Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread Part 'x'

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I wouldn't be upset, if it were limited to League 2 and below, and had a quota of English players with an age cap.

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interesting numbers - may I ask why there is such discrepancies on the facility fees?

Get more money depending on how many live games you're in.

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ok gotcha - thanks

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That's because of TV deals kicking in. Like the BT Sport and the big NBC deal to show every Premier League game live.

Duh. People want to complain about B teams wrecking the league pyramid, I'd be much more concerned with the looming prospect of the PL becoming an elite club.

[CFCNick]

According to Raph Honigstein Bayern Munich only got £30m this season.

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United got 60m last season.

To clarify, the worst team in the division got more than last seasons Champions.

[CFCNick]

That's because of TV deals kicking in. Like the BT Sport and the big NBC deal to show every Premier League game live.

Duh. People want to complain about B teams wrecking the league pyramid, I'd be much more concerned with the looming prospect of the PL becoming an elite club.

The thing is though. Much like having a rich owner. People like to complain. But when there's a chance, no matter how slim, that your club might one day join that club - deep down - you don't give a damn.

One day when Arsenal get a rich owner the fans will make comments about other clubs fans who bang on about net spend and such.

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considering Ligue 1 tv rights are now around 750 millions euro per year I think , I think the EPL is not pricing itself too high.

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Yeah its great to be in it. Doesn't mean its a good thing unless you're in that club.

[CFCNick]

Looking at the NBC deal, the PL only makes $83m per season. But Sky and BT are pumping in £1bn per season.

[CFCNick]

Yeah its great to be in it. Doesn't mean its a good thing unless you're in that club.

What I mean is people will argue against everything else first. Whilst you have the chance to get in you won't complain. Yes, we will probably end up with 12-15 clubs that never get relegated but nobody will complain more than they will over B teams because the B teams might minimize their teams shot at one day joining the club.

Not saying it's a good thing. Just that it isn't going to be a largely debated topic when towns as small as Burnley get to be involved every now and then.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I would like to see more of that money filtered down the pyramid. The Prem is a success partly due to how good our system is from top to bottom.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Pardew stays as Toon manager...good decision and makes a lot of sense

[Hammersmith harrier]

Who's Fergie been sent to sort a deal out for tonight then?

[Guest]

Garay

[NickisBHAFC]

Pardew stays as Toon manager...good decision and makes a lot of sense

Really? Can't see them moving forward under Pardew.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Pardew stays as Toon manager...good decision and makes a lot of sense

Really? Can't see them moving forward under Pardew.

Yeah he only took them to 9th this year and 5th a few seasons back

Never gonna do well under him

[Guest]

A lot of people have no idea really how good a job, under difficult circumstances, Pardew has done for us. Manager of the year, only two seasons ago & before Cabaye left, we were challenging for Europe. The last six months & the Meyler incident has just seen his reputation crumble, however, with backing, he's shown he can bring in players & build sides.

[Crimey]

Yeah it would seem harsh to sack Pardew after a season which when looked back on will seem quite decent.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Enjoyed reading this:

Harry Redknapp, September 2013: "For me, it's the best squad in the Premier League now. They've brought some outstanding players in and it's a real strong squad there now. It's amazing. The competition they have everywhere makes them so strong."

Harry Redknapp, May 2014: "The real culprits of Tottenham's failings last season are not Tim, Les Ferdinand and Chris Ramsey. It is whoever decided to spend or recommend spending £111million on a load of bang average players. There's only one outcome - Tim gets the elbow just a few months after taking on the job after Andre Villas-Boas was, no surprise, sacked."

Amazing how Redknapp's assessment of a squad changes from when the foe (Andre Villas-Boas) is in charge rather than the friend (Sherwood), isn't it?

[Crimey]

To be fair, he's only doing what everyone else is doing. In the summer almost everybody was positive about Tottenham's transfer dealings, there was a lot of praise towards Levy for conducting business early and getting the most out of the Gareth Bale deal and bringing in a lot of highly rated players. On paper, Tottenham have a fantastic squad and most people thought that even half the players got off running they would have a good season. As it is, I am not sure any of them had particularly good seasons, Eriksen starting to do well towards the end and Paulinho didn't disgrace himself. 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. In the summer I thought Fulham, Norwich and Tottenham had all had really good windows. Apparently not.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I wasn't so behind Norwich's work, that's one thing I've carried across the year. I still don't think Spurs bought badly. Nor do I think Sherwood being sacked is anything to do with the summer window

[J.Benson II]

Soldado was a top foward in Spain.
Lamela and Erikson were two of the most promising youngsters in football.
Paulinho was a starter for Brazil's Confederations Cup winning team.

Its easy to say Tottenham brought poorly last summer but the signings looked good. Just hasnt worked out for them although Erikson has looked good and Paulinho shows some promise.

Sherwood was always just a short term option. He was never going to stay in the job unless Tottenham got a top 4 finish or won a cup (which was unlikely).

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Don't open at work.

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[socal1976]

Cmon, Spurs bought a bunch of crap players other than Paulinho and Eriksen. Plus you always have to question the wisdom of trying to incorporate 7 or 8 new players into a side. Sherwood did about as well as can be expected under the circumstances the real dufus here is Levy and Baldini.

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In hindsight yes. At the time Lamela had a great season in Serie A, Soldado was a proven goal scorer.

[Crimey]

Eric Lamela was very highly rated at Roma, there were much bigger clubs being linked with him, and he was also young which is always going to make a player more expensive.

Ettiene Capoue was another young player who was being linked with all the top clubs across Europe and it looked a steal at £9 million. 

