Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

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First topic message reminder :

I wouldn't be upset, if it were limited to League 2 and below, and had a quota of English players with an age cap.

[TopoftheChops]

Mings seems quite a nice chap actually, spent his christmas feeding the homeless and given away tickets to those who couldn't afford it.

This is true but he doesn't come across well on twitter. Decent lad but can sometimes go over the top.

[TopoftheChops]

Mings seems quite a nice chap actually, spent his christmas feeding the homeless and given away tickets to those who couldn't afford it.

he's started from the bottom, was at chippenham town 18 months ago and worked in an office, now he's a championship player. Shows that you shouldn't give up on your dreams.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I CAN STILL MAKE IT

[TopoftheChops]

I CAN STILL MAKE IT

nah you're too old

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Tbf he plays for Ipswich

He's hardly made it :fishing:

[The Fourth Lion]

Whilst the Championship is more exciting, you would easily be lieing if you said you would rather be in that league than the Premiership. 

Norwich are simply done now. Think already they will be one of the favorites for promotion next season. 

Citeh well its there's now sadly. Money and forgien players wins. 

As for manager of the season, has to go to Tony Pulis now without question. Has an average Championship team, bossing the Premiership. Bloke is a genius.

I agree Norwich will start the season as one of the favourites for promotion. Just like every other team that's been relegated from the Prem over the last umpteen seasons. So, somebody tell me.... How are Leeds United, or Charlton Athletic, or Blackpool, Or Portsmouth, come to that, doing right now. Actually, I quite like the Championship. One of the things I notice about it is that there are far fewer instances of 30+ passes of the ball in midfield that don't progress the ball more than five yards forward and end up with the ball eventually being passed back to the goalkeeper, who punts it downfield, straight to an opponent. You have to be a Premiership team to be good at that sort of thing.


Pulis....?   Manager of the Season..?    <incredulous>   Oh well, everybody's entitled to an opinion.    

City winning the league with money and foreign players...?  Well, that's never been done before, has it..?  (Grobelaar, Molby, Houghton, Johnston, or how about Kanchelskis, Schmeichal, Solskjaer et al.   And what about a team with  Cech, Drogba, and 7 other non-Englishmen..?  I won't even start on the Arsenal "Invincibles".)

Nah.  Winning the league by buying up expensive foreign imports...?   Never been done before so come on everybody, let's all put the boot into dastardly Manchester City, eh.?

[socal1976]

I don't have any beef about foreign players as I am not English and like the international feel and global quality of the EPL. But not happy City won because I loathe the mercenary nature of both City and Chelsea. Buying loads of stars and then sitting them on your bench or loaning them out is not good for football. I will say this about a City victory at least Chelsea and Jose will end the year trophyless that is one plus.

[CFCNick]

Whilst the Championship is more exciting, you would easily be lieing if you said you would rather be in that league than the Premiership. 

Norwich are simply done now. Think already they will be one of the favorites for promotion next season. 

Citeh well its there's now sadly. Money and forgien players wins. 

As for manager of the season, has to go to Tony Pulis now without question. Has an average Championship team, bossing the Premiership. Bloke is a genius.

I agree Norwich will start the season as one of the favourites for promotion.  Just like every other team that's been relegated from the Prem over the last umpteen seasons.   So, somebody tell me.... How are Leeds United, or Charlton Athletic, or Blackpool,   Or Portsmouth, come to that, doing right now.  Actually, I quite like the Championship.   One of the things I notice about it is that there are far fewer instances of 30+ passes of the ball in midfield that don't progress the ball more than five yards forward and end up with the ball eventually being passed back to the goalkeeper, who punts it downfield, straight to an opponent.   You have to be a Premiership team to be good at that sort of thing.


Pulis....?   Manager of the Season..?    <incredulous>   Oh well, everybody's entitled to an opinion.    

City winning the league with money and foreign players...?  Well, that's never been done before, has it..?  (Grobelaar, Molby, Houghton, Johnston, or how about Kanchelskis, Schmeichal, Solskjaer et al.   And what about a team with  Cech, Drogba, and 7 other non-Englishmen..?  I won't even start on the Arsenal "Invincibles".)

Nah.  Winning the league by buying up expensive foreign imports...?   Never been done before so come on everybody, let's all put the boot into dastardly Manchester City, eh.?

It's amazing how many people forget how much that Liverpool team costs. £30m for the Suarez and Sturridge partnership, £20m for Henderson, £18m for Glen Johnson, £18m for Sakho, plus whatever over the odds they paid for Allen, Mignolet, Enrique, Coutinho and Aspas.

