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Post by Trebs Thu May 01, 2014 10:10 am

It's the European Parliament Elections on May 22nd, with UKIP hoping to gain the most seats after second place last time out, with Labour and Liberal Democrats looking to hold onto their seats.

But, does anyone care? Only one in three people voted in the last elections, but there seems to be more of a media interest, especially with the TV debates between Nigel Farage and Nick Clegg, which if you haven't seen are worth a watch. Could it be argued that by Labour and Conservatives not showing to the debates, that UKIP and LibDem will gain?

It seems that this year, there will be a higher turnout but will it be a significant amount? UKIP are certainly a more real opposition and will surely gain seats, with the opinion polls showing UKIP are likely to win.

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Post by Duty281 Thu May 01, 2014 10:18 am

*Gulp*

Political discussion..eeek!

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu May 01, 2014 10:19 am

The debates are long forgotten and not at all important looking at the viewing figures.............UKIP are the current protest party......Lib Dems gave up that position when they went all in......

Cameron and Miliband did right not showing up to the debates as it makes Farage look important being there !!.......If they'd shown up there would be greater momentum to have Farage at the ones in 2015.......

Just an election for Euro-phobes and people who want to kick the nuts of the Establishment....

UKIP's vote will disappear come 2015.........Only leader who has to worry is Clegg......He comes fifth and there may be a leadership challenge.......Some Liberal MPs in marginals are getting restless..

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Post by Derbymanc Thu May 01, 2014 11:00 am

Run away duty, don't look back and keep going before you get embroiled in the storm. ;-)


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Post by Duty281 Thu May 01, 2014 11:08 am

I'm tempted to say my opinion, but I'll be banned for it!

Wait...is that an opinion?

Nooooo don't ban me! I'm sorry, I'm sorry!

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Post by kingraf Thu May 01, 2014 11:16 am

Slowly but surely.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu May 01, 2014 11:23 am

Duty281 wrote:I'm tempted to say my opinion, but I'll be banned for it!

Wait...is that an opinion?

Nooooo don't ban me! I'm sorry, I'm sorry!

We'd always admire your sacrifice and it would mean more time in the library..

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Post by Volcanicash Thu May 01, 2014 9:40 pm

Why is politics not open for discussion on this forum?  Fair enough this is more of a sporting forum but it does say in its headline "debate the big sporting AND non sporting issues here".

I'm not a massive contributor to this forum and do come here mainly for the sporting issues but other discussions which fellow contributors have opened and posted on like the interesting discussion on the death penalty are interesting to get involved in, and although I don't have a massive interest in politics, I do think certain parts of it can be interesting and think its a little strange it can't be discussed here, so long as its all civil.

The euro elections I've always found a little strange as its also a vote for local elections. Yet didn't we have them last year (the local)? Or is this slightly different?

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Post by Duty281 Thu May 01, 2014 10:05 pm

Volcanicash wrote:Why is politics not open for discussion on this forum?  Fair enough this is more of a sporting forum but it does say in its headline "debate the big sporting AND non sporting issues here".

I'm not a massive contributor to this forum and do come here mainly for the sporting issues but other discussions which fellow contributors have opened and posted on like the interesting discussion on the death penalty are interesting to get involved in, and although I don't have a massive interest in politics, I do think certain parts of it can be interesting and think its a little strange it can't be discussed here, so long as its all civil.

The euro elections I've always found a little strange as its also a vote for local elections.  Yet didn't we have them last year (the local)?  Or is this slightly different?

Used to be allowed, now it's not. Something about libellious statements, and it being too difficult for the moderators to control.

Of course, what constitutes a "political thread" may be up for discussion; a six page thread on the death penalty (surely political?) is still going strong.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Thu May 01, 2014 10:59 pm

Volcanicash wrote:Why is politics not open for discussion on this forum?  Fair enough this is more of a sporting forum but it does say in its headline "debate the big sporting AND non sporting issues here".

I'm not a massive contributor to this forum and do come here mainly for the sporting issues but other discussions which fellow contributors have opened and posted on like the interesting discussion on the death penalty are interesting to get involved in, and although I don't have a massive interest in politics, I do think certain parts of it can be interesting and think its a little strange it can't be discussed here, so long as its all civil.