Robert Soldado was scoring goals in La Liga, a top European league and so could hardly have been seen as poor judgement. At the time many thought other teams should have tried to sign him. 

There were only the two cheaper transfers in Chiriches and Chadli that looked slightly odd but they were both cheap and arguably didn't even do that badly this year.

[J.Benson II]

Cmon, Spurs bought a bunch of crap players other than Paulinho and Eriksen. Plus you always have to question the wisdom of trying to incorporate 7 or 8 new players into a side. Sherwood did about as well as can be expected under the circumstances the real dufus here is Levy and Baldini.

They turned out to be crap but they came with a strong rep. Soldado was a top scorer in La Liga and a Spanish international. Lamela was seen as one of Argentina's future stars.
You can't predict how signings will go. It is often more luck than wisdom.
This time next season we could be discussing how Costa won Chelsea the league or how awful he's been. If he does flop, it would make him a bad signing but at the time, seemed good business.

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Anyway I'd give it another year before writing them off

[Dolphin Ziggler]

No GSC, everything is immediate and you can only talk about the things in the here and now.

With that said, Ozil was £30m too expensive

[Hammersmith harrier]

Eric Lamela was very highly rated at Roma, there were much bigger clubs being linked with him, and he was also young which is always going to make a player more expensive.

Ettiene Capoue was another young player who was being linked with all the top clubs across Europe and it looked a steal at £9 million. 

Robert Soldado was scoring goals in La Liga, a top European league and so could hardly have been seen as poor judgement. At the time many thought other teams should have tried to sign him. 

There were only the two cheaper transfers in Chiriches and Chadli that looked slightly odd but they were both cheap and arguably didn't even do that badly this year.

I don't think Spurs bought badly at all, I thought at the time that the signings would ensure a top four finish but a combination of poor management and Soldado's failure to adapt left them struggling. Hiring Villas Boas in the first place seemed odd, is the diametric opposite of Redknapp who up until the England job debacle was doing a really good job, to then further compound that by hiring Sherwood left them up sh1t creek without a paddle.

If they hire a manager who suits their preferred style of play and replace Soldado they will be a force again, they have the benefit of having a big squad so can recoup money for transfers through them. Chiriches looks like a good defender but needs someone with a bit more pace alongside him like Kaboul rather than Dawson, Chadli has enough good spells to suggest he can be an option on the wing while Paulinho and Eriksen both have good seasons anyway.

Capoue I will say was an odd signing, when you already have Paulinho, Sandro and Dembele another powerhouse in central midfield really isn't needed, like us they performed far worse than the reality of their situation.

[Duty281]

Spurs' problem was that they bought too many players at once. As a result, they didn't gel immediately (as you would expect) and had a poor start to the season, which led to a loss of confidence and an increase in pressure.

I don't think any of there signings were bad, maybe one or two were slightly overpriced, it was just the quantity and timing of them.

[The Fourth Lion]

According to Raph Honigstein Bayern Munich only got £30m this season.

Only £30 million.   Oh, how terrible.  How can they possibly be expected to survive..!!  

My heart bleeds for their plight.

[CFCNick]

According to Raph Honigstein Bayern Munich only got £30m this season.

Only £30 million.   Oh, how terrible.  How can they possibly be expected to survive..!!  

My heart bleeds for their plight.

If you read the discussion leading to that post you'll see it was in response to Cardiff getting over twice that amount for finishing bottom of the Prem.

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Seems David James has gone bankrupt. Notable mostly for this tweet.

Paddy Power ‏@paddypower 1m

Don't know why people are surprised about David James going bankrupt. He was never any good at saving.

[Fernando]

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

MUTV to broadcast the Holland vs Ecuador game tomorrow cos why not

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Valencias from Ecuador isnt he.

[Duty281]

And Van Gaal's managing Holland...yes?

[mystiroakey]

The Spanish title decider at barca will have 500 Athletico fans.....

Wtf.... I can't get my head round that..

[Ent]

Ain't much of a tradition of travelling to away games in Spain. Very few clubs take a significant number of fans.

Partly because of the large distances involved is guess.

[mystiroakey]

It's shocking and Spain isn't a huge country.

This isn't a normal game. It's the league final.  It's huge.

Imagine it was real. I would bet they would get 20k plus.

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Eh, Madrid to Barca is roughly the same distance as Brighton to Newcastle. And that isnt near the full length of Spain

[Ent]

It's approximately 4 times the area of England, Madrid to Barcelona isn't the biggest journey and it is nearly 400 miles or 6 plus hours drive.

Real probably do take more as tey have a larger fan base but there is no way barca would allocate them 20k tickets or 20% of the capacity.

[Ent]

Eh, Madrid to Barca is roughly the same distance as Brighton to Newcastle. And that isnt near the full length of Spain

Yes but there isn't a history/tradition of travelling to away games ergo less people are likely to do it.

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Aye, because of the distances involved, I was agreeing with you

[mystiroakey]

Ent some days I drive 400 miles for work. 200 each way if not more. Seriously it's nothing.

[mystiroakey]

If you guys honestly think it's right that 500 Athletico fans will be there because it's 400 miles away your nuts.

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This would be 800 miles round trip.

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No Myst, its more a tradition in Spain that there generally arent big away followings because of distances involved. Englands league system has flourished for the opposite reason

[mystiroakey]

You would stay over though. It's still 400 miles a day or a train anyway..


It's not a normal game
 It's a huge game. Count the Pl fans that go to Russian European fixtures just on bog standard European games..

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