It's not as if Everton with their shoe string budget have come 2nd/3rd.

[westisbest]

4th.

Who would you give manager of the season to?

[hampo17]

Coutinho cost £8.5m Nick, hardly paying over the odds for him.

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Can't deny most of those though. Liverpools first choice defense cost about 50m

[hampo17]

Not arguing with any of it, all teams spend money it's how football is but to say we spent over the odds on Coutinho is incorrect.

You could argue that Liverpool can't compete on a financial scale compared to Chelsea, Man City and co which would be correct.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Don't forget the money on Carroll/Downing

Liverpool have like the third highest spend in the league over recent seasons

[CFCNick]

Not arguing with any of it, all teams spend money it's how football is but to say we spent over the odds on Coutinho is incorrect.

You could argue that Liverpool can't compete on a financial scale compared to Chelsea, Man City and co which would be correct.

I'm just sick of arm chair pundits, people with no opinion of their own, and every tom, dick and harry on the street saying Liverpool deserve it more because they do things the "right" way.

There is no right way.

It's the trendy thing for neutrals to say in the title race. It's stupid.

[Crimey]

I think it isn't necessarily to do with Liverpool not spending lots of money but to do a combination of several things. 

Chelsea and Manchester City are seen as buying their spot in the league because they weren't there previously and spent more money than anybody had before. Both broke the transfer records for the first time in recent years. Liverpool have spent money for the past 30 years so it isn't seen in the same light.

Liverpool, this year have used a lot more youth and in particular young Englishman like Sterling, Flanagan, Sturridge and Henderson. That is always going to end up making the team popular. Particularly when people can see Chelsea and Manchester City owning talented young Englishman like Rodwell, Richards, McEachran, Bertrand and not giving them the chance, even though I agree that they don't feel really fit into the side and aren't good enough to be in the first eleven. 

Also, Liverpool are seen as also selling players for big money as well, in recent years Alonso has gone for £30 million, Torres for £50 million, Mascherano for £22 million. And even when that money is dwarfed by the amount Liverpool have spent, it's easy to see why there is a perception of Liverpool doing something different when generally speaking Manchester City and Chelsea haven't really sold players for a lot of money.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Sterling. So good you named him twice! (And nicked him from QPR in the first place)

[Crimey]

Sterling. So good you named him twice! (And nicked him from QPR in the first place)

Meant Henderson.

Who we also bought from another club, as we did with Sturridge. I didn't say anything about producing them, just that them getting played is naturally going to make some people be more attracted to Liverpool.

[Ent]

Losers are liked, winners aren't - when you start winning people stop liking you.

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I don't know Ent, I still dislike United

[Ent]

You'll come round if we don't win anything for a while.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Losers are liked, winners aren't - when you start winning people stop liking you.

Tbf Liverpool were hardly the apple of my eye a few years back

[super_realist]

Louis Van Gaal looks like Herman Goering.

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Brendan Rodgers and Kenny Dagleish did a decent job of holding my dislike

[socal1976]

I think it isn't necessarily to do with Liverpool not spending lots of money but to do a combination of several things. 

Chelsea and Manchester City are seen as buying their spot in the league because they weren't there previously and spent more money than anybody had before. Both broke the transfer records for the first time in recent years. Liverpool have spent money for the past 30 years so it isn't seen in the same light.

Liverpool, this year have used a lot more youth and in particular young Englishman like Sterling, Flanagan, Sturridge and Henderson. That is always going to end up making the team popular. Particularly when people can see Chelsea and Manchester City owning talented young Englishman like Rodwell, Richards, McEachran, Bertrand and not giving them the chance, even though I agree that they don't feel really fit into the side and aren't good enough to be in the first eleven. 

Also, Liverpool are seen as also selling players for big money as well, in recent years Alonso has gone for £30 million, Torres for £50 million, Mascherano for £22 million. And even when that money is dwarfed by the amount Liverpool have spent, it's easy to see why there is a perception of Liverpool doing something different when generally speaking Manchester City and Chelsea haven't really sold players for a lot of money.

Good post I agree, but frankly while not a liverpool fan I think it would have been good for the league if a new team won the title. Of course liverpool have boatloads of league titles but haven't won it in ages. Plus Chelsea and city and their model for winning is in my eyes and in the eyes of most fans detrimental to the game. They don't develop young players from within, they are mercenary and buy lots of players many of whom they don't even need and will hardly ever play. If Barkley played for City or chelsea he would never be the player he is today, or lets say Aaron or theo or Sterling.

