Rugby Celebrations

The IRB seriously need to ban players who partake in this crap.

1st offence - red card.
2nd offence - 1 year ban

This should have absolutely no place in this sport.

If you want to act like a fanny go play chavball.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ija97CXb52Q

Bwahahaha   

Makes The Splash look positively tame.

Ah take a chill pill man.

its a bit of fun. Not doing anyone any harm.

I totally agree, rugby is serious business and it shouldn't be entertainment.   

 

Erm werent a few of those clips from good ol' SA Bilts?   

Indeed.

Biltong wrote:I totally agree, rugby is serious business and it shouldn't be entertainment.   

Interesting the all blacks dont go in for that crap.  

alive555 wrote:

Biltong wrote:I totally agree, rugby is serious business and it shouldn't be entertainment.   

Interesting the all blacks dont go in for that crap.  

Whatch the video again mate, Carter, Savea etc.

Biltong wrote:

alive555 wrote:

Biltong wrote:I totally agree, rugby is serious business and it shouldn't be entertainment.   

Interesting the all blacks dont go in for that crap.  

Whatch the video again mate, Carter, Savea etc.

I did and totally innocous.

Unlike some of it is which IMHO is immature bs.

Ok own up which one are you...

GE? Ghost?

I cannot remember the amounts of times i have screamed Noooooooooooooooooooo, Every time Gareth Thomas the ex welsh international score a try, and he would run around the back of the post hitting himself on the head.

It used too drive me mad.

Well to be fair some celebrations borders on stupidity and recklessness, but others are quite entertaining.

Heres a good one, the lawn mower

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC0qd1wbaL0

majesticimperialman wrote:I cannot remember the amounts of times i have screamed Noooooooooooooooooooo, Every time Gareth Thomas the ex welsh international score a try, and he would run around the back of the post hitting himself on the head.

It used too drive me mad.

beat me to that... Called the "the Ayatollah", it was a Cardiff City FC celebration. But didn't they understand how offensive that was to certain Muslim communities. The "beating of the heads" was a mourning ritual by some (notably in Iran - hence Cardiff FC fans called it "doing the Ayatollah").

When Gareth Thomas started this I wanted to scream... He should have been taken down a peg by the coaches explaining it was a near racist taunt.

Pat on the back from other to the try scorer is ok, but these elaborate celebrations, including dives where not needed are just way over the top...

I really gringe when I see a winger go in for a dive near the touch line just for show boating, especially when he is able to run in and put it down closer to the posts for the conversion.

IronMike wrote:Heres a good one, the lawn mower

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC0qd1wbaL0

Now that is original.

You can see it is a Freestate farmer.

It was a forward pass anyway...shouldnt have been a try...

now this is what i call a proper try

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P02uUJ2UAQ

alive555 wrote:now this is what i call a proper try

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P02uUJ2UAQ

Shane Williams?

Check out 2:03 in this video https://youtu.be/FVOh-niWl0w now there's a try celebration! Makes the 'Ash Splash' look rather tame.

Which specific celebrations are we talking about? Some on that clip are perfectly tame and innocent while some are admittedly elaborate and not necessarily in good taste.

One could hardly introduce a law explicitly banning any reaction to scoring whatsoever as a lot of celebrations aren't meant to be offensive and are simply a positive release of emotion. It's the ones that are motivated by a need to showboat or taunt the opposition that I can't stand.

Can't see the difference between them and Ashtons splash myself.

I am not overly fussed by some of the celebrations.  Some are a bit much and would certainly like to see the team choreography celebrations go away.  Agree the Ashton dive is much less by comparison so I should expect those who castigate Ashton to well and truly have their blood up over any in these videos.  

One thing creeping into Rugby are the players who hold up and wag their finger in the 'I am number one' gesture before crossing the line and touching down the ball.  Every time I see that I want to see the ball carrier drop the ball.

I think the big difference with Ashton doc is that he is in an England shirt and if memory serves me the overwhelming majority (the first few are league) are from rugby club rugby. The atmosphere is more carnival at say a Super rugby match - horses riding round, cheerleaders in hot tubs etc. - and so this may lend itself to these over the top celebrations. I agree that some are distasteful in their pre-conceived ideas. Ioane's swivel at least seemed spontaneous compared to that awful strutting dance.

Test rugby though has a different vibe. You're representing your country not your club or province. The swallow dive is tame by other standards but it stands out more for me because it's in an England shirt. George North was told off for the number one gesture to Genia in the first test not because it was particularly offensive but more so, I imagine, because he was representing the UK nations and Ireland. If he'd done it for his Welsh club, I don't think it would've attracted the same amount of criticism.

