The Ring P4P Ratings 21/04/14

1 - Floyd Mayweather jr
2 - Andre Ward
3 - Wladimir Klitschko
4 - Manny Pacquiao
5 - Tim Bradley
6 - Juan Manuel Marquez
7 - Sergio Martinez
8 - Guillermo Rigondeaux
9 - Canelo Alvarez
10 - Carl Froch



Personally my view is Manny should be No.2.

Wlad is winning but his opposition is the poorest of any fighter on the list.

Wlad at 3 and Froch at 10 immediately do not sit comfortably with me.

Truss has Maidana at number 2

The Minute Maid hasn't broken the top ten yet?

is Andre ward still alive??

Wlad too high
Alvarez too high
Froch far too high

Taken too seriously

I'm comfortable with Ward, the way he dominates opponents, no one has come close to solving Ward yet.


A win for Froch next time out would help him retain a top ten spot I believe.


Possibly Alvarez at first glance might be a bit high at this stage, but it seems like he wants to take on the hard fights so I wouldn't complain.


Maybe Wlad a couple of places too high. He's winning comprehensively but you have to look at his level of opposition.

I guess the Povetkin win throws Wlad up there. His most competitive challenges in recent years have been him and Haye and Wlad has dominated both.

Still don't agree though.

I think Maidana should be number 2.......Manny should be number 3............I like Wlad at 4........He's done what he has had to..

Bradley should be at 8/9 or something...........

I think a heavyweight in the top 10 unless exceptionally skilful goes against the premise of rating p4p IMO. wlads greatest asset is his size, if he was a modest 6ft 2, he wouldn't be carrying so many belts, so p4p top 10 is illogical to me.

I don't see it that literally. I think it's more of a comparison of how good you are in your particular division, applied to compare with people fighting at a different weight. I don't find it particularly relevant if you're a big or small heavyweight.

His size is an attribute though. Shouldn't p4p be evaluated on overall package and level of dominance rather than just skill?

It's not an exact science. It goes on recent performances rather than attributes, look at it more as a 'top 10 across the divisions' rather than a literal p4p.

By that criteria, there's no way I'm having Wlad as the 3rd best boxer in the world though.

I'd personally have Rigondeax top 3. I know he hasn't had many fights but he is the dominant man at the weight after the masterclass vs donaire. His talent is definitlely in the top 3 along with Ward and Mayweather.

1.Mayweather
2.Ward
3.Rigondeaux
4.Manny
5.Wlad
6.Bradley
7.Martinez
8.Marquez
9.Froch
10. GGG

After what Floyd did to Canelo don't think he deserves to still be on the list until he get's another big win.

"Pound for pound" is is gimmicky, ultimately pointless attempt to mesh together a whole load of conditions that are not conducive to being meshed together.

Agreed on Rigo, I think his division looks like it has some depth developing also with Frampton etc but Rigo undisputed no.1 at the weight and genuine world champion.

Do you really have Maidana ahead of world champions such as Ward/Rigo/Martinez Truss or are you just pulling our legs? Apologies if I'm being dense here, can't read tone of voice on the internet

Rigo has to be in this list.

I don't like this list at all. Anybody with eyes can see Rigo is at least top 3. The man can't be touched. Wlad fights utter bums and is being rewarded because he has been a champ for a long time. Pac is not top 4 anymore, either. This list is kind of sad. Froch at ten? That can't say much about the p4p talent in the world, and I am a Froch fanboy

Herman Jaggery wrote:Rigo has to be in this list.

For ability i have him 2nd behind Floyd.

Seanusarrilius wrote:I don't like this list at all. Anybody with eyes can see Rigo is at least top 3. The man can't be touched. Wlad fights utter bums and is being rewarded because he has been a champ for a long time. Pac is not top 4 anymore, either. This list is kind of sad. Froch at ten? That can't say much about the p4p talent in the world, and I am a Froch fanboy

He has to earn his place........Might as well have had Honey top 3 for beating Curry........

I didn't think Tyson or Nunn could be touched back in the 90s............

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:I don't like this list at all. Anybody with eyes can see Rigo is at least top 3. The man can't be touched. Wlad fights utter bums and is being rewarded because he has been a champ for a long time. Pac is not top 4 anymore, either. This list is kind of sad. Froch at ten? That can't say much about the p4p talent in the world, and I am a Froch fanboy

He has to earn his place........Might as well have had Honey top 3 for beating Curry........

I didn't think Tyson or Nunn could be touched back in the 90s............

