IRB on Residency Laws; "There's little we can do about it from an IRB perspective."

by **Notch** Tue May 06, 2014 4:24 pm

First topic message reminder :

Seems to me like there is quite a large amount they can do about it... ultimately they can do whatever they like about it. They just don't give a shoite.

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_9299770,00.html

by aucklandlaurie Thu May 15, 2014 11:29 am

Scratch wrote:
ebop wrote:Like Samoa you mean?

Well they had to backfill somehow

Bet Thor becomes Kiwi PDQ.

I'm not sure you actually grasped the story but he is not being selected for New Zealand Secondary Schools.

by blackcanelion Thu May 15, 2014 1:22 pm

fa0019 wrote:If they did put a ban in place could it be contested via European residency rights and laws? Wasn't that the case with football even though very few play for teams via residency.

Not sure why they would want to keep the 3 year stance bar that. AUS, NZ & SA don't really gain from it, and they often get what they want eventually. Can't see them being strongarmed by the home nations who may want to keep these rules for competitive reasons.

I think people get on their high horse though about the past.... a lot of chaps played for other countries in the amateur era.... in essence you played for your country of residence not your country of birth/that you were raisedin, in many instances.

Yes. SH players played regularly in home nations sides as early as the nineteenth century. One of the reasons was students studying in the UK qualified via their university. For example the great Scottish backline in the early 20's included an All Blacks captain (Aikin) and a Wallabies captain (Wallace). Ian Smith in the same team, was born in Australia, spent his youth in NZ, and was schooled in England.

by blackcanelion Thu May 15, 2014 1:24 pm

http://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/features/columnists/nick-cain/16348/nick-cain-malakai-fekitoa-case-shows-irb-are-letting-down-world-game/

Here's Nick Cain's promotion of 8 years. Probably the best article I've read on the topic by a UK journo. Take out the kiwi bashing and it asks a few questions.

by **Notch** Thu May 15, 2014 1:29 pm

100% agree with him. As for Kiwi bashing, the NH Unions would do the exact same thing. For smaller nations to thrive the residency period needs to be longer and thats to stop all the big countries from both hemispheres.

by blackcanelion Thu May 15, 2014 1:43 pm

Notch wrote:100% agree with him. As for Kiwi bashing, the NH Unions would do the exact same thing. For smaller nations to thrive the residency period needs to be longer and thats to stop all the big countries from both hemispheres.

I agree about Fekitoa and the general comments about nations taking talent from poorer countries. That includes players like Sivivatu and Fekitoa coming to NZ. I'm just saying he'd be more sophisticated if he didn't throw in a few needless jibes.

by HammerofThunor Thu May 15, 2014 2:16 pm

You know away of getting these teams to be stronger? Get rid of the ridiculous blanket ban on playing for multiple international sides. That was we aren't saying to these guys "Listen, I know you moved to the UK 7 years ago and fought for the UK for 7 years, but you're not English enough so jog on".

by Scratch Thu May 15, 2014 6:25 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Scratch wrote:
ebop wrote:Like Samoa you mean?

Well they had to backfill somehow

Bet Thor becomes Kiwi PDQ.

I'm not sure you actually grasped the story but he is not being selected for New Zealand Secondary Schools until they find his long lost New Zealander 2nd aunt .

by aucklandlaurie Fri May 16, 2014 8:16 am

Scratch what in gods name has 2nd aunts got to do with it?

Oh and please dont alter my posts then use them as a quote.

by Scratch Fri May 16, 2014 3:58 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Scratch what in gods name has 2nd aunts got to do with it?

Oh and please dont alter my posts then use them as a quote.

I added to it to elucidate the issue…..think you're taking yourself a tad too seriously with your 'don't alter my posts' edict. laughing

by **Notch** Fri May 16, 2014 4:18 pm

2nd aunts have nothing to do with it, is the answer. If he makes it as a senior player he will have already qualified on residency for NZ.

