Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[Duty281]

First topic message reminder :

Instead of a protest vote, then its better to spoil your ballot.

Ukip are dangerous because some people actually believe what they say, and they target the middle classes in areas of law multi culturalism - ( if thats a word). And as gets shown every now and then, the Councillors they put up have been shown as a bit racist. But its easy for them to make grand statements, because realistically they will not get voted in and have to back up the statements they have made.  

Have no fear, the nutters are getting kicked out at regular intervals.

And some people may believe what they say for, a lot of the time, it's common sense.

[mystiroakey]

I really wanted liverpool to win this. If arsernal only draw there next game- Everton will be back in the mix to get a top 4- therefore will be all out for a win or draw.

But the problem is Arsenal are playing Newcastle!! The worst form team in the league- they are literally shocking- I cant believe they have the double on Palace. And Arsernal also look back in tip top shape with ramsey back

[raycastleunited]

Mysti, You must be loving it at Palace right now. No expectations to beat City yesterday and a shame the winning run came to an end, but mid-table security was only a dream back in November.

I really want Liverpool to win as well. I expect some more twists to come... Everton v Man City is no easy game, but then Liverpool's trip to Selhurst can only be desribed as a potential banana skin.

[raycastleunited]

Liverpool missed your mate Henderson big time today, Diggers . . . . .

Love him or hate him, Mourinho knows what he is doing in these games. I think even with Liverpool at full strength the result would have been the same. He has made good use of his experience of frustrating Barcelona this season.

[mystiroakey]

Toure battered us- as big lads can do to our shape.. But still 2-0 isnt the worst result in the world.

I was more hopefull that we could sneak a draw to help liverpool out. We really are a class below citeh and that is clear,


What I like and am most shocked about (bar the fact we are sfae which seemed an impossibility) is this isnt the stoke pulis team. It is organisational, it is defend first, but punch, jerome, bolaise are quick and threatening counter attacking players.

When we lost at citeh 1-0 the man of the match was Hart- that has got to tell you something!!. we just went on a 5 win streak as well. A very rare feat.

Ward and dann are possibly two of the most underrated players in the league as well. Expectational seasons for them. Jed is one of the best DM's in the league as well- he is right up there on tackles won and interceptions- If only the lad could pass!!!

If Rodgers doesn't win the league. Pulis is my manager of the season. And I think even if i wasn't a palace fan I would say the same.

He has turned ok champ players into competitive PL players. It can be done! and he has proved that

[incontinentia]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27183851

Good reaction to intolerance by Dani Alves   

[GunsGerms]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27183851

Good reaction to intolerance by Dani Alves   

The banana throwing really sums up how dumb lots of football fans are. Perfect response by Alves.

[incontinentia]

Next time someone throws a potato when I'm taking a corner I'll know what to do   

[mystiroakey]

Next time someone throws a potato when I'm taking a corner I'll know what to do   

  

tell them to cook it first mate- you dont want to get ill

[mystiroakey]

Legend move by Alves though. Love it.

But lets not tarnish footy fans, just certain Spanish in this case.

[GunsGerms]

Legend move by Alves though. Love it.

But lets not tarnish footy fans, just certain Spanish in this case.

Obviously they arent all bad but lots of them do themselves no favours. Remember the Newcastle fan who headbutted a horse for example?

There is no other sport on the planet associated with such high instances of racism, violence, hooliganism and corruption. Is that statement false?

A previous captain of the English football team being one of the biggest racists around.

[mystiroakey]

GG i  cant agree- and the reason is simple- There just are way more footy fans out there(by like 100 fold) so you will here about more bad incidents due to it being such a highly reported sport and the fact that there are just more fans, therefore more sh!t apples,

other sports with bad fans would be i suppose ice hockey, all the sporting teams in philly.. erm it happens, but just not as high profile over here.

Lewis hamilton has been subjected to loads of racism in the european gp held in spain or the spainish ground prix.

Its a problem they and certain eastern european countries need to solve.

England has turned such a huge corner in regards to racism and hooliganism - i think it needs to be celebrated not still looked down upon.