The euro elections I've always found a little strange as its also a vote for local elections.  Yet didn't we have them last year (the local)?  Or is this slightly different?

political debates on this forum in the past turned into slanging matches and petty bickering and allegations of racism etc. It is a shame because political threads can be very interesting and the death penalty thread has been very interesting and in the whole very mature.

A couple of posters who were instrumental ion threads turning into petty bickering have been banned so maybe things will be different now.

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Post by Rowley Fri May 02, 2014 2:31 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
A couple of posters who were instrumental ion threads turning into petty bickering have been banned so maybe things will be different now.

They might, in a similar vein Villa might win the league next season. Would not be overly optimistic about either though if I was you.

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Post by VDT Fri May 02, 2014 3:03 pm

The Pirate Party are standing in the North West - Thats my VOTE sorted!
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri May 02, 2014 3:28 pm

Good to have political discussion back...

Shouldn't let some idiots ruin it for the rest..

Good stuff

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Post by kingraf Fri May 02, 2014 8:44 pm

treble, the death penalty thread is a red herring. It created the illusion that sensitive discussions can occur over here without mud slinging. Unfortunately, that is incorrect. Nonetheless, champagne may be right, but I doubt it
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Post by Dave. Fri May 02, 2014 10:33 pm

Personally I find the D'hondt you use in GB a bit silly. You're picking a closed list. Much prefer STV that we use here in NI.

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Post by Diggers Sat May 03, 2014 8:54 am

People should have to vote, like in Australia. If you don't use it lose it.

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Post by Duty281 Sat May 03, 2014 9:11 am

Tee-hee, Nick Griffin's twitter account has been hacked! laughing

Oh what a shame. And his mobile number has been leaked.

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Post by Derbymanc Sat May 03, 2014 9:43 am

I've never been quite sure what the MEP's do so don't take much interest. In anyone can enlighten me in a short simple way it would be much appreciated.

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Post by Duty281 Sat May 03, 2014 10:00 am

They sit in the European Parliament where there are about 700 other MEPs from all across the twenty-seven member states of the European Union.

I think the United Kingdom (and Gibraltar) has around 70 of those MEPs.

They then fulfill the similar role of what MPs would do in the House of Commons, and make various speeches, vote on legislation and claim some expenses.

In reality, the European Parliament doesn't have that much power within the European Union; the greatest power lies with the undemocratic European Commission, and there are so many other bodies within the EU as well (e.g. the Council of Ministers, the European Council, the Council of the Europe).

The whole thing is a total shambles and a bloody waste of space.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sat May 03, 2014 10:27 am

We've only ever had the Conservatives canvassing in all the time we've lived in our area....Labour must think it's a waste of time...

Usually some slick dick with a smug grin..Generally try to keep him talking for a while before springing the news I'm voting Labour..

Know a couple of former Tories on the estate who are now UKIP so expect them to finish top come May 22..

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Post by Derbymanc Sat May 03, 2014 10:59 am

I don't think i've ever seen anyone canvass down our way (North Manc) although would be surprised if half of our area cared about that.

It does sound like another way to syphon money out of the system though. Would be interested to know what they'd done for us as a country? (not having a dig by the way am genuinelly interested as i don't like blindly moaning about stuff ha ha)

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Post by Steffan Sat May 03, 2014 9:26 pm

I will be voting Plaid Cymru as always. Think now Leanne Wood is in charge and with the rise of the SNP they should do enough to possibly finish second. No chance of shifting Labour in south Wales though. Sadly we seem to be a staunch area for that useless bunch. UKIP wont get a sniff in Wales

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Post by Duty281 Sat May 03, 2014 9:40 pm

Hmmm...think I'll be voting UKIP, despite some reservations - there's not a great abundance of choice, in truth.

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Post by Trebs Sun May 04, 2014 6:59 pm

I am pro-EU, and am therefore voting Liberal Democrat. I want to support Labour, but I don't know what their policy on Europe is, nobody does. And that includes Ed Miliband. The Conservatives and UKIP are anti-Europe and I don't agree with that, so it's a simple decision for me.

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Post by Duty281 Sun May 04, 2014 7:44 pm

onlytreblewinners wrote:I am pro-EU, and am therefore voting Liberal Democrat. I want to support Labour, but I don't know what their policy on Europe is, nobody does. And that includes Ed Miliband. The Conservatives and UKIP are anti-Europe and I don't agree with that, so it's a simple decision for me.

Anti-EU.

