2014 Summer Transfer Window Thread

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Seems as though Joe Cole has been released by West Ham, might be a solid bargain for a lower league team if hes prepared to drop

[Champagne_Socialist]

Apparently C and R thoughts like that are delusion, not like we have a front four to rival any in the division, have improved both the defence and midfield while the transfer window hasn't even opened.

You saying costa will be a flop is delusion.

You improved the defence by buying an 18 year old back up left back, hardly like you just bought Chiellini.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I don't think its outrageous to suggest Costa's physicality will be negated in the Prem, I mean in the CL two legs against Chelsea Cahill/Terry really negated him quite well (small sample size sure). Injury issues could be a big problem with Costa I think, seems to have this hamstring problem and they never go away really.

Think Utd have started off the transfer market well. Herrera is a good player, a marked improvement on there current CM's, and I think Shaw is going to be top quality very soon

[compelling and rich]

The squad may have been better than 7th but it wasn't CL caliber.

A lot of average in that squad.

a lot of average that walked the league the season before with a proper manager

The squad that won the league in 12/13 was better though. Your older players were younger and you had an uninjured Van Persie who won you the league.

defence we were because of rio and vidic going even though rios legs were pretty gone that season anyway, but lvg can get the best out of rvp, add mata, januzaj, herrera and shaw as well as a better de gea to it and i think we look stronger next season.

[Champagne_Socialist]

I don't think its outrageous to suggest Costa's physicality will be negated in the Prem, I mean in the CL two legs against Chelsea Cahill/Terry really negated him quite well (small sample size sure). Injury issues could be a big problem with Costa I think, seems to have this hamstring problem and they never go away really.

Think Utd have started off the transfer market well. Herrera is a good player, a marked improvement on there current CM's, and I think Shaw is going to be top quality very soon

Well it is delusion when you have no examples apart from 1 game against the best defensive team in the world ( a team he is joining).

Personally as an Arsenal fan I am very worried about Chelsea having Costa. I hope he flops believe me but they guy looks perfect for Chelsea.

herrera is an improvement but it is not hard to imrove on Man U's midfield.

[Champagne_Socialist]

The squad may have been better than 7th but it wasn't CL caliber.

A lot of average in that squad.

a lot of average that walked the league the season before with a proper manager

The squad that won the league in 12/13 was better though. Your older players were younger and you had an uninjured Van Persie who won you the league.

defence we were because of rio and vidic going even though rios legs were pretty gone that season anyway, but lvg can get the best out of rvp, add mata, januzaj, herrera and shaw as well as a better de gea to it and i think we look stronger next season.

I would add that in 12/13 man city/arsenal/chelsea etc were no where near as strong as in 13/14.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I don't think its outrageous to suggest Costa's physicality will be negated in the Prem, I mean in the CL two legs against Chelsea Cahill/Terry really negated him quite well (small sample size sure). Injury issues could be a big problem with Costa I think, seems to have this hamstring problem and they never go away really.

Think Utd have started off the transfer market well. Herrera is a good player, a marked improvement on there current CM's, and I think Shaw is going to be top quality very soon

The Dutch and Chileans are also physical teams, didn't cause either any problems; Kanoute and Forlan were nobodies in the premier league but both were physical presences in Spain, it's a far weaker league. It might be a more technical league but physically it's far inferior.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

so Tomkins then...

Our second best centre back? Although I'm not a Vlaar fan at all really so probably wouldnt have him at ours either

[compelling and rich]

I don't think its outrageous to suggest Costa's physicality will be negated in the Prem, I mean in the CL two legs against Chelsea Cahill/Terry really negated him quite well (small sample size sure). Injury issues could be a big problem with Costa I think, seems to have this hamstring problem and they never go away really.

Think Utd have started off the transfer market well. Herrera is a good player, a marked improvement on there current CM's, and I think Shaw is going to be top quality very soon

The Dutch and Chileans are also physical teams, didn't cause either any problems; Kanoute and Forlan were nobodies in the premier league but both were physical presences in Spain, it's a far weaker league. It might be a more technical league but physically it's far inferior.

not too mention the defences are much much poorer

[Champagne_Socialist]

I don't think its outrageous to suggest Costa's physicality will be negated in the Prem, I mean in the CL two legs against Chelsea Cahill/Terry really negated him quite well (small sample size sure). Injury issues could be a big problem with Costa I think, seems to have this hamstring problem and they never go away really.

Think Utd have started off the transfer market well. Herrera is a good player, a marked improvement on there current CM's, and I think Shaw is going to be top quality very soon

The Dutch and Chileans are also physical teams, didn't cause either any problems; Kanoute and Forlan were nobodies in the premier league but both were physical presences in Spain, it's a far weaker league. It might be a more technical league but physically it's far inferior.

Well he was still injured coming into this WC but he still managed to win a penalty against the Dutch.