You asa rugby fan may love the fact that you can go to a game and have a craic with your rivals.

Well it is becoming the case these days with many footy clubs- i had a great time in the Play off final last year with the losing watford fans after the game

[MontysMerkin]

Legend move by Alves though. Love it.

But lets not tarnish footy fans, just certain Spanish in this case.

Footy fans don't need tarnishing. 99.9% are knuckle dragging @rseholes (I'll do it as soops seems to have gone awol)

[mystiroakey]

so is that your SR impression or what you actually mean

[GunsGerms]

GG i  cant agree- and the reason is simple- There just are way more footy fans out there(by like 100 fold) so you will here about more bad incidents due to it being such a highly reported sport and the fact that there are just more fans, therefore more sh!t apples

You are absolutely right about the numbers but that doesnt mean the problems don't exist. Also it is fairly obvious that there are completely different traditions of respect if you go to other sports not withstanding the lesser numbers of spectators.

Just look at the difference in the last time England played Ireland in football in Ireland and the same fixture in rugby in the same year. The difference in the behaviour of the fans was absolutely incredible. I know that example was a long time ago but there is still a big difference in football games in Landsdowne and rugby games there, no booze, segregation of fans etc.

[mystiroakey]

My amended post has added some recent insight into football today compared to back then

[GunsGerms]

My amended post has added some recent insight into football today compared to back then

Thanks. Good to know you can have fun at the games.

[JAS]

I think there's a LOT more football violence that still goes on that we just don't get to hear about any more. Yes perhaps it's less prevalent than it was in the 70's/80's/90's but it IS still there and I'd contend that even given the much higher levels of spectators... percentage wise football will STILL be the worst.

The thing now is there's too much money in the game for the likes of Skye News to comprehensively report and make big issues out of the darker side of Skye Sport's biggest cash cow!! The media have got much more savvy about how they market and "spin" their product!! If in doubt, go check out an A&E dept of any city hospital on a Saturday evening.

[mystiroakey]

it really just isnt as bad mate.

but then as a palace fan I have never ever seen the violence(i used to go games all the time). Its not that sort of club and when ever millwall was in town everything shuts down(pubs, shops) and 25 times the police visit.

like with anything- if you want to find violence you can find it. Its not about the football its about the people.

those dockers from west ham and millwall would have still fought each other whether there was football or not

[MustPuttBetter]

There is a lot more violence at football matches than we hear about, no doubt about that. I know a Chelsea fan who ends up in a ruck every week. But, as Mysti says, he goes looking for it, in fact most of the time it's pre arranged. Which makes you wonder why it has to happen at football at all!

Re John Terry, whilst clearly a d1ckhead, i'm not sure his one racist comment makes him 'one of the biggest racists around'. The world would be a much better place if that were remotely true!

[mystiroakey]

yep you still have that hard core element from west ham , chelsea and millwall that I am sure still continue on and have organised violence- However these people are not football fans, the local footbal club just represents what side you are on. it dates back from unrelated non footballing matters. and now its just gangs of idiots that want to be hard and go 'warring'.

[MustPuttBetter]

Well, they are, but they also like to fight!

[MustPuttBetter]

Most of those guys will go to watch at least every home game. They're unsavoury for sure but you can't say they're not football fans simply because you don't want football to be associated with them. It would be nice if it were that easy

[mystiroakey]

Its not footballs fault though and 99% of fans if not more are not hooligans.

[MustPuttBetter]

Obviously it's not football's fault
Unfortunately that doesn't change the fact that football seems to attract violent types and has more violence associated with it than most other sports

[Diggers]

I think this argument is a bit like saying socialising in bars and clubs is marred because a violent element will go to some of these places and occasionally there will be trouble.

[GunsGerms]

I think this argument is a bit like saying socialising in bars and clubs is marred because a violent element will go to some of these places and occasionally there will be trouble.

Not really when you consider how little violence there is at other sporting events. Have you ever seen hooligans at a golf event or a rugby match? I havent.