And if you think any other big union wouldn't swoop on a talent like that that was in their backyard...

by Scratch Fri May 16, 2014 5:03 pm

Love reading the kiwi take on this……ironic seeing as they have been shipping em in for years and turning them out as rebadged All Blacks, now everyone else is having a go they don't like it. Pathetic.

by aucklandlaurie Fri May 16, 2014 5:58 pm

Scratch wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
Scratch what in gods name has 2nd aunts got to do with it?

Oh and please dont alter my posts then use them as a quote.

I added to it to elucidate the issue…..think you're taking yourself a tad too seriously with your 'don't alter my posts' edict.

Are you a lunatic or what? I asked you in a civil manner not to alter my posts, even introduced you to the word please, and all you can do is pursue with your cynical, sarcastic attitude and then mock with a laughing icon, I bet if a Kiwi poster did this he would be banned by lunchtime.

Just by adding a "taking yourself a tad too seriously" claimer doesnt give you licence to insult me.

by **Notch** Fri May 16, 2014 6:26 pm

Yes Scratch, you are being rather needlessly anti-social. It can only end up causing arguments.

by Guest Sat May 17, 2014 2:19 am

Scratch wrote:Love reading the kiwi take on this……ironic seeing as they have been shipping em in for years and turning them out as rebadged All Blacks, now everyone else is having a go they don't like it. Pathetic.

The real irony is that you think this Rolling Eyes

I'd be interested to hear from you scratch, what Wales does for international rugby? A country the size of NZ and with rugby as its number one sport.

Thought you guys would contribute more. You know, like how NZ develops PI players for their national teams with no strings attached, or how we ship off our coaches to coach national teams, or how we supply developed players to club competitions and national sides. I mean, even Wales with all it's proud rugby heritage has to swallow it's pride and dip into NZ's talent pool of coaches and players to make up for inadequacies.

Look scratch, I'd rather not bicker with you, especially as Wales play such an inconsequential role in the sphere that NZ rugby operates in.

Anyways, take it easy mate thumbsup

by dallym Sat May 17, 2014 4:01 am

Scratch wrote:Love reading the kiwi take on this……ironic seeing as they have been shipping em in for years and turning them out as rebadged All Blacks, now everyone else is having a go they don't like it. Pathetic.

So Jerome Kaino arrives in New Zealand as a toddler and is raised/school in New Zealand. Meanwhile half the Samoan squad at the last RWC were bonafide New Zealanders. And people seem to think that the All Blacks are the plunderers. Odd

by aucklandlaurie Sat May 17, 2014 4:23 am

I think what it is that a number of Northern Hemisphere posters dont comprehend the whole Auckland rugby/Polynesian rugby thing and its standards in both schools and clubs, we had similar somewhat ignorant accusations last week about Wesley college and Malakai Fekitoa, so this week its Sacred heart college and Danny Tupou.

For the benefit of Scratch I will make some Comparisons between Wales Rugby and Sacred Heart college rugby and what they contribute to the World of Rugby.

Sacred heart is a normal rugby college in Auckland, it has never won the Auckland secodary schools comp in its history, its contributions to Rugby are for its standing pretty noteworthy but its not up there with the big boys like of Auckland Grammar, Mount Albert Grammar, Kings, Kelston boys etc.

The standard of Auckland secs rugby is intense and of a high standard but its not as some think because they make some dawn raids on the islands, capture all the young teenagers, take them back to NZ, to become All Blacks, Auckland Is the largest Polynesian city in the World, and that concept I'd have thought was pretty self explanatory.

Daniel Tupou has been at Sacred Heart now for three years and in that time would have had some very good coaching, To make its 1st xv is a big deal, some very fine rugby players have come out of that school, some have gone on to become International players not only as All Blacks but also for other nations and that includes Pacific Islands like samoa and Tonga. Others have also gone on to be International coaches.

Some names out of SHC that some readers might be aware of are Kieran crowley (The Current coach of canada) Isitolo Maaka (the current coach of Tonga) Craig Innes, Mataafa Keenan, Sean Fitzpatrick to name a few. At the last world Cup there was probably more coaches from SHC than there were from Wales.

