Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

by Duty281 Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:44 pm

First topic message reminder :

beninho wrote:Instead of a protest vote, then its better to spoil your ballot.

Ukip are dangerous because some people actually believe what they say, and they target the middle classes in areas of law multi culturalism - ( if thats a word). And as gets shown every now and then, the Councillors they put up have been shown as a bit racist. But its easy for them to make grand statements, because realistically they will not get voted in and have to back up the statements they have made.

Have no fear, the nutters are getting kicked out at regular intervals.

And some people may believe what they say for, a lot of the time, it's common sense.

by hend085 Thu May 22, 2014 11:25 am

whats the done thing on wedding presents in England /Scotland?
in ireland it seems to be very much cash "gifts".
i thought that in some cases the happy couple could make a profit on it. ie cash presents +generous parents > total cost.

by beninho Thu May 22, 2014 11:32 am

We did a John Lewis gift list. But received vouchers for John Lewis and Debenams. Made a tidy sum in vouchers to be fair.

by raycastleunited Thu May 22, 2014 1:56 pm

mystiroakey wrote:England under 17's won the European cup. Salanki looks like a great talent- fingers crossed for them in the future- now is the time they need to get down and work hard and not let the media frenzy get to them

We've been here before.... England won the U18 Euros in 1993. We battered France, Holland and even Spain (5-1!). Sadly it didn't lead to senior glory

by Diggers Thu May 22, 2014 2:34 pm

It does suggest that the lack of young talent at grassroots level is a bit of a myth though. The issue seems to be how they go from the youth sides to the senior sides.
Our under 21 side is decent enough, so problem seems to be with the clubs preferring to buy cheap imports rather than bring through youth players.

by beninho Thu May 22, 2014 3:03 pm

Or is it that when the talented youngsters get some of the money the premier league is awash with, they start to change focus. The best will come through, the ones that will practice after training and aim to get better. Look at Messi/Ronaldo and even rooney, all with great work ethics.

by mystiroakey Thu May 22, 2014 3:12 pm

raycastleunited wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:England under 17's won the European cup. Salanki looks like a great talent- fingers crossed for them in the future- now is the time they need to get down and work hard and not let the media frenzy get to them

We've been here before.... England won the U18 Euros in 1993. We battered France, Holland and even Spain (5-1!). Sadly it didn't lead to senior glory

we won the under 17's in 2010 as well- we have Barkley that has progressed into the full squad allready. Connor wickham is another from that group and a few other prospects as well.

There is some talent in this country

by mystiroakey Thu May 22, 2014 3:22 pm

beninho wrote:Or is it that when the talented youngsters get some of the money the premier league is awash with, they start to change focus. The best will come through, the ones that will practice after training and aim to get better. Look at Messi/Ronaldo and even rooney, all with great work ethics.

the premier league is full of money-

The bottom clubs that have gone into the champs win double the money that Bayern did for winning the league.

What do these teams do to stay in the "cash cow". They buy 22 year olds abroad rather than being forced to use there promising youth who just end up on the whole getting loaned out to league 1 and 2 teams..

The England youth on display were every bit as good as the dutch in that final. But the Dutch players may end up getting more starts in Holland's top division over the next few years- keeping them at the top clubs training facilities and management. Because they just cannot afford to splash on the player abroad who is proven.

The Pl is a victim of its own success.

Palace over the last 10 or so years have been forced into having to play youth talent because we couldn't afford any one else.. We have brought through players like Zaha and Moses.

But then even those two players ended up going to united and chelsea and are again - loaned out!!- they are perfectly capable of playing in mid table teams and starting.

The FA are trying to address what happens after 16. One of there ideas is B teams which has caused a stir- But anyway they are talking about it.

by lorus59 Thu May 22, 2014 4:04 pm

England's U17s will be full of the big guys who get into the schools teams over the shorter guys. The other country's talented youngsters will still be developing their skills and the results are not that important. At under 17 the big guys will still be able to overpower the smaller guys but in a few years the greater technical ability combined to their bodies becoming more developed will win out in the end.

by mystiroakey Thu May 22, 2014 4:06 pm

So you don't watch under 17's then.