[TRUSSMAN66]

Whilst the Championship is more exciting, you would easily be lieing if you said you would rather be in that league than the Premiership. 

Norwich are simply done now. Think already they will be one of the favorites for promotion next season. 

Citeh well its there's now sadly. Money and forgien players wins. 

As for manager of the season, has to go to Tony Pulis now without question. Has an average Championship team, bossing the Premiership. Bloke is a genius.

I agree Norwich will start the season as one of the favourites for promotion.  Just like every other team that's been relegated from the Prem over the last umpteen seasons.   So, somebody tell me.... How are Leeds United, or Charlton Athletic, or Blackpool,   Or Portsmouth, come to that, doing right now.  Actually, I quite like the Championship.   One of the things I notice about it is that there are far fewer instances of 30+ passes of the ball in midfield that don't progress the ball more than five yards forward and end up with the ball eventually being passed back to the goalkeeper, who punts it downfield, straight to an opponent.   You have to be a Premiership team to be good at that sort of thing.


Pulis....?   Manager of the Season..?    <incredulous>   Oh well, everybody's entitled to an opinion.    

City winning the league with money and foreign players...?  Well, that's never been done before, has it..?  (Grobelaar, Molby, Houghton, Johnston, or how about Kanchelskis, Schmeichal, Solskjaer et al.   And what about a team with  Cech, Drogba, and 7 other non-Englishmen..?  I won't even start on the Arsenal "Invincibles".)

Nah.  Winning the league by buying up expensive foreign imports...?   Never been done before so come on everybody, let's all put the boot into dastardly Manchester City, eh.?

Keane, Cantona, Schmeichel, Ronaldo, Rooney, Van Persie, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Robson, Rafael, Hernandez, Kagawa, Mata, Fellaini, Cole, Sheringham, Barthez, Veron, Irwin etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc..

They were all from the Utd youth system weren't they ??

How dare City buy the premiership..  

[mystiroakey]

"Pulis....? Manager of the Season..? <incredulous> Oh well, everybody's entitled to an opinion. "


and that is the majority opinion. Whats yours!!

[GSC]

Don't like the man but Rodgers.

[GSC]

City worthy winners if they cross the line. By far the best balanced of the 3 contenders. Held their nerve superbly last night

[Stella]

Nobody expecting The hammers to win, and hand the title to Liverpool? No, me neither, but it is a funny old game, as Greavsie once said.

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Daily mail reporting Allardyce will be sacked after the City game

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Really? It's odd to think they've jumped on now. It'll have come from Sullivan's speech at the end of season awards where he apologised for a miserable season that had him nearly crying at times. He was rebuffed by the manager and our player of the year Noble. I think a good number of the lads are behind him, but a good section of the fans aren't. I don't expect him to go and don't know how I'd feel if he did leave

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The introduction of B teams, overhauling the work permit system and boosting the number of homegrown players in squads are among the proposals set out by FA Chairman Greg Dyke’s England Commission report.

In unveiling his FA Chairman’s England Commission Report, aimed at improving the Men’s Senior England team, Dyke set a target of increasing the current number of 66 English players playing regularly in the Premier League to 90 by 2022.

In order to achieve this, the Commission focused on the entire pathway for players to ensure they can develop to the best of their potential.
Along with introducing B teams and work permit reform, the Commission recommends creating new strategic loan partnering between clubs.

Important concerns for The FA around coaching and grassroots facilities are being addressed and will be reported on in more detail over the coming months, with the acknowledgement that much more work needs to be done.

Dyke said: "This decline is a problem in countries right across Europe but is a significantly bigger problem in England than anywhere else and if the trend continues we fear for the future of the English team. If this cannot be reversed, a future England manager will have fewer and fewer top level English players from which to choose.

"We want to continue to have the best foreign players playing in England and to strengthen the quality and excitement of the Premier League and the rest of English club football.

"But we also want to develop ways of giving more English boys the best chance of achieving their potential by enabling them to play football at the very highest level.

"We believe that this is not only in the best interests of the national team and the young English players themselves, but also in the interests of the professional football clubs who are spending millions of pounds on youth development programmes and are currently getting only a very limited return on their investment."
The FA Chairman’s Commission - made up of Roger Burden, Greg Clarke, Rio Ferdinand, Dario Gradi, Glenn Hoddle, Roy Hodgson, Ritchie Humphreys, Danny Mills and Howard Wilkinson - began work last October.