Rigo has earned it, IMO. Already beat the man in Donaire. Has a couple of other decent wins, too. Talent is there for all to see. Have him at 3.

Rigo and Manny higher. Wlad lower.

He hasn't earned it..........Douglas wasn't in the p4p top 12........

Tyson was a better win than Donaire.......

He has one top fighter on his list and has no longevity.......

One win over Donaire on a brilliant run when most were picking him to get obliterated is better than all of Wlad's combined in my opinion. It's all............subjective

Wlad has beaten povetkin this year who was highly ranked.

John Bloody Wayne wrote:One win over Donaire on a brilliant run when most were picking him to get obliterated is better than all of Wlad's combined in my opinion. It's all............subjective

yup

Yep, Rigo at three for me also.

Wlad doesn't throw body punches, I can't rank him higher than 8 on that basis alone.

A fighter of Povetkins ability/athleticism could only be highly rated at heavy or cruiser.

Manny is far too high. Have him down around 8 now. No longer a top 5 fighter.

Andre Ward is a ghost of boxing so i have him outside the top ten. Hardly seen him since the Froch fight. Isn't he a commentator now?

Alvarez is taking on some good challenging tough fights so props for that.

JMM and Tim both level.....Wlad in top 3.

Rigo is class and should be rated a hell of a lot higher.

How did Mayweather retain top spot with a win over Guerrero if Manny getting a win over Bradley on the best run of his life doesn't breach the top 8?

Because Mayweather is a God of boxing.

In fairness, it's not easy to compile a pound for pound list right now. There's only one thing that everyone is going to agree on, and that's that Mayweather is still the clear number one.

Outside of that, there ain't much that's clear cut.

Marquez puts Pacquiao to sleep. Pacquiao beats Bradley convincingly. Bradley outboxes Marquez without controversy, something Pacquiao's never done. Pacquiao's obviously got the far superior career amongst that trio, but how far back can you go in his history before his past results become irrelevant in a 2014 pound for pound discussion?

Ward? Looks a million dollars when he fights, as good a skill set as anyone out there has aside from a very, very select few, but inactive and currently seeing a couple of potentially interesting fights pass him by.

Rigondeaux? Even more skilled than Ward possibly, but only has one really top name on his ledger and struggling to tempt his divisional rivals to get it one with him. Wlad is dominating but against a shallow talent pool and Martinez didn't look good last time out and has the problem of his ageing body betraying him. Donaire almost came a'cropper against an over the hill Darchinyan, too.

In terms of fringe names, Danny Garcia just had a 'mare against Herrera, Mikey Garcia has looked good but not against guys who'd propel him in to a top ten and guys like Alvarez, Froch and Matthysse have all been beaten by the kingpin of their divisions which plays on the mind when trying to give any of them a top ten berth.

Hopefully Ioka and Gonzalez can get it on at Flyweight this year. Whoever wins that should be a lock for the top ten.

A lot has changed in the past four years but the names are still the same by and large which does make it very tricky, none of the young guns have really put their stamp on it.

Mares looked good for a top ten spot until the Gonzalez fight, Moreno looks good now and then but was dominated by the aformentioned Mares. Bradley and flatter to deceive, brilliant one fight then fairly poor in their next one, Kovalev and Golovkin are largely untested.

In 2010 I could be confident making a top ten list but now beyond my top four of Mayweather,  Ward, Pacquiao and Rigondeaux there's little to separate five all the way down to fifteen.

I think Manny beating Bradley exercised a few demons and reestablished him as the 2nd best welter weight on the planet which is the most talent rich division in boxing. That has to put him ahead of Wlad for me. Pacquiao has talent only found a few times in a generation Wlad just doesn't match up to that.

Ward and Manny is a harder call but Pacquiao is coming off a tremendous win that trumps anything Ward has ever done.

Is there a case for Golovkin cracking the top ten? I know he hasn't fought too many top quality fighters but he seems untouchable and it is clear that he is being avoided intentionally.
Also Froch at ten is ridiculous.

No case for GGG yet............

Stevenson comes before him at the moment but things change........

Bradley 5 is a joke...........Need to be punished for losing..

Can anyone explain how Canelo, JMM and Bradley seem to get away with losing.....and Nonito has dropped off completely......despite being a dominant multi weight champ

Doesn't seem right.

Just noticed that on the same card in China, Vic Dar is fighting for the regular WBA world featherweight title and Donaire is fighting for the WBA super world featherweight title. Why do I get the feeling Arum is setting them up for a pointless third fight.