The EU is not Europe and never will be.

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Post by Trebs Sun May 04, 2014 11:19 pm

Sorry, my bad OK

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Post by skyeman Mon May 05, 2014 12:28 pm

Constant lies from ConLibLab is the problem.

One way to get rid of UKIP is for an in/out referendum to be given. What is so difficult, scared of the result?

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Post by Duty281 Sun May 11, 2014 2:21 pm

Dear me, Labour are pathetic.

A party election broadcast which is just a cheap shot at the Tories, and not a nice one either, while Douglas Alexander got torn apart on Sunday Politics today after trying to defend, in vain, some useless election posters.

I think we all know who the real nasty party are.

Come on Scotland..get independence and England may never be governed by the Labour Party again. It's a nice dream.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun May 11, 2014 7:47 pm

You can't get a job.......are a homosexual......... voting UKIP.......and think Labour is the nasty party !!

UKIP is the most homophobic party there is and they sure as heck don't care about jobless types...

You make me laugh Duty..........You really do...


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Post by Duty281 Sun May 11, 2014 8:12 pm

I'm employed now, Truss, ta for the concern.

And I'm voting UKIP with two or three concerns.

The Labour Party? Well..if you hate Britain, make sure you vote for them.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun May 11, 2014 8:29 pm

They may hate Britain but they love more of it's citizens than the other parties Mate..

Bedroom Tax, Stripping people with disabilities of their benefits, Waiting lists up, Food bank use on the rise......

Can't vote for a Government that targets the weakest in Society......Though I'd vote Conservative/UKIP before I voted Lib Dem..

At least they stand for something..

I'd rather hate Britain but love it's people regardless of what they are worth....

Congrats on the job Mate.........Hope you are lucky in the library too !! thumbsup


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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sun May 11, 2014 8:39 pm

Duty281 wrote:I'm employed now, Truss, ta for the concern.

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How much does McDonalds pay now?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun May 11, 2014 8:48 pm

Nothing wrong with working at McDonald's, CS........

If everybody worked in white collar jobs the Country would stand still...

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sun May 11, 2014 8:57 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Nothing wrong with working at McDonald's, CS........

If everybody worked in white collar jobs the Country would stand still...

never said there was anything wrong with it, I just presume that is the kind of job duty has considering he is 18 with hardly any qualifications or experience.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun May 11, 2014 9:01 pm

Prefer Burger king myself......More bang for the buck..

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sun May 11, 2014 9:15 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Prefer Burger king myself......More bang for the buck..

yeh I went to mcdonalds today for the first time in like a year and the big mac was tiny compaored to what it used to be.

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Post by Duty281 Sun May 11, 2014 9:18 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Nothing wrong with working at McDonald's, CS........

If everybody worked in white collar jobs the Country would stand still...

never said there was anything wrong with it, I just presume that is the kind of job duty has considering he is 18 with hardly any qualifications or experience.

Actually a Credit Union, and that took a lot of effort because they thought I was a tad overqualifed.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sun May 11, 2014 9:30 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Nothing wrong with working at McDonald's, CS........

If everybody worked in white collar jobs the Country would stand still...

never said there was anything wrong with it, I just presume that is the kind of job duty has considering he is 18 with hardly any qualifications or experience.

Actually a Credit Union, and that took a lot of effort because they thought I was a tad overqualifed.

Yeh I can see how an 18 year old with a few GCSE's can be overqualified....

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Post by Duty281 Sun May 11, 2014 9:35 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Nothing wrong with working at McDonald's, CS........

If everybody worked in white collar jobs the Country would stand still...

never said there was anything wrong with it, I just presume that is the kind of job duty has considering he is 18 with hardly any qualifications or experience.

Actually a Credit Union, and that took a lot of effort because they thought I was a tad overqualifed.

Yeh I can see how an 18 year old with a few GCSE's can be overqualified....

And A-Levels.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sun May 11, 2014 9:36 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Nothing wrong with working at McDonald's, CS........

If everybody worked in white collar jobs the Country would stand still...

never said there was anything wrong with it, I just presume that is the kind of job duty has considering he is 18 with hardly any qualifications or experience.

Actually a Credit Union, and that took a lot of effort because they thought I was a tad overqualifed.

Yeh I can see how an 18 year old with a few GCSE's can be overqualified....

And A-Levels.

Who's a smart boy....