[Champagne_Socialist]

I don't think its outrageous to suggest Costa's physicality will be negated in the Prem, I mean in the CL two legs against Chelsea Cahill/Terry really negated him quite well (small sample size sure). Injury issues could be a big problem with Costa I think, seems to have this hamstring problem and they never go away really.

Think Utd have started off the transfer market well. Herrera is a good player, a marked improvement on there current CM's, and I think Shaw is going to be top quality very soon

The Dutch and Chileans are also physical teams, didn't cause either any problems; Kanoute and Forlan were nobodies in the premier league but both were physical presences in Spain, it's a far weaker league. It might be a more technical league but physically it's far inferior.

not too mention the defences are much much poorer

What evidence do you have that the defences are poorer?

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Costa could flop like Torres and Shevvy before him. A player who has had one very good year (thats very good before you bring up decent or average years) yet struggled against Chelsea and then looked poor in the World Cup. Both of those can be argued away, but it is precedent too if he does struggle.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Ashley Young has won us a few penalties must make him world class too, Costa has had one good season and is suddenly an undoubted world class player something I don't buy.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Costa could flop like Torres and Shevvy before him. A player who has had one very good year (thats very good before you bring up decent or average years) yet struggled against Chelsea and then looked poor in the World Cup. Both of those can be argued away, but it is precedent too if he does struggle.

Costa will be the next Drogba.

[Hammersmith harrier]

C and R, you must back up your opinions with hard statistics, nothing else will do.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I don't think its outrageous to suggest Costa's physicality will be negated in the Prem, I mean in the CL two legs against Chelsea Cahill/Terry really negated him quite well (small sample size sure). Injury issues could be a big problem with Costa I think, seems to have this hamstring problem and they never go away really.

Think Utd have started off the transfer market well. Herrera is a good player, a marked improvement on there current CM's, and I think Shaw is going to be top quality very soon

Well it is delusion when you have no examples apart from 1 game against the best defensive team in the world ( a team he is joining).

Personally as an Arsenal fan I am very worried about Chelsea having Costa. I hope he flops believe me but they guy looks perfect for Chelsea.

herrera is an improvement but it is not hard to imrove on Man U's midfield.

Whilst he is clearly talented he's only really had one very good year, the rest are fairly Meh and he has injury issues, plus Chelsea don't seem to be strikers and turn them into successes. Of course he could score 35 next year, but I'm always a little wary of guys with only one season of production so to speak (like we've signed Grabban on one year of Championship production)

Personally I don't see him replicating his Atletico form next season, I think it'll take him a while to adapt to the English game.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Ashley Young has won us a few penalties must make him world class too, Costa has had one good season and is suddenly an undoubted world class player something I don't buy.

Costa has for the past 2 years scored 20+ goals a season and he was only 22 at the beginning of one of those seasons (he is still only 25 now)

[Hammersmith harrier]

Costa could flop like Torres and Shevvy before him. A player who has had one very good year (thats very good before you bring up decent or average years) yet struggled against Chelsea and then looked poor in the World Cup. Both of those can be argued away, but it is precedent too if he does struggle.

Costa will be the next Drogba.

So Chelsea will get two good seasons out of him in eight years then.

[Champagne_Socialist]

Costa could flop like Torres and Shevvy before him. A player who has had one very good year (thats very good before you bring up decent or average years) yet struggled against Chelsea and then looked poor in the World Cup. Both of those can be argued away, but it is precedent too if he does struggle.

Costa will be the next Drogba.

So Chelsea will get two good seasons out of him in eight years then.

that's why no one takes your footballing views seriously and why I ignored you for 6 months.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

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But seriously, Drogba was incredible

[Hammersmith harrier]

You don't Dior because without statistics you know the square root of f all, aside from a couple seasons Drogba was more suited to cup matches rather than the league, his overall scoring record is very similar to that of Hernandez.

[Champagne_Socialist]

You don't Dior because without statistics you know the square root of f all, aside from a couple seasons Drogba was more suited to cup matches rather than the league, his overall scoring record is very similar to that of Hernandez.

You talk about me only knowing statistics and then you try to use a statistic to back up your argument.

Drogba was amazing and one of the best strikers that have been in the EPL and because you are resorting to trolling I will put you back on my ignore list for another 6 months because you are boring me.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Anyways real transfer news 

Snodgrass passed his hull medical and is expected to complete the deal tomorrow

For some reason we're signing Kyle Lafferty, although that deal seems to have fizzled out a little

Gary Hooper will be off in the next week or so, as I've heard

[compelling and rich]

I don't think its outrageous to suggest Costa's physicality will be negated in the Prem, I mean in the CL two legs against Chelsea Cahill/Terry really negated him quite well (small sample size sure). Injury issues could be a big problem with Costa I think, seems to have this hamstring problem and they never go away really.

