Man Utd - The Gaalacticos thread

by Ent Tue 15 Apr 2014, 11:13 pm

First topic message reminder :

John wrote:Can see the same thing happening with Kroos, when Bayern stump up the wage & then the pressure will be on Moyes massively, after constantly telling everyone that he's been given the nod by these agents that these players wanted to come to United.

He shouldn't be saying things like that IMO. Just making things harder for himself.

by Guest Mon 28 Jul 2014, 9:54 pm

Unless LVG invests in wingers dont expect to see the 433 formation used much this year

'If we switch of 4-3-3 I will need more specialists on the wings & in attack so I'll need to buy another kind of player'

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Jul 2014, 10:22 pm

Ent wrote:Especially for you Mysti - only one player on tour has not been used yet...

ZAHA!

I hope this means he doesnt want him and they accept a bid from us

by Guest Mon 28 Jul 2014, 10:33 pm

With Zaha, I think it was the guardian I read it that before they jetted off LVG told his squad there was an optional training session that everybody bar Zaha attended. Dont know how true that is but I recall reading it before zaha had failed to take part in either game, so that could be a reason

I dont doubt he'll get a look in probably just being made to earn it

by Ent Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:10 pm

gazzyD wrote:With Zaha, I think it was the guardian I read it that before they jetted off LVG told his squad there was an optional training session that everybody bar Zaha attended. Dont know how true that is but I recall reading it before zaha had failed to take part in either game, so that could be a reason

I dont doubt he'll get a look in probably just being made to earn it

I'm not zahas biggest fan but surely he is not that stupid.

I mean is anyone that stupid.

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:17 pm

I dont know mate- all i know is he is a good talent and i dont want him wasted,

he was saying he was going to try his hardest and hardest to impress VDG - and it was a fresh start. So i cant believe he would have missed those sessions.

but if you wanna sell him- palace will pay the money back.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:21 pm

Sounds good to us Mysti, now is not the time to waste on those who fail to show the required commitment.

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:28 pm

fine by me- he never lacked commitment at palace- and everyone here 100% trusts him as well.

there is a clash going on up your end- not blaming united or zaha - . He is a damm hard worker- well he was..

however i wouldn't right him off yet- LVG is no moyes(he doesnt have any fit daughters) he will probally give him a shot with the lack of real quality you have on the wings.

by Guest Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:28 pm

Like I said HH they may be fabricated stories to make something out of nothing. Guess we'll see his commitment when gets his chance on the field

by Ent Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:30 pm

Cardiff fans were fed up with him due to lack of application.

Don't see much of a future for him at united.

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:31 pm

ask any palace fan!

do you think i am making it up?

by **Hero** Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:33 pm

I'd give him a chance again, not many do but I saw how important he was in Palace's push for promotion and if harnessed I think he could become a very decent player, the talent is there, it just needs to be focused correctly.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:36 pm

Big fish in a small pond comes to mind.

by Ent Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:37 pm

mystiroakey wrote:ask any palace fan!

do you think i am making it up?

Prob just rose tinted specs for a home boy.

I don't see anything special in him and he doesn't work hard so...

Anyway we've had this discussion so many times, we could use a top quality player who can score and create out wide and it would be a lot more convenient and cheaper if that was zaha but I don't think it will be - shame.

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:43 pm

i want him back- so i am happy to take him back- but you seem to think you know the player better than palace fans. You dont! its that simple- so stop judging his application..

Pullis wants him as much as anyone else from the club- Do you think Pulis is any less demanding than any top manager at a top club.

Answer = NO

by Ent Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:44 pm

2/3 clubs he's played for doubt his attitude and work ethic. Fans of his home town club who he helped get promoted don't.

Hmmm, tricky one.

I guess we will see this season.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:45 pm

Or stop judging him on something you saw a year ago?

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:46 pm

Ent wrote:2/3 clubs he's played for doubt his attitude and work ethic. Fans of his home town club who he helped get promoted don't.

Hmmm, tricky one.

I guess we will see this season.

how long did he play at palace?

Who bought him?

ask the questions that matter

by Ent Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:48 pm

Not every player we buy turns out to be good lol

Djemba djemba, bellion, bebe etc

We will see this season anyway.

by Hammersmith harrier Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:50 pm

You knew the player at Palace in the championship, we've seen the player who can't hack it at United. Big difference between the two clubs Mysti.