You couldn't be more wrong with your perception. Its an old school bias that is stuck in your mind.

Very technically gifted lads.

Watch the games then talk lorus

by Diggers Thu May 22, 2014 4:12 pm

Spain usually win the Under 17's or Holland. Not all about the big lads, especially now.
Though interestingly if you look at the past youth winners of UK athletics a huge amount are on the books of Chelsea, City etc. so being a great athlete is a massive plus as well.

by mystiroakey Thu May 22, 2014 4:16 pm

Lorus has just reeled of a stereotype that was true 10 years back. Not anymore.

Same thing could happen to our travelling fans in brazil that could be tainted due to outdated and incorrect views.

We passed Holland out of he game first half of the final. Technically very good and although the dutch got back in the game. If you silouted out the players you could not tell the difference between who was who. Very close to par technically.

by lorus59 Thu May 22, 2014 4:20 pm

I can't watch anything. The Thai military has closed all TV channels here just as I was watching Ernie Els and Rory teeing off.

by mystiroakey Thu May 22, 2014 4:21 pm

What??

Are you serious.

by lorus59 Thu May 22, 2014 4:31 pm

There is a military coup in operation here. All we get is military music being played on EVERY TV channel. And a curfew no leaving the house between the hours of 10pm and 5am. And you guys think the UK is in a mess?

by Diggers Thu May 22, 2014 4:42 pm

Ah, the irony of Thailand. Lovely people with a penchant for a coup, a it of human rights abuse and selling off their daughters.

by mystiroakey Thu May 22, 2014 4:42 pm

I dont think the UK is a mess mate. Never have done.

How could anyone honestly think that when thinking about the majority of the world!!

I cant believe its got that bad in Thailand though.

But you still have the net!

I would have assumed they would have shut that down as well. Can you stream TV?

by lorus59 Thu May 22, 2014 5:01 pm

I am surprised I still have the net. Streaming doesn't work so well for me with my provider.

by mystiroakey Thu May 22, 2014 5:32 pm

Well will it come back before the world cup?

by Diggers Thu May 22, 2014 6:44 pm

Had a free ticket for the ODI but couldn't get into London as stupid Southern Rail had yet more signal problems, gutted.
Need Butler and Root to go mental.

by Diggers Thu May 22, 2014 7:12 pm

Jordan certainly doesn't play for his average. When it comes off he certainly is useful to have around.

by mystiroakey Thu May 22, 2014 7:47 pm

Annoying when the total overs drop to 39 and you have batted 20 first. Gives the opposition the advantage. It should be slightly dl based when this happens. Like they should only have 37 overs

by Diggers Thu May 22, 2014 7:59 pm

It's certainly not fair but the forecast made it obvious rain was coming. England need to get out of the blocks consistently quicker in 20 20 and ODI's.
Still, looking quite good for today so far. Quite like the look of Gurney, just quick enough to hurry them up when he wants to.

by mystiroakey Thu May 22, 2014 8:01 pm

Well we have played pretty well today. Can't fault the RR really.

I can sense victory especially after them 2 early wickets.

by Diggers Thu May 22, 2014 8:06 pm

Nope good today but Jordan's innings flatters the run rate a tad, top order could have been a bit better.
Id like to see Hales in the side somewhere in the series.

by mystiroakey Thu May 22, 2014 8:30 pm

It was DL adjusted . forget my earlier comment.....

by Diggers Thu May 22, 2014 8:32 pm

Extra 14 runs, not convinced that's enough really. Be surprised if they finish it looking at the sky though.

by beninho Fri May 23, 2014 8:42 am

Did everyone go and vote yesterday? Had 17 options for the euro elections. And about half looked pretty racist. Not a good sign.

by mystiroakey Fri May 23, 2014 9:41 am

nope- forget to put myself on the poll register at my new place!!