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Post by Duty281 Sun May 11, 2014 9:42 pm

Indeed.

I'm trying to get into Mensa; there's no better way to show how up yourself you are than by being a member of Mensa.

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Post by skyeman Mon May 12, 2014 12:10 am

A mensa question.

What do you put in a toaster?

You would be surprised with what 8/10 answered Very Happy 

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Post by skyeman Mon May 12, 2014 12:16 am

UKIP for me now too. Fed up with the lies, fraud, self righteous, self serving, untrustworthy Lib/Lab/Con. And the treating people like sheep.

Give them a scare.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon May 12, 2014 4:32 pm

To be honest I think I'll sit this Election out and vote in the GE instead...I really would like to see a new Labour leader....With more gravitas, must admit Dave Miliband would have been better

My Wife If she votes (Didn't last time) will be voting UKIP....Like her Daddy.....

Doubt she will either...

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Post by Duty281 Mon May 12, 2014 4:55 pm

skyeman wrote:UKIP for me now too. Fed up with the lies, fraud, self righteous, self serving, untrustworthy Lib/Lab/Con. And the treating people like sheep.

Give them a scare.

Hurrah!

I rather like Farage's bunker mentality; him against all the lies in the media*, and all of the fascist left. And he tears Nick Clegg apart in his spare time.

*The Times called UKIP an anti-immigration party today - more lies. And people wonder why UKIP are so popular.


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Post by Gentleman01 Mon May 12, 2014 4:56 pm

Duty281 wrote:I'm employed now, Truss, ta for the concern.

And I'm voting UKIP with two or three concerns.

The Labour Party? Well..if you hate Britain, make sure you vote for them.

I vote Labour. I don't hate Britain.

What was that about sensible debate and no mud slinging?

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Post by Rowley Mon May 12, 2014 5:06 pm

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I vote Labour. I don't hate Britain.


So do I and neither do I. However I am still baffled about why people get so prideful and dewy eyed about something as arbitrary as the lump of turf you fell out of a woman on. As Einstein said:
"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."


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Post by Gentleman01 Mon May 12, 2014 5:15 pm

Rowley wrote:
Gentleman01 wrote:
I vote Labour. I don't hate Britain.


So do I and neither do I. However I am still baffled about why people get so prideful and dewy eyed about something as arbitrary as the lump of turf you fell out of a woman on. As Einstein said:
"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."


I couldn't agree more. When I talk about loving Britain, I am really talking about ideals which I like to think Britain represents, actively promotes, and defends. That is; equality, justice, tolerance, etc.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Mon May 12, 2014 9:30 pm

Gentleman01 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:I'm employed now, Truss, ta for the concern.

And I'm voting UKIP with two or three concerns.

The Labour Party? Well..if you hate Britain, make sure you vote for them.

I vote Labour. I don't hate Britain.

What was that about sensible debate and no mud slinging?

Yeh I agree, we need to keep this debate grown up so silly comments like duty's really need to be stopped.

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Post by Duty281 Mon May 12, 2014 9:52 pm

Gentleman01 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:I'm employed now, Truss, ta for the concern.

And I'm voting UKIP with two or three concerns.

The Labour Party? Well..if you hate Britain, make sure you vote for them.

I vote Labour. I don't hate Britain.

What was that about sensible debate and no mud slinging?

That isn't mud-slinging, my dear fellow.

If you wish to see some mud-slinging, you should probably take a look at Labour's European Party Election Broadcast.

And secondly, considering the damage that the Labour Party did to Britain during their thirteen years (is that why the number is unlucky?) in power, of which we are still recovering from (Britain was the last western country to fully recover from the recession), it is rather reasonable to assume one hating Britain would vote Labour.

You mentioned equality, justice and tolerance.

You won't get equality under Labour, you'll get positive discrimination.
You won't get justice under Labour, you shall have political correctness.
You will get tolerance under Labour, but it'll be pushed to such an extent that Britain will be a soft touch.

The Labour Party are led by Ed Miliband; according to YouGov, over 50% of the country's population think that Ed Miliband is not a suitable Prime Minister. Quite right too, for he is an incompetent leader that will ruin Britain's recovery, along with Ed Balls.

A vote for Labour is a vote for sending Britain back into the abyss.

Is their party slogan still "Britain can do better than this"?

Well Britain can do better than that lot.

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