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:53 pm

thats the problem- we may not see anything..

we saw nothing last season because he was messed about(yes it might have been half his fault or more)- but the same thing could happen.

he could be on the bench for the first 15 games and only play 20 mins - then get loaned to the worst team in the division again that's owned by an insane owner managed by the least experienced manager in the league!!

I just hope he gives him a go or sells him- that's all. Same thing goes for every single English player in the league btw.

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:54 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You knew the player at Palace in the championship, we've seen the player who can't hack it at United. Big difference between the two clubs Mysti.

you haven't seen anything. nonsense comment- he hasnt played for you.

by mystiroakey Mon 28 Jul 2014, 11:59 pm

"‘The good thing is, and he probably doesn’t know, that my apartment overlooks the training ground, and at five or six o’clock he is there training, finishing. He is just a boy who wants to play football and prove himself. He has talent and he will become a good player. He will have a very good career wherever he plays."

ole gunner on Zaha

by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jul 2014, 12:00 am

"‘I definitely feel like this is a clean slate,’ he said last week. ‘All I’m trying to do is impress the new manager and get in to his squad. All i can do is give my all. There’s a new manager and I want to make sure that I show him what I can do.’
However, with United now two games in to their pre-season tour, Zaha is the only player not to feature at all. Van Gaal has dismissed any claims that the winger isn’t proving his worth in training but it seems odd that even all three goalkeepers would get a go in the team whilst Zaha hasn’t had a single minute.
‘Maybe he will play centre-forward next,’ Van Gaal said, giving the youngster some hope. ‘He has worked well in training. There are no problems.’"

LVG

http://metro.co.uk/2014/07/28/does-wilfried-zaha-have-a-future-at-manchester-united-under-louis-van-gaal-4812235/

by Hammersmith harrier Tue 29 Jul 2014, 12:02 am

I've seen enough of him to know he's not good enough, stop being such a berk that thinks only the opinion of Palace fans matter because your opinions unfortunately no longer mattet.

by Ent Tue 29 Jul 2014, 12:03 am

mystiroakey wrote:thats the problem- we may not see anything..

we saw nothing last season because he was messed about(yes it might have been half his fault or more)- but the same thing could happen.

he could be on the bench for the first 15 games and only play 20 mins - then get loaned to the worst team in the division again that's owned by an insane owner managed by the least experienced manager in the league!!

I just hope he gives him a go or sells him- that's all. Same thing goes for every single English player in the league btw.

We will see, van gaal is clapping cleverly on the back in press conferences and making him captain for tour games.

Zaha will get his opportunity and if he doesn't get on the pitch it's because he's made a mess of it again.

by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jul 2014, 12:15 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I've seen enough of him to know he's not good enough, stop being such a berk that thinks only the opinion of Palace fans matter because your opinions unfortunately no longer mattet.

At this moment in time only LVG's opinion matters. and he hasnt a bad word to say about him. ok he hasnt played him yet- but he has clearly promised to and says he is working hard.

by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jul 2014, 12:16 am

"We will see, van gaal is clapping cleverly on the back in press conferences and making him captain for tour games."

are you serious?

by Ent Tue 29 Jul 2014, 6:56 am

mystiroakey wrote:"We will see, van gaal is clapping cleverly on the back in press conferences and making him captain for tour games."

are you serious?

Everyone is getting a chance.

by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jul 2014, 7:10 am

right so everyone is getting a chance at being captain- or cleverly is bieng made captain in most games?

which one is it?

by Ent Tue 29 Jul 2014, 7:17 am

mystiroakey wrote:right so everyone is getting a chance at being captain- or cleverly is bieng made captain in most games?

which one is it?

Who said anything like that?

Even the much maligned players are getting the back of the manager and getting a chance to impress.

Zaha will be afforded his chance, so we will see this season wether he is up to it or not.

by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jul 2014, 7:47 am

you did?

you said cleverly is getting made captain for tour games!

Now you are going completely back on something you can see just above on this thread!