Think Utd have started off the transfer market well. Herrera is a good player, a marked improvement on there current CM's, and I think Shaw is going to be top quality very soon

The Dutch and Chileans are also physical teams, didn't cause either any problems; Kanoute and Forlan were nobodies in the premier league but both were physical presences in Spain, it's a far weaker league. It might be a more technical league but physically it's far inferior.

not too mention the defences are much much poorer

What evidence do you have that the defences are poorer?

watching the likes of barca win the league with a cm playing in defence with ease then being totally found out in europe, also two top teams playing wingers for full backs and ramos is one of the best cb in the league      

[Hammersmith harrier]

It's not really trolling it's the reality of the situation, Drogba in a one off cup game was the man you'd want up front but over the course of a full season he rarely hit the heights consistently.

[Champagne_Socialist]

I don't think its outrageous to suggest Costa's physicality will be negated in the Prem, I mean in the CL two legs against Chelsea Cahill/Terry really negated him quite well (small sample size sure). Injury issues could be a big problem with Costa I think, seems to have this hamstring problem and they never go away really.

Think Utd have started off the transfer market well. Herrera is a good player, a marked improvement on there current CM's, and I think Shaw is going to be top quality very soon

The Dutch and Chileans are also physical teams, didn't cause either any problems; Kanoute and Forlan were nobodies in the premier league but both were physical presences in Spain, it's a far weaker league. It might be a more technical league but physically it's far inferior.

not too mention the defences are much much poorer

What evidence do you have that the defences are poorer?

watching the likes of barca win the league with a cm playing in defence with ease then being totally found out in europe, also two top teams playing wingers for full backs and ramos is one of the best cb in the league      

I actually like Ramos and in the last world cup he only conceeded 1 goal. he gets a lot of criticism from people on here but he is loved in Spain and always makes dream teams for FIFA and the CL etc etc

And a spanish defence kept 2 clean sheets against the defending CL winners in bayern Munich....

[Dolphin Ziggler]

It's not really trolling it's the reality of the situation, Drogba in a one off cup game was the man you'd want up front but over the course of a full season he rarely hit the heights consistently.

Nope. Thats a complete misunderstanding of the player and his role, as well as his impact on that team

[Dolphin Ziggler]

I do think defences are poorer currently. Kompany isnt an amazing centre back, hes very good but he wouldnt be the big player he is on a world scene of ten years ago.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I'd agree with your second point Dolph, very few world class centre backs out there. A world class centre back for me excels in an attacking team like Stam, Ferdinand or Vidic or is just impenetrable like the Milan defence of the 90's.

Chelsea currently can defend well as a unit consisting of eight players but the moment they try and attack their defence gets exposed. When they had Carvalho their defence was class no matter what, the basis of defence now seems to be to protect the defenders rather than to trust them.

[compelling and rich]

I do think defences are poorer currently. Kompany isnt an amazing centre back, hes very good but he wouldnt be the big player he is on a world scene of ten years ago.

think teams have over emphasized on having defenders who can play it out from the back and a lot lack basic defending ability. david luiz being sold for 50mil is a example of this, and think Spanish have been some of the worst culprits in this

[compelling and rich]

and ramos idea of defending is to foul you

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Spain's best defender at their peak was their only actual defender who wanted to defend. Puyol, often forgotten but so key to that Spanish side at its best.

[compelling and rich]

Spain's best defender at their peak was their only actual defender who wanted to defend. Puyol, often forgotten but so key to that Spanish side at its best.

yeah agreed, proper no nonsense defender and barca have severely missed him

[Liam]

Spain's best defender at their peak was their only actual defender who wanted to defend. Puyol, often forgotten but so key to that Spanish side at its best.

And the Barca sides at that. Wonderful defender.

[Liam]

Anyway very happy Shaw is arriving tomorrow I believe. Step in the right direction so far this summer. I've heard a bid for Hummels will go in after the world cup but I would be amazed if he came. Suppose Martins Indi will be the back up for him.

Vidal seems to be Van Gaals top midfield option this summer and he does seem available, but there is no way Real or Barca won't be sniffing about him and they'll definitely get him over us. Strootman I expect in Jan once fit, he's tailor made for Utd. One of the Bender brother's could be a decent signing until he comes, or maybe Khedira if Real are willing for him to go.

[GSC]

30m for Shaw, worlds gone mad.

I wouldn't really take Costas Spain performances as representative. Like Ronaldo, he hasn't shaken off his injury and hes a much better fit for Mourinho.

[westisbest]

I dont normally comment on other teams players.

But £30m for Shaw is car azy.

That much for an 18 year old.

[CFCNick]

I dont normally comment on other teams players.

But £30m for Shaw is car azy.

That much for an 18 year old.

PSG did the same thing last year. But, you know it's ok because United do things the "right" way.

[GSC]

Marquinhos is better than Shaw though.

[GSC]

Ultimately, if I'm paying 30m for a FB, he better be Ashley Cole mk2.

[The Special Juan]

The main issue be whether he crumbles under the pressure of the £30m move. He's better than Evra so I'm not concerned about whether he's good enough.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I dont normally comment on other teams players.

But £30m for Shaw is car azy.

That much for an 18 year old.

PSG did the same thing last year. But, you know it's ok because United do things the "right" way.

Remind me where are money comes from?

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