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Post by Engine#4 Wed 30 Apr 2014, 9:14 pm

New Top 14 rules including;

1. LBP only awarded if the losing team is within 5 points of the victors.

2. 3 yellow cards = an automatic 1 game suspension.

3.  Financial rewards for developing homegrown players.

4.  Minimum of 12 JIFF players in the squad (14 by 2016/2017).  A JIFF player is one who has been licensed with the FFR for at least 3 years before the age of 21.  Opens up the possibility of earlier poaching of talented youngsters.

Full article courtesy of thescore.ie

http://www.thescore.ie/france-rule-changes-top-14-pro-d2-1441251-Apr2014/

THE LIGUE NATIONALE De Rugby [LNR] has announced a raft of rule changes that will be brought into action in the Top 14 and Pro D2 from next season with the release of their ‘New Deal’.

Developing the academies, improving the attractiveness of the games, consolidating the clubs’ already strong financial positions and improving stadia are the motivating reasons behind these alterations.

Losing bonus points will now only be awarded if the defeated team finishes within five or less points of the winners, rather than the current seven or less. Furthermore, the one-minute time allowance for place-kicks will be imposed far more strictly by referees.

In order to improve the league’s infamously poor discipline, any player who accumulates three yellow cards in the regular season will serve an automatic one-match ban.

The LNR has indicated that clubs who bring home-grown players through to senior team level will now be financially rewarded throughout that players’ career, with the fees depending on the individual’s salary.

More imposingly, French clubs will be required to include 12 JIFF/academy players in their match day squads from next season onwards, rising to 14 by the 2016/17 campaign. Failing to do so would mean clubs suffering a reduction in their share of TV rights money.

Joueurs issus des filières de formation [JIFF] are players who have spent at least three years licensed to the Fédération Française de Rugby [French Rugby Union] before reaching the age of 21, meaning that clubs may actually turn to bringing in foreign players at younger ages.

In a move that may be of interest to leagues elsewhere in the world, the LNR will relax the rules around loan moves involving promising young players. The idea is to promote more short-term transfers in the hope of increasing the national team’s player pool.

Changes to the Salary Cap rulings appear to lend the Top 14 clubs increased spending power, particularly given that any club that has a player named in the 30-man France squad will be allowed an additional €100,000 on their cap.

That figure is intended to compensate for the time the player spends away from his club, and means that a side with five international players would operate with a cap of €10.5 million rather than the normal €10 million limit.

Furthermore, the salaries of players on espoirs contracts [academy/development deals] will not be included in final salary cap figures, although a collective limit of €650,000 per club applies in this regard.

Interestingly, the LNR has outlined that it will ”punish behaviour which heavily damages the image of the league,” although there are no further specifics included in their press release this afternoon.

It is believed that the constant sniping of Toulon president Mourad Boudjellal may be the inspiration behind this increased focus on protecting perceptions of the Top 14 and Pro D2.


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Post by quinsforever Wed 30 Apr 2014, 9:23 pm

Good rules. Toulouse will love them, Toulon hate them.

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Post by whocares Wed 30 Apr 2014, 9:42 pm

Was hopefull when I start reading about this "new deal" but then realised the changes are just cosmetic.
One of the goal was to promote more attacking rugby hence making it more difficult to get LBPs. Fine but should have scratched all together and align the TBP with the way its done elsewhere so that even a losing team could get it.

The JIFF rule is biaised : it works on average of matchday squads JIFF players...ie teams will be tempted to send their young homegrown players in away games and keep the foreigners for the home games. Also I dont think they scratched that stupid loophole allowing teams to replace JIFF players who get injured by foreigners without touching the quota nor the salary cap!!


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Post by Portnoy's Complaint Thu 01 May 2014, 8:57 am

I looks to me as though it once again not so much about the rules and more widely the laws of the game, but about the application of the letter of the rules/laws.

For instance, in the case of the so-called 'new scrum interpretations' has largely failed because of the spineless attitudes of referees, players and coaches to apply the clear directives properly.

Seeing as I have no real opinion on how the French run their own internal affairs in rugby, I will be interested to see how the typically gallic laissez-faire attitude towards internal regulation and international concordats and directives plays out long-term in respect of their own internal rugby viability.

There's loads to be recommended from this release. The LBP issue, the Jiff arrangements and the cap.

But its difficult to un-scramble a frog once it's been through the blender.


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Post by whocares Thu 01 May 2014, 9:41 am

The scrum is often pointed out here for being a time wasting exercise and penalty machine. the referees will be therefore "encouraged" to let the game flow more and penalise less... ultimately it would be a progress for the game and the viewer but the T14 has some of the worst and more inconsistent refs around so not sure how that would pan out...

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Post by fa0019 Thu 01 May 2014, 9:44 am

whats worrying about that?... well unless you are not French or a foreigner looking for a cushy contract.

Decent rules which should improve the French national team. They promote French based players, compensate clubs for having players in the national team and looks to restrict too many foreigners.

It will probably help rugby in all regions bar say the PIs. In SA for instance it will mean that more players will stay at home and keep competition higher... if they can't get a contract in France where else are they going to go? Japan maybe.

