London 7's

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Only just started watching this as England play Wales. Wales got an early try but England have just edged ahead with two of their own. Still two minutes to play.

Scotland lost to France, so it'll be an uphill climb to match last week's heroics.

Another win for England

They didn't play well but into the semis.

Scramble, you crack me up!

That's a lot of words to miss the point.

It's not a maul. Laws governing a maul don't apply. Unless they keep their wits about them, teams who attempt to form a maul when the opposition doesn't engage get penalized.

Depending on whether they take the ball in, or tackle a ball carrier, the penalties come for obstruction, not releasing, or offside.

Just as they did against Fiji, New Zealand got themselves into a mess. They thought they had a choke tackle going but that only works if there's a maul.

Referees in sevens don't particularly like the way the sides game the laws these days so they warn the other team to give them a chance to adjust. NZ had a chance to back off, get the player to ground or drive him forward from behind. They did none of these which gave the ref a full palette of penalty options.

England aren't making things easy for themselves but that's another win we'll take.

19-17 over France.

A lot of correct words - sorry I didn't realise you had trouble reading, I'll be more succinct.

It may not be a maul - but it's not a tackle until the player is brought to ground.

Either way it's not a penalty - which is what the referee awarded.

Did you notice that France were awarded a scrum in the first minute for the held up player? Interesting inconsistency there.

It is you who have missed the point - the penalty in the Fiji game came only when the player had been brought to ground, in the England game the player was not brought to ground and therefore not tackled. It was a BAD CALL THAT FAVOURED ENGLAND - just like the ridiculous "forward pass" call.

Still didn't alter the huge number of questionable calls that went England's way. We even saw the commentary team essentially apologising to france.

Dan norton deserved a yellow for the deliberate knock down which again went unpenalised.

England allowed a lot of latitude it seems. "The twickenham factor" as I've said.

every new account you create you take less time to start the anti-English bile. You don't even try and disguise it any more.

 

 same old once again...

No idea what you are talking about but I notice you are unable to debate my correct application of the laws or should I say their mis-application at twickenham.

Why come on a forum and pretend to be a different nationality?

It's very weird behaviour.

Anyway, back on topic.

Aussies going well.

Hopefully a couple more cracking QFs to come. Should both be close.

It would be difficult for me to have missed the point about the Fiji incident seeing as I'm the one who made it.

Since New Zealand were getting themselves in their now traditional mess when faced with non-engagement, they gave the referee a choice of penalties. Unless you think obstruction, offside, not releasing and preventing release are never applicable to the men in black.

Nope. The Fiji call was correct. NZ held the player up and drove him back 60 yards or so, there was no engagement by any other defender so not a maul - the player then went to ground - at that point he was tackled and the NZ players needed to release. I have no problem with that call.

In the England game NZ held up an England player, no defender joined and the player did not go to ground. What we had was a "nothing". Whilst NZ players wrestled for the ball they were bizarrely penalised for "not releasing". It was a nonsense call. The referee got it wrong. It was the first of many calls he got wrongs

You're Welsh this time then? Good to mix things up.

A fine win for Wales this morning over a feisty and improving Scotland.

Samoa have looked well off their best for a while now but they have been much better this weekend. There's no shame in going to Fiji, who look like a real handful.

If England do manage to beat Australia, then NZ or Fiji will likely be well beyond us, unless we play out of our skins. Australia may well have our measure. They will certainly fancy their chances this weekend's form.

Rugby Fan wrote:If England do manage to beat Australia, then NZ or Fiji will likely be well beyond us, unless we play out of our skins. Australia may well have our measure. They will certainly fancy their chances this weekend's form.

Yeah, England have just done enough each game and not looked particularly impressive. Really slow starters.

They'll have to really raise their game to go all the way.

Re the Mikkelson card yesterday. That was for tripping I thought.

How has Tuwai not got a 15s contract anywhere? He is the most naturally gifted player on the circuit.

Nothing better than watching an in form Fiji.

Hound of Harrow wrote:Re the Mikkelson card yesterday. That was for tripping I thought.

Tripping with his arms?

Scramble wrote:

Hound of Harrow wrote:Re the Mikkelson card yesterday. That was for tripping I thought.

Tripping with his arms?

Yes. He was on the ground, if he was on his feet it would have been a fine tap tackle but he made no effort to get back up before he tripped the guy. Correct call.