Thing that got to me about Ashton's diving was that he used to do it for every try he scored. Even the simple ones where he took an offload and may as well have flopped over the line. You shouldn't dive when someone essentially creates the opportunity for you, it makes you out to be a prat who thinks he doesn't need help scoring.

If you've created and scored a wonderful solo try then you've earned a congratulatory dive as far as I'm concerned. But like I said, Ashton would do it even for a simple pick-up and run under the posts.

Of course, all sides learned later that the way to put a cap on it was to just stop Ashton scoring... ever  

George North being pulled up for that was an utter disgrace. And there's nothing wrong with the Ash Splash.

kiakahaaotearoa wrote:I think the big difference with Ashton doc is that he is in an England shirt and if memory serves me the overwhelming majority (the first few are league) are from rugby club rugby. The atmosphere is more carnival at say a Super rugby match - horses riding round, cheerleaders in hot tubs etc. - and so this may lend itself to these over the top celebrations. I agree that some are distasteful in their pre-conceived ideas. Ioane's swivel at least seemed spontaneous compared to that awful strutting dance.

Test rugby though has a different vibe. You're representing your country not your club or province. The swallow dive is tame by other standards but it stands out more for me because it's in an England shirt. George North was told off for the number one gesture to Genia in the first test not because it was particularly offensive but more so, I imagine, because he was representing the UK nations and Ireland. If he'd done it for his Welsh club, I don't think it would've attracted the same amount of criticism.

Great points. And I fully agree that what might be acceptable at one level might not be acceptable at International level. Club matches should be a bit different in tone.

Anyone remember Cipriani's little dance for the Rebels when he scored a try?

Certain sides do dances before kickoff but I don't see calls to ban them or even the furore that surrounds the splash.

Don't see much of a difference to them and try celebrations.

doctor_grey wrote:I am not overly fussed by some of the celebrations.  Some are a bit much and would certainly like to see the team choreography celebrations go away.  Agree the Ashton dive is much less by comparison so I should expect those who castigate Ashton to well and truly have their blood up over any in these videos.  

One thing creeping into Rugby are the players who hold up and wag their finger in the 'I am number one' gesture before crossing the line and touching down the ball.  Every time I see that I want to see the ball carrier drop the ball.

Why didn't you just say, "I don't like Manu Tuliagi"?

alive555 wrote:now this is what i call a proper try

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P02uUJ2UAQ

splits the defense, causes both sides to leave the field as they know this guy is unstoppable, and what a step on the 5m, beats 7 defenders before a scrotum crushing splash down….Phil Vickery at his best

Manu Tuilagi annoys me with his little gestures when he scores a try (looks like he's making an "L" on his forehead but I don't actually know what it's supposed to mean).

However, my favourite recent try was Mako Vunipola's effort against Italy. He was so surprised he had a look around to see if he was in the right place before dotting the ball down!!  

People complain that England dont score tries, then they complain when they do...

I shouldn't feed the troll but hey, why the hell not.   

I am very happy for the tries to be scored lostinwales, but I believe I have the right to express my displeasure at their silly little gestures afterwards. A bit of a celebration is fine, yes, but curious little dances and symbols isn't for me.

Which troll is that?

I just hate how easily these things turn into witch hunts on selected players. Yes there is a balance with this stuff, and I thought the comments on differences between how players should react at club and international level were interesting, but its easy to overreact.

There is also the schadenfreude involved when someone goes for a big celebration and is then on the loosing side.

Ashton's celebrations contributed to him losing his place, comes across as arrogant and unlikeable.

Scratch wrote:Ashton's celebrations contributed to him losing his place, comes across as arrogant and unlikeable.

Absolute horse poo. He lost his place because he was off form wasnt scoring tries and doing sod all else, and there were alternatives doing better.

The fact that there are injuries amongst the alternatives, and that he now, for instance, has the record for the most tries scored in one HC campaign, suggests that he is back on form and may well be back in the mix in a couple of weeks.

lostinwales wrote:

Scratch wrote:Ashton's celebrations contributed to him losing his place, comes across as arrogant and unlikeable.

Absolute horse poo. He lost his place because he was off form wasnt scoring tries and doing sod all else, and there were alternatives doing better.

The fact that there are injuries amongst the alternatives, and that he now, for instance,  has the record for the most tries scored in one HC campaign, suggests that he is back on form and may well be back in the mix in a couple of weeks.

Horse poo

If he comes back and does his usual Splash knob-end celebration he'll be dropped again, mark my words.