PIs may suffer though. If all countries make an effort to have less foreigners on their books it will be more difficult for PI players to get contracts and exposure to top level rugby. A lot of PI players are NZ based or born so they grow up in that system so it may not be too bad but still, could hurt them.

Otherwise sensible recommendations.

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Post by MunsterMac Thu 01 May 2014, 9:49 am

I've always liked the French system whereby you only get a win bonus point if you are 4 trys clear of your opponent's try count.

That should be introduced everywhere.

Certainly would have made Glasgow concentrate a bit more towards the end against Edinburgh last weekend.

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Post by XR Thu 01 May 2014, 9:56 am

MunsterMac wrote:I've always liked the French system whereby you only get a win bonus point if you are 4 trys clear of your opponent's try count.

That should be introduced everywhere.

I hadn't realised that this is how it is in France, that does seem a clever rule.

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Post by whocares Thu 01 May 2014, 9:59 am

FA, the rules are biaised and if anything clubs can always recruit young Fidjians and South Africans which later will be part of their JIFF quota.

MM, I think the TBP french system is negative : the only thing that the losing team could do by scoring tries is prevent the winning team to get a bonus point as opposed to get a bonus point themselves...not the right incentive in my opinion...

at least there is an acklowlegdement that the T14 entertainment value needs to be improved

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Post by Geordie Thu 01 May 2014, 10:13 am

Looks like the French rugby union have had enough and spotted the issues.

Introducing financial incentives for producing young french man as the RFU did for producing young Englishmen...

Great idea.

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Post by MunsterMac Thu 01 May 2014, 10:20 am

the only thing that the losing team could do by scoring tries is prevent the winning team to get a bonus point as opposed to get a bonus point themselves

Except of course get a TBP themselves....

And it avoids a situation where the team that has scored 4 tries (which usually is the winning team) can sit back and coast to the final whistle.

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Post by whocares Thu 01 May 2014, 10:44 am

MunsterMac wrote:
the only thing that the losing team could do by scoring tries is prevent the winning team to get a bonus point as opposed to get a bonus point themselves

Except of course get a TBP themselves....

And it avoids a situation where the team that has scored 4 tries (which usually is the winning team) can sit back and coast to the final whistle.

so basically outscore by 4 tries the other team, that would basically mean winning the game anyway. not an easy target if you are trailing by a couple of tries !
I prefer games like Blues-Exeter in the HC where both teams get a TBP.

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Post by George Carlin Thu 01 May 2014, 10:48 am

Nobody else think that the JIFF requirements are incredibly onerous?
French clubs will be required to include 12 JIFF/academy players in their match day squads from next season onwards, rising to 14 by the 2016/17 campaign. Failing to do so would mean clubs suffering a reduction in their share of TV rights money.

Joueurs issus des filières de formation [JIFF] are players who have spent at least three years licensed to the Fédération Française de Rugby [French Rugby Union] before reaching the age of 21, meaning that clubs may actually turn to bringing in foreign players at younger ages.

How big are match day squads, then? Surely it can't mean the 23? And you need 12 (that's twelve) kids who have been tied to the FFR since the age of 18 and who train with the main team? Maybe the French academy systems makes this straightforward but it seems you need to make a lot of crucial decisions about which young players to invest in pretty early on?
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Post by whocares Thu 01 May 2014, 10:56 am

yes match day squad are the 23 men one...
keep in mind it has to be 12 on average over the season so in some games it will be much more than others. a bit like toulon who has wilco for the HC and michalak for the T14...
I dont think it is very difficult to achieve for most clubs. teams like Montpelier who have loads of foreigners managed to have 11 french players in their starting XV (with 5 on the bench I think) against leicester in the HC (they were already out though!).

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Post by MunsterMac Thu 01 May 2014, 10:59 am

Whocares.

Sorry my mind wasn't fully tuned in when I wrote that...early morning and all.

And I was also incorrect by saying to get a TBP a team have to score 4 tries more.

It's actually 3.

However I do think it's a good system as I said as it has the possibility of making teams play for the full 80mins.

Actually if you were to introduce a TBP for any losing team scoring 4 tries it would be even better.

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Post by George Carlin Thu 01 May 2014, 11:09 am

whocares wrote:yes match day squad are the 23 men one...
keep in mind it has to be 12 on average over the season so in some games it will be much more than others. a bit like toulon who has wilco for the HC and michalak for the T14...
I dont think it is very difficult to achieve for most clubs. teams like Montpelier who have loads of foreigners managed to have 11 french players in their starting XV (with 5 on the bench I think) against leicester in the HC (they were already out though!).
Ah. I read it as '12 per game' on average, which surely borderlines on child neglect...
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Post by quinsforever Thu 01 May 2014, 11:24 am

whocares wrote:yes match day squad are the 23 men one...
keep in mind it has to be 12 on average over the season so in some games it will be much more than others. a bit like toulon who has wilco for the HC and michalak for the T14...
I dont think it is very difficult to achieve for most clubs. teams like Montpelier who have loads of foreigners managed to have 11 french players in their starting XV (with 5 on the bench I think) against leicester in the HC (they were already out though!).
also for Toulon, both the Armitages count as JIFF players given the time they spent playing as juniors in France. these rules will certainly increase the market value of foreign players who can also tick the JIFF box.

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