Good win by England in the end.

by gaelgowfer Fri May 23, 2014 9:57 am

Indeed oakey. Didn't see England batting though. Is that malingerer chappy still chucking the ball? Reminds me of the south African whose name escapes me at the moment.

by Diggers Fri May 23, 2014 10:02 am

Yep, ballot sheet was huge, must have upset the Green voters.
Lots of parties like "We are English, not British, not European Party". Lovely.
I blame UKIP personally....for everything.

by **navyblueshorts** Fri May 23, 2014 10:11 am

Vote? Nope. Not proud of the fact but we had nothing, zero, zilch, nada from any party about any policy what-so-ever. I could have gone along and put a cross somewhere but it would have been a waste of time tbh.

by Diggers Fri May 23, 2014 10:27 am

About a 36% turnout apparently, shocking really for two important elections.

by mystiroakey Fri May 23, 2014 10:44 am

That is shocking- But I cant talk this time as I didn't.

I have voted green party a few times because I just didnt know who else to vote for. BTW I am no tree hugging hippy- its just sometimes you have no option!!

by Diggers Fri May 23, 2014 10:52 am

I can understand why people don't vote. It's just ironic how proud as a country we are to be a democracy, we pour scorn on countries that are say a theocracy, yet do few people actually exercise their basic democratic right to vote.
The actual power to decide who rules belongs to the fraction of the population that vote regularly.

by beninho Fri May 23, 2014 10:57 am

If you do not vote, you cannot complain about policies or anything really. If you have little interest it is best to spoil your ballot paper. I wanted to stay away from the main parties this time, other options seemed pretty right wing, British jobs for British people and all that, the animal welfare party seemed just as mad, wanting animals to be classed as sentient (sp) beings. I went Greens.

by Diggers Fri May 23, 2014 11:16 am

My default mode is Liberal but I think Ill struggle to forgive then for the coalition. When I vote for them in the last election my intention was not for them to do a deal enabling the Tory's to rule.

by beninho Fri May 23, 2014 11:25 am

I'm very similar Diggs, I just keep telling myself, that maybe just maybe they have tempered down some of the Tory policies just a little bit. And it could have been worse if they had full control.

by mystiroakey Fri May 23, 2014 11:26 am

Yeah I went liberal last time as well. but it didnt really work out did it!

by Diggers Fri May 23, 2014 11:33 am

I want to forgive them, but then Clegg says something dumb or Cable will agree with some Tory policy and them Im back to square one.

by McLaren Fri May 23, 2014 11:37 am

Beninho

I went green as well. I am extremely annoyed by the continued pandering to the lies of climate change deniers. To deny that we need to tackle climate change is to say that the scientific method does not work, and therefore all knowledge is false.

by **navyblueshorts** Fri May 23, 2014 11:42 am

Diggers wrote:I can understand why people don't vote. It's just ironic how proud as a country we are to be a democracy, we pour scorn on countries that are say a theocracy, yet do few people actually exercise their basic democratic right to vote.
The actual power to decide who rules belongs to the fraction of the population that vote regularly.

Very true. The trouble is, no politicians really canvass the population and allow themselves to be challenged etc etc. The leaflets that drop through our letter boxes are completely pathetic as no-one actually believes a single word that comes out of almost any politicians mouths now. They created this situation over a number of years and things like the recent expenses scandal etc have simply made it far worse.
I honestly had no idea what anyone's policies were for this election - either at a local level or for Europe. The candidates mean absolutely nothing at all to me and I've no idea what they stand for or what their records amount to. How is anyone meant to make a decent, informed decision when standing in a ballot booth???
Someone said to me the other day "Well, what would you replace it with?" and "Well, become involved!" which struck me as somewhat trite. The system we have, essentially, should work well but has come unstuck because of the attitudes of far too many career politicians. As for getting involved, I don't have a few decades to spare and have far too many other priorities I'm afraid.
Still, could be North Korea or Russia I suppose...

by mystiroakey Fri May 23, 2014 12:03 pm

The above is all true however. As lorus said yesterday from Thailand!