In the 80-page report, put together after contributions from more than 650 people including written submissions, interviews, meetings and panel discussions, from across English and European football, and from grassroots upwards, Dyke identified four problem areas in the game.

Area 1 - Inadequate and insufficient competitive playing opportunities for 18-21 year-old elite players at top clubs
Area 2 - Regulation of the player market in England is not effective in preserving the desired balance of British, EU and non-EU players in clubs
Area 3 - Coaching and coach development, especially at grassroots level, have not yet reached a satisfactory level and impact
Area 4 - England lags behind in the quantity and quality of affordable grassroots facilities, particularly in the provision of all-weather pitches

Dyke added: "We recognise that making changes in football is often a slow and difficult process but we urge those in the football world to consider our proposals constructively and with open minds.

"We urge them to balance the specific, narrowly-defined concerns of their particular club or league with what will be of the most benefit to the game overall, to the development of young English players and to the success of the England team."

Read more at http://www.thefa.com/news/thefa/2014/may/fa-commission-report#83PXzTo7yqdcO2UY.99

[mystiroakey]

I would be happy with pulis , bruce or poyet as manager of the season. But you have to say with the worth of the squads and the position in the league pulis has achieved the most- its just that sunderland have done it late rather than early- What is the better way of staying up!! leaving it till the last minute or doing it with games to spare? The final push is remembered as its more dramatic , but it isnt the greater achievement! If Bruce wins the FA cup - I would give it to him - otherwise pulis then bruce and poyet joint second.

rodgers, martinez and Pochettino have all brought good football to their teams and all deserve credit- but all have marginally failed in terms of where they could have finished in the league. But kudos to all 3 for playing great football and utilising and growing home grown players.

And then the 7th manager on the list has to be pellegrini. (as long as he wins the PL)

How can the team that wins the PL not have a manager in the running.

Anyway I cant see past those 7 managers.

[CFCNick]

The introduction of B teams, overhauling the work permit system and boosting the number of homegrown players in squads are among the proposals set out by FA Chairman Greg Dyke’s England Commission report.

In unveiling his FA Chairman’s England Commission Report, aimed at improving the Men’s Senior England team, Dyke set a target of increasing the current number of 66 English players playing regularly in the Premier League to 90 by 2022.

In order to achieve this, the Commission focused on the entire pathway for players to ensure they can develop to the best of their potential.
Along with introducing B teams and work permit reform, the Commission recommends creating new strategic loan partnering between clubs.

Important concerns for The FA around coaching and grassroots facilities are being addressed and will be reported on in more detail over the coming months, with the acknowledgement that much more work needs to be done.

Dyke said: "This decline is a problem in countries right across Europe but is a significantly bigger problem in England than anywhere else and if the trend continues we fear for the future of the English team. If this cannot be reversed, a future England manager will have fewer and fewer top level English players from which to choose.

"We want to continue to have the best foreign players playing in England and to strengthen the quality and excitement of the Premier League and the rest of English club football.

"But we also want to develop ways of giving more English boys the best chance of achieving their potential by enabling them to play football at the very highest level.

"We believe that this is not only in the best interests of the national team and the young English players themselves, but also in the interests of the professional football clubs who are spending millions of pounds on youth development programmes and are currently getting only a very limited return on their investment."
The FA Chairman’s Commission - made up of Roger Burden, Greg Clarke, Rio Ferdinand, Dario Gradi, Glenn Hoddle, Roy Hodgson, Ritchie Humphreys, Danny Mills and Howard Wilkinson - began work last October.

In the 80-page report, put together after contributions from more than 650 people including written submissions, interviews, meetings and panel discussions, from across English and European football, and from grassroots upwards, Dyke identified four problem areas in the game.

   Area 1 - Inadequate and insufficient competitive playing opportunities for 18-21 year-old elite players at top clubs
   Area 2 - Regulation of the player market in England is not effective in preserving the desired balance of British, EU and non-EU players in clubs
   Area 3 - Coaching and coach development, especially at grassroots level, have not yet reached a satisfactory level and impact
   Area 4 - England lags behind in the quantity and quality of affordable grassroots facilities, particularly in the provision of all-weather pitches

Dyke added: "We recognise that making changes in football is often a slow and difficult process but we urge those in the football world to consider our proposals constructively and with open minds.