One ex Ist xv player that even Scratch might of heard of is a bloke called Xavier Rush.

I only know of one ex SHC 1st xv player that has gone on to play for Wales, but I cant recall one Welshman who has gone on to make the SHC 1st xv.

by rainbow-warrior Sat May 17, 2014 9:36 am

ebop wrote:
Scratch wrote:Love reading the kiwi take on this……ironic seeing as they have been shipping em in for years and turning them out as rebadged All Blacks, now everyone else is having a go they don't like it. Pathetic.

The real irony is that you think this

I'd be interested to hear from you scratch, what Wales does for international rugby? A country the size of NZ and with rugby as its number one sport.

Thought you guys would contribute more. You know, like how NZ develops PI players for their national teams with no strings attached, or how we ship off our coaches to coach national teams, or how we supply developed players to club competitions and national sides. I mean, even Wales with all it's proud rugby heritage has to swallow it's pride and dip into NZ's talent pool of coaches and players to make up for inadequacies.

Look scratch, I'd rather not bicker with you, especially as Wales play such an inconsequential role in the sphere that NZ rugby operates in.

Anyways, take it easy mate

Jeez pal, stop posting and pop over to Google earth before you post more stuff before you make a blatant idiot of yourself, although you have been doing that for bloody ages.

by Guest Sat May 17, 2014 9:45 am

rainbow-warrior wrote:
ebop wrote:
Scratch wrote:Love reading the kiwi take on this……ironic seeing as they have been shipping em in for years and turning them out as rebadged All Blacks, now everyone else is having a go they don't like it. Pathetic.

The real irony is that you think this

I'd be interested to hear from you scratch, what Wales does for international rugby? A country the size of NZ and with rugby as its number one sport.

Thought you guys would contribute more. You know, like how NZ develops PI players for their national teams with no strings attached, or how we ship off our coaches to coach national teams, or how we supply developed players to club competitions and national sides. I mean, even Wales with all it's proud rugby heritage has to swallow it's pride and dip into NZ's talent pool of coaches and players to make up for inadequacies.

Look scratch, I'd rather not bicker with you, especially as Wales play such an inconsequential role in the sphere that NZ rugby operates in.

Anyways, take it easy mate

Jeez pal, stop posting and pop over to Google earth before you post more stuff before you make a blatant idiot of yourself, although you have been doing that for bloody ages.

Population size you dunce clap

by rainbow-warrior Sat May 17, 2014 9:48 am

ebop wrote:
rainbow-warrior wrote:
ebop wrote:
Scratch wrote:Love reading the kiwi take on this……ironic seeing as they have been shipping em in for years and turning them out as rebadged All Blacks, now everyone else is having a go they don't like it. Pathetic.

The real irony is that you think this

I'd be interested to hear from you scratch, what Wales does for international rugby? A country the size of NZ and with rugby as its number one sport.

Thought you guys would contribute more. You know, like how NZ develops PI players for their national teams with no strings attached, or how we ship off our coaches to coach national teams, or how we supply developed players to club competitions and national sides. I mean, even Wales with all it's proud rugby heritage has to swallow it's pride and dip into NZ's talent pool of coaches and players to make up for inadequacies.

Look scratch, I'd rather not bicker with you, especially as Wales play such an inconsequential role in the sphere that NZ rugby operates in.

Anyways, take it easy mate

Jeez pal, stop posting and pop over to Google earth before you post more stuff before you make a blatant idiot of yourself, although you have been doing that for bloody ages.

Population size you dunce

Nice try but again wrong. Dummy

by **Notch** Sat May 17, 2014 10:49 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:I think what it is that a number of Northern Hemisphere posters dont comprehend the whole Auckland rugby/Polynesian rugby thing and its standards in both schools and clubs, we had similar somewhat ignorant accusations last week about Wesley college and Malakai Fekitoa, so this week its Sacred heart college and Danny Tupou.

