looking forward to a decent atmosphere. glad the embarrassing banner has been taken down. didn't like it in the first place

They've been looking for an iconic banner since the city ticker had to come down.

Would have been good photos/close ups if he had been a success.

Get to many matches?

[compelling and rich]

im going sat, looking forward to a decent atmosphere. glad the embarrassing banner has been taken down. didn't like it in the first place

They've been looking for an iconic banner since the city ticker had to come down.

Would have been good photos/close ups if he had been a success.

Get to many matches?

a fair few, cant afford a season ticket but four of my mates can. when they cant make it i'll usually jump on

with the banner i just thought it was too much on the mourinho spin of the special one. starting comparing us to our rivals, thats more citys style

[Ent]

Didn't even cross my mind that, suppose it's because in pop culture and mythology there are a lot of chosen ones.

Most of the guys I knew who were regular match goers had no interest in Moyes becoming manager - what were the thoughts amongst your lot?

[compelling and rich]

mixed, i was never really a massive fan of the choice. few were pro the move saying that he will keep club ethics etc. overall it was a bit underwhelmed but soon as the decision was made we all just thought about getting behind him

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