Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[Duty281]

First topic message reminder :

Instead of a protest vote, then its better to spoil your ballot.

Ukip are dangerous because some people actually believe what they say, and they target the middle classes in areas of law multi culturalism - ( if thats a word). And as gets shown every now and then, the Councillors they put up have been shown as a bit racist. But its easy for them to make grand statements, because realistically they will not get voted in and have to back up the statements they have made.  

Have no fear, the nutters are getting kicked out at regular intervals.

And some people may believe what they say for, a lot of the time, it's common sense.

[Diggers]

And I say that as someone who marched against the war back in 2003 and still believes it, and Afghanistan, were huge mistakes.

Afghanistan at least had some link to 9/11, training camps etc.

History had shown any occupation of Afghanistan is utterly futile and surprise, surprise its been proven again.
The terror cells are still there, the allied forces barely had control over anything, utter waste of time and lives basically.

[BlueCoverman]

Can't agree that the occupation has been utterly futile, surely it has helped prevent a further atrocity on the scale of 9/11 since that awful day...

[Diggers]

There have been countless other attacks so nothing to make me think that the world has any less jihadist terrorists in it.
I'm sure increased airport security and better intelligence in the US and UK has been more important than occupying a tiny part or Afghanistan and winding up even more people who are likely to attack the west.
I know we are meant to say the service men's lives haven't been wasted but I'm afraid I think that's precisely what's happened.

[pedro]

Most terrorists haved lived in the West for several years. Many are even born and raised in the West. Just look at those from 9/11.

[Diggers]

True Pedro, or increasingly from extreme Islamist States like the Sudan. All occupation has done as far as I can see is increases the likelihood of more attacks from more jihadists who now have yet another reason to hate the west.

[Diggers]

Wellbeck starts tonight ahead of Sterling. I really hope that's not his long term plan.
Cue Wellbeck hatrick now I've said that.

[kwinigolfer]

I have a tough time with Welbeck; drifts in and out of the game, tracks back about the same as Sturridge did for Chelsea and misses way too many good chances by trying to be too clever. Sometimes it works, but not often enough to play for England.
Easy to see why he's not an Old Trafford regular. Hopefully he'll have a stinker tonight and Woy will go to Plan B.

[Diggers]

One thing he does have is serious pace and a lot of energy, and they need done pace as Rooney and Lallana aren't that fast. Worth his squad place for sure but not as a starter for me.
I think Sterling could do a Rooney/Owen and make a big impact if he's played, I think he's that good.

[Diggers]

Sturridge hits those se well, you'd think the defender would know its coming but he keeps scoring from that angle.
Very improved footballer.

[pedro]

England is surely favorite for the world cup after tonight.

[Diggers]

Has Phil been a naughty boy? I don't get rich people, what is enough money?
When you are rich as Croesus already why risk everything for even more money that probably sits in the bank, utter stupidity.
Maybe it's the gambler in him, if of course he's guilty at all.
It would be very hard to feel sorry for a multi millionaire golfer if he ends up doing some jail time for insider dealing.

[mystiroakey]

Its a strange one- because it states insider dealing- but also mentions that they are investigated into gambling and sports.

When I first heard of the issues i assumed it was some kind of tax avoidance because he loves banging the tax drum!

but insider dealing and gambling and sports issues- tell me this isn't as simple as tax avoidance or insider trading!

Has he actually been gambling on sporting events as well which could suggest something even more sinister!

[Diggers]

How can you play 16 consecutive overs in a ODI without hooting a boundary? Bizarre.

[beninho]

I paid 16.95 and glad I did. Well done Froch. No rematch needed. Groves you lobby kid go back to school.

[mystiroakey]

I just wouldn't pay for it on principle-I pay out 120 a month on TV and internet -I got an HD link though.

The cricket was brilliant. Even in defeat. Best game I have seen for ages. Well played Mailnga and Buttler.

[beninho]

Scientology advert on itv. No sign of Cruise though.

[pedro]

Dont think Phil is bright enough to do insider trading.

[navyblueshorts]

Scientology advert on itv. No sign of Cruise though.

Why did they call it 'Scientology'? 'Fictionology' would have been far better...

Dont think Phil is bright enough to do insider trading.

I doubt it was FIGJAM who thought of it though. He (allegedly) just saw $$$ signs...

[Diggers]

Naughty Sri Lankans. Stupid by Buttler though after being warmed the previous over, still, just not cricket I guess.
Still think England are really quite clueless in limited overs matches.

[McLaren]

Naughty Sri Lankans. Stupid by Buttler though after being warmed the previous over, still, just not cricket I guess.
Still think England are really quite clueless in limited overs matches.