Thats rather unfair; the criticism is not of the schools for giving them the opportunity, it's of the NZRU for depriving Tonga (or whoever else) of their talents. In the same way a criticism of the IRFU or RFU is perfectly valid for their residency imports... all the major unions are open to criticism on this issue and so long as the IRB doesn't act they are responsible. Which brings us full circle back to the point of this thread.

by Guest Sat May 17, 2014 12:29 pm

rainbow-warrior wrote:
ebop wrote:
rainbow-warrior wrote:
ebop wrote:
Scratch wrote:Love reading the kiwi take on this……ironic seeing as they have been shipping em in for years and turning them out as rebadged All Blacks, now everyone else is having a go they don't like it. Pathetic.

The real irony is that you think this

I'd be interested to hear from you scratch, what Wales does for international rugby? A country the size of NZ and with rugby as its number one sport.

Thought you guys would contribute more. You know, like how NZ develops PI players for their national teams with no strings attached, or how we ship off our coaches to coach national teams, or how we supply developed players to club competitions and national sides. I mean, even Wales with all it's proud rugby heritage has to swallow it's pride and dip into NZ's talent pool of coaches and players to make up for inadequacies.

Look scratch, I'd rather not bicker with you, especially as Wales play such an inconsequential role in the sphere that NZ rugby operates in.

Anyways, take it easy mate

Jeez pal, stop posting and pop over to Google earth before you post more stuff before you make a blatant idiot of yourself, although you have been doing that for bloody ages.

Population size you dunce

Nice try but again wrong. Dummy

Oh yippee, seems like I've struck a nerve with the mighty rainbow warrior again.

Go wales IRB on Residency Laws; "There's little we can do about it from an IRB perspective." - Page 3 3559488474

IRB on Residency Laws; "There's little we can do about it from an IRB perspective." - Page 3 3559488474

by rainbow-warrior Sun May 18, 2014 1:35 am

ebop wrote:
rainbow-warrior wrote:
ebop wrote:
rainbow-warrior wrote:
ebop wrote:
Scratch wrote:Love reading the kiwi take on this……ironic seeing as they have been shipping em in for years and turning them out as rebadged All Blacks, now everyone else is having a go they don't like it. Pathetic.

The real irony is that you think this

I'd be interested to hear from you scratch, what Wales does for international rugby? A country the size of NZ and with rugby as its number one sport.

Thought you guys would contribute more. You know, like how NZ develops PI players for their national teams with no strings attached, or how we ship off our coaches to coach national teams, or how we supply developed players to club competitions and national sides. I mean, even Wales with all it's proud rugby heritage has to swallow it's pride and dip into NZ's talent pool of coaches and players to make up for inadequacies.

Look scratch, I'd rather not bicker with you, especially as Wales play such an inconsequential role in the sphere that NZ rugby operates in.

Anyways, take it easy mate

Jeez pal, stop posting and pop over to Google earth before you post more stuff before you make a blatant idiot of yourself, although you have been doing that for bloody ages.

Population size you dunce

Nice try but again wrong. Dummy

Oh yippee, seems like I've struck a nerve with the mighty rainbow warrior again.

Go wales

you wish

by Guest Mon May 19, 2014 2:49 am

Whaddaya know, Hammet is off to Wales to plug a skills gap and line his pockets. Kinda good as he was below average at the Canes. Gives someone with talent a chance to manage an exciting team in the Canes.

Yay for wales IRB on Residency Laws; "There's little we can do about it from an IRB perspective." - Page 3 3559488474

by rainbow-warrior Mon May 19, 2014 7:52 am

ebop wrote:Whaddaya know, Hammet is off to Wales to plug a skills gap and line his pockets. Kinda good as he was below average at the Canes. Gives someone with talent a chance to manage an exciting team in the Canes.