Just suppose (however unlikely) that Ashton does a huge dive as he scores the winning try vs the AB's. Do you honestly think he'd be dropped for that afterwards?

I personally think Wade and Yarde, and possibly May (if he ever gets his act together) offer more. I also liked Nowell, although he isnt the finished article. But Ashton has every right to show he has got back to form and that he has developed his all round game. You cant argue with his current scoring rate

lostinwales wrote:Just suppose (however unlikely) that Ashton does a huge dive as he scores the winning try vs the AB's. Do you honestly think he'd be dropped for that afterwards?

I personally think Wade and Yarde, and possibly May (if he ever gets his act together) offer more. I also liked Nowell, although he isnt the finished article. But Ashton has every right to show he has got back to form and that he has developed his all round game. You cant argue with his current scoring rate

I agree but that is not the issue, what is in contention is his knobbish celebrating….it is far too fruit ball. I said it contributed to his dropping because it created a media storm that he was an arrogant pleb and once he lost credibility his game came under intense, arguably disproportionate, scrutiny.

The Strokosch Ansbro celebration surely is the perfect rugby celebration?!

Ashtons celebrations had NOTHING to do with him being dropped.

It was his form and how he was adapting to the tactics of the England side...ie he wasnt.

He's kept playing well for Sarries however and with England playing a more attacking game utilising a lot of offloading from the big guys....Ashton should be back amongst the tries.

lostinwales wrote:

Scratch wrote:Ashton's celebrations contributed to him losing his place, comes across as arrogant and unlikeable.

Absolute horse poo. He lost his place because he was off form wasnt scoring tries and doing sod all else, and there were alternatives doing better.

The fact that there are injuries amongst the alternatives, and that he now, for instance,  has the record for the most tries scored in one HC campaign, suggests that he is back on form and may well be back in the mix in a couple of weeks.

What???? Ashton got dropped for polar opposite reasons.....he wasn't doing the spash becasue he wasn't scoring!

That comment shows a distict lack of understanding of English rugby.

And his defence obviously, or sometimes at least the perception of it. Against New Zealand the try in the first couple of minutes was partially caused by 2 other England players going in to help Ashton when he'd already made his tackle leaving room on the inside. All aspects of his game look spot on at the minute though.

I think in part his celebrations were part of his dropping indirectly.

He was always a confident player but he became a target by fans, the media and the opposition. I think it probably played on his mind. He could no longer ghost along the backline and pop up suddenly, he became a marked man and his impact on the game deminished.

If you're having to defend your actions all the time in the media, its going to be pretty tough for it NOT to negatively impact your game.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

Scratch wrote:Ashton's celebrations contributed to him losing his place, comes across as arrogant and unlikeable.

Absolute horse poo. He lost his place because he was off form wasnt scoring tries and doing sod all else, and there were alternatives doing better.

The fact that there are injuries amongst the alternatives, and that he now, for instance,  has the record for the most tries scored in one HC campaign, suggests that he is back on form and may well be back in the mix in a couple of weeks.

What???? Ashton got dropped for polar opposite reasons.....he wasn't doing the spash becasue he wasn't scoring!

That comment shows a distict lack of understanding of English rugby.

Sure it does Poooooooly. i don't understand that Ashton not scoring got him dropped. QED I don't understand English rugby    

Did you promulgate that hypothesis yourself or get your pet gerbil Wonka to do it for you?

Are you trying to actually prove you are the missing link because you just did.

Do you find it that hard to form a reasonable argument without personally attacking me?

Ashton's celebrations contributed to him losing his place

This is extremley wide of the mark.

His poor defence and inabilty to get into games resulted him being dropped, his "splash" had nothing to do with it.

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Do you find it that hard to form a reasonable argument without personally attacking me?

Ashton's celebrations contributed to him losing his place

This is extremley wide of the mark.

His poor defence and inabilty to get into games resulted him being dropped, his "splash" had nothing to do with it.

Attack you?   

You have read what you wanted to read. My statement was that Ashton's celebration contributed to him being dropped - this is a thread about celebrations- I didn't say it was the reason, i then expounds don that by saying it created an image of him in the press as arrogant and unlivable which undermined him as a player

Got it now.

Are you going to run to teacher again if i disagree with you?

Notch wrote:Scratch, you are once again making overly personal remarks. You are warned once again. Please stop being so confrontational.

What personal remarks? Did i insult Wonka the gerbil. sorry.

There's little need for this really, just stick to the topics and talk rugby. Every post has an underlying personal attack.