"you think you have it bad in the UK"

by Diggers Fri May 23, 2014 12:08 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Diggers wrote:I can understand why people don't vote. It's just ironic how proud as a country we are to be a democracy, we pour scorn on countries that are say a theocracy, yet do few people actually exercise their basic democratic right to vote.
The actual power to decide who rules belongs to the fraction of the population that vote regularly.
Very true. The trouble is, no politicians really canvass the population and allow themselves to be challenged etc etc. The leaflets that drop through our letter boxes are completely pathetic as no-one actually believes a single word that comes out of almost any politicians mouths now. They created this situation over a number of years and things like the recent expenses scandal etc have simply made it far worse.
I honestly had no idea what anyone's policies were for this election - either at a local level or for Europe. The candidates mean absolutely nothing at all to me and I've no idea what they stand for or what their records amount to. How is anyone meant to make a decent, informed decision when standing in a ballot booth???
Someone said to me the other day "Well, what would you replace it with?" and "Well, become involved!" which struck me as somewhat trite. The system we have, essentially, should work well but has come unstuck because of the attitudes of far too many career politicians. As for getting involved, I don't have a few decades to spare and have far too many other priorities I'm afraid.
Still, could be North Korea or Russia I suppose...

I think the whole all politicians are liars stuff is completely overblown, along with they are all just in it for the money. Id argue that exactly the opposite is the case and most of them, whether I agree with their viewpoints or not, are to be admired for at least standing up for what hey believe in.Most of the parties did canvas us so ,maybe we are lucky in that respect, but I don't think its that difficult to make an informed choice knowing the culture and history of a party.

by **navyblueshorts** Fri May 23, 2014 1:04 pm

I don't think all politicians are liars but I don't think we have a great deal of evidence to support the truth of the words they send out via leaflets or utter verbally.
Voting for a party based on its 'history' is a bit like saying "My dad always voted XXXXXX, therefore, so do I".

by beninho Fri May 23, 2014 1:11 pm

The problem with politics i see, is that the main parties just target the centre ground, be it slightly left or right. If your generally a leftie or a Rightie, you know who you will vote for more often then not. But people that are neither are targeted, which makes politicians pretty bland as not to offend, at parties that do not say much. So when someone like Farage comes along and does not hold back, he generates interest, and has 1 key marketing act, which seems to impress people. Though will they get any elected MPs next year? Im not sure.

by mystiroakey Fri May 23, 2014 1:11 pm

I think its just impossible to be up front and 100% honest even if you are the best Politician out there.

But I would bet the Vast majority of politicians in the UK start of wanting and dreaming of making a difference before the inevitable happens.

But (in this country anyway) they are not in it for the money

by beninho Fri May 23, 2014 1:13 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/22/wyoming-drafts-bill-reintroduce-firing-squads-execution

This is so wrong. A dearth of lethal injection poison, maybe it means they should look at ways to not kill people then. Instead they bring back outdated methods to kill people. Firing Squad? Thats barbaric.

by mystiroakey Fri May 23, 2014 1:15 pm

the land of the free

the greatest country in the world

yeah right- firing squads!!! ermmm

by Diggers Fri May 23, 2014 1:21 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:I don't think all politicians are liars but I don't think we have a great deal of evidence to support the truth of the words they send out via leaflets or utter verbally.
Voting for a party based on its 'history' is a bit like saying "My dad always voted XXXXXX, therefore, so do I".

How is it? You are looking at how the party has broadly acted, can't see what's that got to do with how your parents chose to vote. People talk about parties being more similar in policy and there is some truth in that, mainly because the modern world they operate in forces them to act in certain ways. We are to a degree governed by global economics and of course there is the influence from Europe.
But if you like take a look at the values of most people who vote Conservative, primarily there is a belief in free enterprise, for Labour voters more support the welfare state. The basic principles don't change that much.
Watch Question Time, watch Newsnight...take a view on whether you think Michael Gove is an utter twunt and is destroying the education system. Its really not that hard to gather enough information to make a choice.

by Diggers Sat May 24, 2014 7:42 pm

Was hoping for a Sarries win but hard not to be pleased to see Wilkinson win another cup. What a total legend, one of the greatest English sportsmen in history.
Need to find a way to get Steffon Armitage into the England squad, MOTM today for me so far.

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