Yay for wales

Yup you can pop over to the Islands and poach some more now egg

by **Notch** Mon May 19, 2014 10:28 am

Would you two grow up?

by Guest Mon May 19, 2014 10:45 am

Sure thing. Feel free to delete the last few posts as they are a waste of space.

by Scratch Mon May 19, 2014 7:35 pm

I repeat

Scratch wrote:Love reading the kiwi take on this……ironic seeing as they have been shipping em in for years and turning them out as rebadged All Blacks, now everyone else is having a go they don't like it. Pathetic.

by Guest Mon May 19, 2014 8:34 pm

ebop wrote:I'd be interested to hear from you scratch, what Wales does for international rugby

Still waiting mate, waiting...waiting Tumbleweed

by Scratch Tue May 20, 2014 6:09 am

ebop wrote:
ebop wrote:I'd be interested to hear from you scratch, what Wales does for international rugby

Still waiting mate, waiting...waiting

in case you are still waiting (don't choke on it)

by Guest Tue May 20, 2014 7:08 am

ebop wrote:
ebop wrote:I'd be interested to hear from you scratch, what Wales does for international rugby

Still waiting mate, waiting...waiting

Tick tock...tick tock... Fingers Crossed

by Guest Wed May 21, 2014 2:15 am

ebop wrote:
ebop wrote:
ebop wrote:I'd be interested to hear from you scratch, what Wales does for international rugby

Still waiting mate, waiting...waiting
Tick tock...tick tock...

Scratch, where are you mate, don't let me down now
Ok!

by Scratch Wed May 21, 2014 6:00 am

ebop wrote:
ebop wrote:
ebop wrote:
ebop wrote:I'd be interested to hear from you scratch, what Wales does for international rugby

Still waiting mate, waiting...waiting
Tick tock...tick tock...
Scratch, where are you mate, don't let me down now

about breakfast time in NZ isn't it. Still can't think of anything, obviously NZ opened the world up to importing players from other countries so Wales can't take credit for that. They have only won 4 6 Nations in the last 9 years but NZ don't compete in that competition so it hardly seems fair to mention it. We even gave Shane Howarth a run out but his Granny turned out to be an Aussie.

by Scratch Wed May 21, 2014 6:24 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Scratch wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
Scratch what in gods name has 2nd aunts got to do with it?

Oh and please dont alter my posts then use them as a quote.

I added to it to elucidate the issue…..think you're taking yourself a tad too seriously with your 'don't alter my posts' edict.

Are you a lunatic or what? I asked you in a civil manner not to alter my posts, even introduced you to the word please, and all you can do is pursue with your cynical, sarcastic attitude and then mock with a laughing icon, I bet if a Kiwi poster did this he would be banned by lunchtime.

Just by adding a "taking yourself a tad too seriously" disclaimer doesnt give you licence to insult me.

Fixed that for you

by aucklandlaurie Wed May 21, 2014 7:16 am

Scratch, Thats absolutely hilarious, you are a very funny man, and tell us what happened at Kindy today?

by Scratch Wed May 21, 2014 7:19 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:
Scratch, Thats absolutely hilarious, you are a very funny man, and tell us what happened at Kindy today?

You are welcome, I aim to please

At 'Kindy' …..one assumes you are using the English language and mean kindergarten?….how original and you are sooooo funny laughing

But in answer to your question, what happened there?

I kicked your butt (again) Very Happy

by aucklandlaurie Wed May 21, 2014 7:26 am

That must of happened when you were having "quiet time" on the mat.

by Scratch Wed May 21, 2014 4:23 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:
That must of happened when you were having "quiet time" on the mat.

You seem to know an awful lot about kindergartens.

by Guest Thu May 22, 2014 2:41 am

rainbow-warrior wrote:
ebop wrote:Whaddaya know, Hammet is off to Wales to plug a skills gap and line his pockets. Kinda good as he was below average at the Canes. Gives someone with talent a chance to manage an exciting team in the Canes.

Yay for wales

Yup you can pop over to the Islands and poach some more now

Poach some 'coaches' from the Pacific Islands?

Chuckles, you are on planet rainbow IRB on Residency Laws; "There's little we can do about it from an IRB perspective." - Page 3 3559488474

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