[Diggers]

I wasn't talking about other sporting events, that's why I used the bars and clubs comparison. Its about culture, not the sport of football.
But I've seen plenty of rugby violence..horrific violence on the pitch...gouging of eyes!!
I've lost count of the number of fights I've seen with rugby lads going on the lash after a game and getting into fights, the rugby club at my uni were always in rucks and getting banned.
Football provides a tribal, organised mass gathering. It can provide a platform for violence. But plenty of people who watch rugby are just as keen to have a punch up after a few drinks.

[MustPuttBetter]

Sometimes socializing in some bars is marred if you think there might be violence, so yes, it is a bit like that

[McLaren]

I see some idiots tore some of the stadium apart and had a bit of fisticuffs over a rangers/celtic under 17's match. Is there anything more tragic than old firm fans?

[GunsGerms]

I see some idiots tore some of the stadium apart and had a bit of fisticuffs over a rangers/celtic under 17's match.  Is there anything more tragic than old firm fans?

Is ignorance/poverty the real problem when it comes to Rangers/Celtic fans? Is it wrong to assume that the problem fans tend to come from under privilaged socio-economic backgrounds?

[mystiroakey]

How to kill Snooker.

Match up McManus with Selby..

Come on get the trump v Robertson game on.

[mystiroakey]

Well again the rangers / celtic rivalry and hate is originally due to religion not football, the london rivalry's are all born from blue collar workers losing and gaining contracts on the docks.

Nothing really to do with football. these days the rivalries have just been passed on to kids from bad backgrounds

[GunsGerms]

Well again the rangers / celtic rivalry and hate is originally due to religion not football, the london rivalry's are all born from blue collar workers losing and gaining contracts on the docks.

Nothing really to do with football. these days the rivalries have just been passed on to kids from bad backgrounds

Yes, well as I say Im not convinced that that is the real issue or perhaps better put the only or main issue.

[MustPuttBetter]

How to kill Snooker.

Match up McManus with Selby..

Come on get the trump v Robertson game on.

Mysti, i like watching Selby. I know he's not all guns blazing in the style of Ronnie but it fascinates me watching him play snooker like chess. I was at the Masters semi's and found the Selby tie more interesting than the O'Sullivan one.
This all coming from a very poor snooker player!

[JAS]

Well again the rangers / celtic rivalry and hate is originally due to religion not football, the london rivalry's are all born from blue collar workers losing and gaining contracts on the docks.

Nothing really to do with football. these days the rivalries have just been passed on to kids from bad backgrounds

Whilst the violence may have it's roots elsewhere and whilst it isn't football's fault per se, the simple fact is that football matches and rivalries provide a focal point for violence like no other sport does.
The Old Firm rivalry (or more specifically - the bile that flows from it) is quite shameful & disgusting and I say that as a former Rangers fan myself. Also don't go thinking that one side needs to other to embarrass themselves....Manchester 2008?? It hasn't really got much to do with poor socio economic background either, does anyone really think that Giro monkeys can afford to travel to different towns and cities every week and Europe occasionally to wreak their havoc?

Getting back to how it's football that somehow provides more of a focal point maybe GunsGerms can illustrate the point better than me as Northern Ireland gets the same kind of sectarian Poopie around its football e.g. how safe would you feel at say a Linfield/Cliftonville football match as opposed to say a Munster/Leinster Rugby match (correct me if I've picked my rivalries wrong Gg)

[GunsGerms]

The only part of me that might feel threatened at a Leinster v Munster game is my olifactory receptors because of Munster fans fondness for ham sandwiches and cheese, onion crisps and dodging showers.

I would probably feel quite intimidated at a NI football game particularly in Windsor park. I wouldnt feal threatened at all at an Ulster rugby match. Strange isnt it?

I admit though I have not been to an NI football game and am not from NI.

[raycastleunited]

Most of those guys will go to watch at least every home game. They're unsavoury for sure but you can't say they're not football fans simply because you don't want football to be associated with them. It would be nice if it were that easy

They may be in the stadium, but the thing is, most of these guys don't even watch the football. They spend the whole game either making abusive gestures to the other fans or on their mobiles planning the post match ruck.