What happened?

[super_realist]

Scientology advert on itv. No sign of Cruise though.

Surely religion, like cigarettes ought to be banned from advertising, especially an obvious fraud like Scientology.

[navyblueshorts]

Naughty Sri Lankans. Stupid by Buttler though after being warmed the previous over, still, just not cricket I guess.
Still think England are really quite clueless in limited overs matches.

Serves him right. Stupid if you've been warned twice by the bowler and then do it again!

[incontinentia]

Scientology advert on itv. No sign of Cruise though.

Surely religion, like cigarettes ought to be banned from advertising, especially an obvious fraud like Scientology.

Why, is it harmful to health? If anything I'd say its beneficial, especially to mental health and wellbeing.   

[super_realist]

Mental Health? Are you serious? Believing in something without a reason is halfway to being mental. By definition it is being gullible and naive.

All religions are indistinguishable from fraud, only some like Mormonism and Scientology try less hard to disguise it.

[Roller_Coaster]

Naughty Sri Lankans. Stupid by Buttler though after being warmed the previous over, still, just not cricket I guess.
Still think England are really quite clueless in limited overs matches.

Serves him right. Stupid if you've been warned twice by the bowler and then do it again!

100% with the Sri Lankans on this. 2 warnings keeps it in the spirit of the game (we were taught 1 warning). Maybe introduce some kind of "standard"? First one, bowler gives warning. Second one, bowler takes the bails and appeals, captain turns appeal down when asked by umpire as a final warning, third one bowler takes bails, captain upholds appeal when asked by umpire.

[pedro]

Scientology advert on itv. No sign of Cruise though.

Surely religion, like cigarettes ought to be banned from advertising, especially an obvious fraud like Scientology.

Why, is it harmful to health? If anything I'd say its beneficial, especially to mental health and wellbeing.   

Religion and cigarettes have proven to be some of the worst killers in society.

[incontinentia]

Consider this super- would you rather believe in a fairytale and have inner peace or know the truth and be miserable?

Its like the guy in the Matrix who sold everyone out to agent Smith, he wanted to be put back in even though he knew it wasnt real, but he would be happy.

PS- great point Pedro, hadn't thought of that.

[super_realist]

Inco, I prefer to believe as many true things as I can and as few false (or unproven) things as possible.

Why would you want to believe something for which you have ZERO evidence or justification, and why would choose to believe something, just because it made you feel good? That's just willful ignorance.

Religion is in the same bracket of stupidity as believing in Alien abductions, bigfoot, leprechauns, fairies etc. Religion has NO credibility at all.
People can believe in it if they want, but using a public medium to draw gullible and suggestible people in is criminal act in my mind and is blatant fraud.

[incontinentia]

People smoke even though they know its very bad for them, I guess for a lot of people happiness/pleasure trumps common sense.

[Diggers]

Scientology advert on itv. No sign of Cruise though.

Surely religion, like cigarettes ought to be banned from advertising, especially an obvious fraud like Scientology.

Why, is it harmful to health? If anything I'd say its beneficial, especially to mental health and wellbeing.   

Religion and cigarettes have proven to be some of the worst killers in society.

Id ban smoking before religion, just because it annoys me more. Sick of people blowing smoke in my face in the street and the really annoying thing is every smoker just throws their fag butts away as if somehow they don't constitute littering.
I suppose they would say where else am I supposed to put it, to which Id reply I don't care, you smoked it, you dispose of it without just throwing it on the ground.

[super_realist]

Cigarettes are real though inco. They have an effect which can be measured, tested and ultimately proven. Cigarettes are also highly addictive.

Religion is simply made up and has NO basis in fact at all. I've no problem with people believing whatever they want, but it has NO place in any sector of public life, education, media, politics etc, and they absolutely should not be permitted to advertise on television in order to part halfwits of their money.

[westisbest]

Same here, cant stand smoking.

Religion - doesn't bother me, dont think about it to be honest.
If people want to go to believe in god, go to church, thats fine, have no issue with it.

Its not for me, but each to their own

[Diggers]

Smoking isn't that addictive. The habit of smoking is, nicotine itself as a drug isn't a long term addictive drug.
I honestly think though e cigarettes must be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. I see a lot of kids smoking them, as a kid having a fag used to look fairly cool, you just look like a Muppet with one of the e cigs IMO.
Id say its just encouraging kids to start the habit of inhaling something, especially as they can advertise freely.