So I take it clevely is not being made a captain for tour games but he may have had 1 half or something similar!

by Hammersmith harrier Tue 29 Jul 2014, 8:21 am

He was the captain for the Roma game, LVG isn't going to publicly say a bad word against anyone Mysti, actions speak louder than words.

by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jul 2014, 9:51 am

How to you know what LVG will or wont do?

by Hammersmith harrier Tue 29 Jul 2014, 9:55 am

You have real issues when it comes to Zaha, he just isn't good enough for us and LVG has only had positives to say about anybody in the media.

by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jul 2014, 9:57 am

No i dont. You know nothing about me or Zaha or LVG or managers in general as many managers slag there own players off.

by Hammersmith harrier Tue 29 Jul 2014, 10:04 am

I forgot that Palace fans know better than anyone, LVG has been very vocal about giving everyone a chance yet one player hasn't been given one.

by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jul 2014, 10:04 am

Google Rivaldo and bayern munich fall outs including Vaan gaal to educate yourself on your new manager- next might be too watch some football.

By the way I think this is exactly the mentality your club needs., But you obviously have no idea what he is like as a manager by coming up with such oddities.

by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jul 2014, 10:06 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I forgot that Palace fans know better than anyone, LVG has been very vocal about giving everyone a chance yet one player hasn't been given one.

Dont speak about me- You know nothing about me. just end the personal nonsense and eductate yourself on football , your players and your manager.oh and maybe a brushing up on maths may help as man u have only played twice but have 3-4 games left

by Hammersmith harrier Tue 29 Jul 2014, 10:08 am

I know exactly what he's like as a manager, what you're not taking into account is that he's been in the job for barely two weeks so will not instantly come out with negative comments, no manager would.

Zaha has done nothing over the past year and what he did in the championship no longer matters.

by **Hero** Tue 29 Jul 2014, 10:20 am

I think this conversation between you both is going nowhere so I'd advise to both move on

by Guest Tue 29 Jul 2014, 12:13 pm

Van Gaal - 'Tougher to succeed Moyes than Ferguson at Man Utd'. do one LVG.

He's annoying me, thinks he's gonna be some kind of new mourinho in this league with the mindgames & interviews, i can just see it.

by Lowlandbrit Tue 29 Jul 2014, 12:24 pm

John wrote:thinks he's gonna be some kind of new mourinho in this league with the mindgames & interviews

Where do you think Mourinho developed his people skills? He worked under van Gaal at Barcelona.

by Guest Tue 29 Jul 2014, 12:31 pm

Yeah, I know he did, but we've seen it with Mourinho already, just doesn't really have the effect now for me. I'm sure LVG will do a good job, easy fixtures to begin with & some nice signings + a motivated, hungry squad now after not winning anything last year. I think a top 4 will be achieved quite easily actually.

by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jul 2014, 12:52 pm

Man Untied boss said Luke Shaw is unfit, as the £27million left-back trained on his own in Washington
Van Gaal said: 'He’s not very fit and can’t perform how I want'
Dutchman says Wilfried Zaha will play second-half of United's International Champions Cup game against Inter Milan on Tuesday night

It seems like LVG doesn't see Zaha as a wing back - and will only play him as a striker within his system and vision for the club - but he has already publicly explained his issues with Luke Shaw......

by Ent Tue 29 Jul 2014, 1:17 pm

mystiroakey wrote:you did?

you said cleverly is getting made captain for tour games!

Now you are going completely back on something you can see just above on this thread!

So I take it clevely is not being made a captain for tour games but he may have had 1 half or something similar!

It's an example of lvg giving everyone a chance - it's not a difficult concept.

Shaw not fit enough, very interesting.

Another tour game tonight, will be interesting to see the shape of the team.

by compelling and rich Tue 29 Jul 2014, 1:20 pm

what time is kick off tonight?

by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jul 2014, 1:25 pm

He only sees Zaha as a striker within the system he wants to play(352- using wing backs- and Shaw would be a wing back , so i assume Shaw will need even more fitness than just as a left back as its a box to box role)

He may be bang on next season- But with the striker's Man U have , if he really truly only sees Zaha as a striker I am really not sure how many games this kid is going to get next year even if he does become the fittest and best brown noser in the club!!

by Ent Tue 29 Jul 2014, 1:29 pm

compelling and rich wrote:what time is kick off tonight?

906 bst I think.

by mystiroakey Tue 29 Jul 2014, 1:30 pm

906??

by **Hero** Tue 29 Jul 2014, 1:33 pm

6 minutes for Shaw to catch his breath after running on the pitch?

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