[Diggers]

Here's another way of looking at it. I've been to a fair few football matches in my life, certainly well over 50, not a vast amount but enough. I've never seen any trouble, no fights in or out of the stadium.
My father in law is a season ticket holder at Bournemouth, never seen any trouble in ten years.
I'm sure it happens, is it that common, I really don't think so. Is it perfectly safe to take your young kids to football these days...of course it is.

[raycastleunited]

In my experience, trouble at football has successfully been removed from the public eye. It's there if you look for it, but the chances of accidentally getting caught up in it are slim, which means I think it is safe to take kids to a match today. I imagine it wasn't safe in the 80s, but that's 30 years ago now!

Diggers it really depends on the teams you watch. As a QPR fan over the last 20 years I've seen menacing contingents from Stoke, Cardiff, Man City but the worst by a mile was Millwall.

[Diggers]

I've been to plenty of London games Ray, seem Millwall play Palace and Charlton and been to the new Den.
I agree you can get a bit of menace, funnily enough seen that at Watford of all places.
But really, if the casual fan doesn't see trouble in or out of the ground it begs the question as to whether it's really strictly connected to football at all. More a pre-arranged punch up in the vicinity between blokes who might not even watch the match.

[westisbest]

Here's another way of looking at it. I've been to a fair few football matches in my life, certainly well over 50, not a vast amount but enough. I've never seen any trouble, no fights in or out of the stadium.
My father in law is a season ticket holder at Bournemouth, never seen any trouble in ten years.
I'm sure it happens, is it that common, I really don't think so. Is it perfectly safe to take your young kids to football these days...of course it is.

 
Only kind of trouble i've seen is the team thats won slagging of the losing teams fans.
 
Some is banter, but you always get some idiots who want a fight.

[beninho]

I've been to a few stoke games over the recent years. At times it has a bit of an undercurrent of violence. I saw a couple of groups square up when they played Birmingham once. Though stoke do have a reputation and used to be a hell of a lot worse I hear. At Wycombe games I've never noticed it but heard even in league 1/2 it's had issues. It's not as prevalent though and I don't think football can be classed as a hooligan game much anymore.

[mystiroakey]

The only agro I have ever had was on the way up to Cardiff for the play off final against west ham. They just started giving it to me and my girlfriend at a petrol station.. sad little yobs- but i just walked away.

[pedro]

Any Bayern fans here? RM making chorizo out of the wurst it seems.

[beninho]

Real are very good. Modric superb. Was he this good at spurs?? Good to see real. Make the final a year after dumping Jose.

[raycastleunited]

More a pre-arranged punch up in the vicinity between blokes who might not even watch the match.

For the most part, that's exactly what it is.

Only time I've seen worse was Millwall fans on the tube. Everyone in the carriage - men, women, children - was terrified.

[mystiroakey]

How to kill Snooker.

Match up McManus with Selby..

Come on get the trump v Robertson game on.

Mysti, i like watching Selby. I know he's not all guns blazing in the style of Ronnie but it fascinates me watching him play snooker like chess. I was at the Masters semi's and found the Selby tie more interesting than the O'Sullivan one.
This all coming from a very poor snooker player!

They didn't even get the 8 frames in in during the allotted time frame!!

When you get two tactical players together it can get pretty boring. But when I play more I do to be fair get involved and enjoy watching any snooker. rarely play these days so I need a bit more charisma on the table.

Trump v Robertson on at the moment- The white ball is so bad that I haven't seen more kicks from you tube videos of Millwall fans...

[Diggers]

Selby is a very good player, good all round game . A few of the more grinding players do well at Sheffield, seems long match play suit them. Id like to see a Ronnie-Selby final.
O'Sullivan is the best I've seen I think, better than Hendry even, doesn't really have a weakness when he puts his mind to it. That said he looks unwell to me, his skin is literally grey.

[mystiroakey]

well he may look a bit unwell- But mentally he is getting better and better. Great to see someone come out the other side and full fill his potential

[pedro]

First Gerry Watson in the news... Now Gerry Adams... Don't know which Gerry stir most emotion in this forum... 

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