Forward pass a harsh, incorrect call.

South Africa haven't been at the races in the last two tournaments. Perhaps they lost a bit of motivation when New Zealand sealed the series win.

South Africa and Samoa look like two teams on opposite trajectories. It's 0-17 at half time. Earlier in the season, they could overhaul that deficit but it might be beyond them today.

Well. pride has kicked in, and they scored twice to make it 10-17 with 3:25 left on the clock.

Scores level now with a minute left.

South Africa win with the last play of fulltime. That was a great match to watch. Samoa a bit naive in the second half, with players running away from support and getting turned over.

First try to Australia against England. Nice of them to miss the conversion from in front of the posts, though.

Australia 10-0 up now. They've had all the game so far.

Australia have missed their conversions but three tries makes for a healthy looking 15-0 lead.

One try back for England but it took us well over a minute of possession to get it and that's just about all the ball we've had so far.

Just over two and a half minutes to go. England need to score now to have a sniff.

90 second left and England turn the ball over.

Dan Norton scored a late try. Apparently, a team can turn down the conversion in favour of a restart to keep play going.

However, the referee has called full-time and we have scenes of the England coach arguing furiously with the officials.

I don't know what happened, but I was surprised to see Dan Norton slow down to run in that try. By the time he touched down, the clock was in the red. The commentary team think the referee got it wrong but Australia did look the better team.

The irony of England complaining about the officials! They should've gone out to South Africa this morning if they hadn't been handed the easy draw via the "non forward pass" controversy.

Karma.

Notch wrote:

Scramble wrote:

Hound of Harrow wrote:Re the Mikkelson card yesterday. That was for tripping I thought.

Tripping with his arms?

Yes. He was on the ground, if he was on his feet it would have been a fine tap tackle but he made no effort to get back up before he tripped the guy. Correct call.

Forward pass a harsh, incorrect call.

He was actually entirely in the air when he made contact. Controversial - consider what counts as being "on your feet" in a ruck these days.

Penalty was harsh, yellow card utterly ridiculous.

Mods, do we really have to have this WUM ruining another thread?

Can we not just discuss the 7s games without this anti-English poster being all over the thread?

Weird end to that game. Aussies were the better side though. England never really got going this tournament.

Oh wait - when England feel aggrieved then it's ok to moan about the officials but when it's England's advantage then pointing it out is Wumming? Wow, you want to eat your cake and have it too.

I don't see any English fans on this thread complaining.

You're the one throwing your toys out of the pram.

Can't you just grow up and stop trying to annoy people?

Fantastic by NZ. They could have tried a kick to tie the game but they went for a try and scored it. Fiji played well, and looked like they might have just done enough but they were pulled out of position all across the pitch.

NZ face Australia in the final

I like the way you differentiate "Arguing furiously" with "throwing toys from prams" depending on whose side you are on.

Scramble - most new posters ease themselves into things on this forum before causing arguments.

You are being watched, and if you carry on like this you won't last long.

I'm sorry to interrupt, but of course it's him, GG, GE, the borat fella. Also it's the single reason I only read and rarely post on this forum any longer. Its become almost racist whenever this particular sad case adds his stuff. It's not funny. It's not clever. It's bullshoit.

Aussies are smashing NZ in the final.

21-0 halfway through the first half.

NZ are coming back now though!

21-21 at half-time.

I can see NZ pull away second half now.

This is a brilliant final.

28-28 with about 6 mins to go.

NZ should win it from here.

42-28

London 7s, Atleti close out the League as Crusaders have aleeady humped the Reds. Loads of jarras in me, 31 degrees, the layers are off, make this the perfect Sunday...

Final score:

NZ 52 Aus 33

Well done NZ. Cracking final!

As a Welshman I'm just so impressed by those New Zealand 7's All Blacks. Probably the greatest sporting team ever. A true inspiration for us.

Hint; actual Welsh people don't start sentences with 'As a Welshman' then spend all their time banging on about the All Blacks.

Irony Nz after being caught cold by Australia come back from 3 tries down[one direct from
a sloppy pass by Mikkelson].Equalizing try from a obvious forward pass incredible final
Aus score 33 points and lose badly.
Nz did it the hard way via Sa and Fiji just like in Glasgow,credit to England they played
well in this Tournament.

What ws the attendance on the 2nd day? Highlights make it look like it went from 70000 to 7000!