[super_realist]

I agree Diggers, an e-fag just shows you haven't the willpower to give up.
I used to be a smoker and gave up instantly. I've always thought that if you really want to give up, it isn't difficult, people make it sound difficult to give up, and of course there's a whole "giving up industry"

[pedro]

super, just the fact that you once started smoking makes you a bit gullible.

[super_realist]

of course, but I had the naivity of youth, whilst I also stopped.
Religious people are by and large adults. There is not a single reason for an adult to buy any of what they teach.

[navyblueshorts]

Smoking isn't that addictive. The habit of smoking is, nicotine itself as a drug isn't a long term addictive drug...

I don't think you'll find that many in agreement with that. Evidence suggests it's very addictive.

I agree Diggers, an e-fag just shows you haven't the willpower to give up.

Except many people credit the new e-cigs with actually enabling them to get off smoking altogether whereas nothing else had done so. Just because you were able to drop fags instantly, doesn't mean you should be so disparaging of those that can't.

[super_realist]

I'm not disparaging really Navy, I think people buy into the idea that cigs are REALLY hard to give up, but that surely depends on how much you want to give up and how determined you are.

I'd rather people used e-cigs than normal fags, but I do question the degree to which cessation items (patches, gum, e cigs) etc, actually perpetuate smoking as a culture which is easy to return to.
Having a tentative substitute and connection with smoking constantly on your mind is a concern. The actual act of smoking, can be as difficult to jack in as the chemical addiction.

[Diggers]

Smoking isn't that addictive. The habit of smoking is, nicotine itself as a drug isn't a long term addictive drug...

I don't think you'll find that many in agreement with that. Evidence suggests it's very addictive.

I agree Diggers, an e-fag just shows you haven't the willpower to give up.

Except many people credit the new e-cigs with actually enabling them to get off smoking altogether whereas nothing else had done so. Just because you were able to drop fags instantly, doesn't mean you should be so disparaging of those that can't.

Very early days on the data re giving up Navy and data coming through to suggest it may also increase smoking in some instances. Hence why I believe we will see advertising bans very soon.
I said nicotine is addictive for a short period, I still believe that's the case. Again I think its all about the habit and people make and break habits all the time.
The reason I cant stand smoking is it invades my space and I hate the littering that comes with it, you cant walk a yard without seeing 10 fag butts in London, its disgusting.

[super_realist]

Can't we get the unemployed to pick up fag dowps?

[gaelgowfer]

I knew someone whose health had deteriorated to the extent that he'd been told to quit smoking or run the risk of losing a limb.  So, in an effort to try and kick the habit he replaced the fags with yon  nicotine chewing gum.  So far, so good.  One day, his wife walked into the room and, sure enough, he was chewing away on the nicotine chewing gum.  Unfortunately, he was also puffing on a fag.  When his wife remonstrated with him, he quite simply told her that he had to have a fag to take away the awful taste of the chewing gum!

[super_realist]

Sounds like an "hilarious anecdote" out of some turd like "Readers Digest" Gael.

[gaelgowfer]

Sounds like an "hilarious anecdote" out of some turd like "Readers Digest" Gael.

Hadn't appreciated you read the Readers Digest sr.  How quaint.

[Davie]

Can't we get the unemployed to pick up fag dowps?

Is that some sort of weird Scottish colloquialism?

[Diggers]

Go Muzza. Is it wrong that the main reason I want a no vote in Scotland is so Murray stays fully Briitish?

[Davie]

Yes. Wrong on so many levels

[Diggers]

Not too tricky to spot that Milner doesn't play right back. He's a good player but its a real specialist position these days, I know he has a good engine but that doesn't suddenly make him an international full back.

[raycastleunited]

Perfect illustration of why you need experience at international level. No question that England have some talented youngsters in the squad, but that match was littered with errors, felt like watching a David James performance. A more clinical team than Ecuador (like say Uruguay or Italy) would have scored 3 or 4, and probably only conceded 1.

Sad to see Ox injured, hope it's nothing serious.

[mystiroakey]

Ray. You do realise bar rooney no one else will start.

Take no notice of friendlies. But at least this one was as entertaining as they come.

I mean it means nothing to me. But you are basing our world.cup games on this friendly. Have you caught the recent uraguay and Italy friendly results?

[Diggers]

It was a chance for players to make a case to start though Mysti. Are you 100% certain who starts in CM alongside Gerrard because I don't think anyone else is. Wilshire was not great yesterday, Henderson was poor in the previous match and talk is now he might play Lampard.
Fingers crossed for the Ox, what is it with young English players and Arsenal and injuries.
Can't believe Sterling gets a ban for a nothing tackle, it was a yellow at worst, good to see he didn't respond to Vakencias attack though.

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