"We urge them to balance the specific, narrowly-defined concerns of their particular club or league with what will be of the most benefit to the game overall, to the development of young English players and to the success of the England team."

Read more at http://www.thefa.com/news/thefa/2014/may/fa-commission-report#83PXzTo7yqdcO2UY.99

They better make this happen. I'm all for it and will definitely go to a lot of Chelsea B games providing they're priced for the level in the pyramid it will be.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

So the solution to the Premier League failing to develop English talent is to wreck the lower divisions which are producing English talent

Good times

[compelling and rich]

more financial snobbery by the FA just looking after the big boys and putting a nail in the coffin of a lot of the smaller clubs

we are not Holland or Germany, we have a much richer football league with big clubs all the way down the league.

all this home grown nonsense as well, all home grown means is players who have trained for 3 years or more between the age of 15-21. so all thats means is the likes of chelsea/city/arsenal will be filled with foreign "home grown" players.

untill we improve the amount of qualified coaches compared to the likes of holland who are a tiny country compared to us. then we wont suddenly start producing brilliant young english players and whether they will be playing long ball booting football in league two wont matter one jot

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

There's some good ideas in that report barring the "B" team idea

The pitches thing especially

[mystiroakey]

I agree that there are loads of good ideas, i also agree with Compelling that the term home grown means little, grass roots is what needs improving- BUt just read the brief- there is loads of grass roots proposals within

[compelling and rich]

ive not read it fully, i was mainly just commentating of the idea of B sides

[Nakatomi Plaza]

Just had a quick scan of the report. Section three is the most important part for me, but has a large omission. There's nothing regarding the development of players between 12 - 18. The report says that players are joining team's academy's between 8 -12, and are as good technically as their European counterparts, but for some reason they aren't developing to a good enough standard to be picked by the ages of 18 -21. It's all good and well increasing squad quota sizes, but the fact this 'black hole' isn't addressed may mean the overall standard of young English players isn't increased.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Greg Dyke on Talksport getting done by Adrian Durham

Keeps mentioning Germany in relation to the B team idea. 

Germans are scrapping it next season 

 

[Ent]

Greg Dyke on Talksport getting done by Adrian Durham

Keeps mentioning Germany in relation to the B team idea. 

Germans are scrapping it next season 

 

No they aren't.

They've stopped in being mandatory.

[westisbest]

Adrien Durham - jacka55

Gough aint much better.

Having said that I do like drive.

Like listening to Micky Quinn & Matt Holland.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

B teams league plan
10 Premier League B teams and 10 from the Conference would take part.
20 of the 25 players in the squad should qualify for the home-grown rule.
No non-EU players allowed.
19 of the 25 players in the squad should be under the age of 21.

B teams could be promoted and relegated between Leagues One, Two and Three and the Conference, but could not play in the Championship and must always be at least one division below the full side.

[mystiroakey]

B teams league plan
10 Premier League B teams and 10 from the Conference would take part.
20 of the 25 players in the squad should qualify for the home-grown rule.
No non-EU players allowed.
19 of the 25 players in the squad should be under the age of 21.

B teams could be promoted and relegated between Leagues One, Two and Three and the Conference, but could not play in the Championship and must always be at least one division below the full side.

I cannot see a problem with that at all- Sounds great...

[TopoftheChops]

B teams league plan
10 Premier League B teams and 10 from the Conference would take part.
20 of the 25 players in the squad should qualify for the home-grown rule.
No non-EU players allowed.
19 of the 25 players in the squad should be under the age of 21.

B teams could be promoted and relegated between Leagues One, Two and Three and the Conference, but could not play in the Championship and must always be at least one division below the full side.

I cannot see a problem with that at all- Sounds great...

It's madness.

They are just inviting Prem clubs to buy the best youngsters and then just stick them back in the lower leagues, screwing over the lower league clubs as they wont be able to get any loans and will be losing their youngsters!

This will be the death of lower league English football im afraid, absolutely moronic.

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As opposed to PL buying up all the best young talent anyway.

Also you really think its worth it to Chelsea to have the likes of Chalobah at conference level. Loans will still exist

[mystiroakey]

I think its a great move- more english players attached to the best coaching and facilities being primed for top sides styles

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Stockpiling. Its a problem already, it'll be worse with this

[mystiroakey]

However they will be playing in competitive leagues..

imagine the atmosphere at games with the lower league clubs playing against the united B's or the citeh B's

its gonna be great at the cost of a few teams only.

and no b team will be allowed to get promoted into the champs anyway!!

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