French Open discussion thread

by Danny_1982 Thu 5 Jun - 8:31

Born Slippy wrote:Murray is surely going to go all out attack in the SF. I can't see him beating Nadal who is starting to look close to his peak form. However, if he can give him a tough match that will be very encouraging for Wimbledon.

Yep, it'll be all guns blazing I imagine. Going after every return he can and trying to end points quickly. It'll be fun to watch, but if you offered me a 4 set defeat for Muzza now I'd bite your hand off.

by HM Murdock Thu 5 Jun - 8:39

Quote from Ferrer:

"I should perhaps apologize for all those who watched me play. Rafael started playing a lot better, making fewer mistakes, and then it's like I threw in the towel. I don't usually do this, but I thought, 'I'm not going to be able to come back into the match. I thought, No, no, not against Rafa."

by Guest Thu 5 Jun - 8:40

I think Andy will go out all aggressively against Nadal. He has to mix it up though because if he coughs up the errors, Nadal will jump all over him.

It's only Djokovic who can soak up the Nadal pressure on clay.

Either way Andy would've chewed your hand off if you had offered him a SF at the start.

by Guest Thu 5 Jun - 8:42

HM Murdoch wrote:Quote from Ferrer:

"I should perhaps apologize for all those who watched me play. Rafael started playing a lot better, making fewer mistakes, and then it's like I threw in the towel. I don't usually do this, but I thought, 'I'm not going to be able to come back into the match. I thought, No, no, not against Rafa."

Interesting.

From what I saw he just kept coughing up errors on his FH and it was frustrating to watch.

I just hope Andy doesn't do the same thing.

by HM Murdock Thu 5 Jun - 8:46

Did Andy actually have a problem with the leg he kept rubbing yesterday, or is it now purely a mannerism? He seemed in discomfort against Kohly too.

by CaledonianCraig Thu 5 Jun - 8:46

Just now I feel it will be a no-lose semi for Andy as far as I am concerned. Even if he loses he goes away with 720 gold-edged points and another slam semi at RG under his belt to further pour scorn on the myth he is useless on clay. I don't even want to contemplate a win as I don't think it will happen but as long as Andy is aggressive and goes down fighting then we can ask for no more than that.

by CaledonianCraig Thu 5 Jun - 8:47

HM Murdoch wrote:Did Andy actually have a problem with the leg he kept rubbing yesterday, or is it now purely a mannerism? He seemed in discomfort against Kohly too.

I'd guess it was just a touch of more cramp as it was against Kohli.

by HM Murdock Thu 5 Jun - 8:49

CaledonianCraig wrote:
HM Murdoch wrote:Did Andy actually have a problem with the leg he kept rubbing yesterday, or is it now purely a mannerism? He seemed in discomfort against Kohly too.

I'd guess it was just a touch of more cramp as it was against Kohli.

That's a concern then. He's a very fit guy, I wouldn't exect him to be cramping sets 3 and 4.

by Guest Thu 5 Jun - 8:51

HM Murdoch wrote:Did Andy actually have a problem with the leg he kept rubbing yesterday, or is it now purely a mannerism? He seemed in discomfort against Kohly too.

Andy looked dead on his feet in set 4. That is a concern.

I thought what was even more remarkable was Santoro thinking Andy at the end of the match looked fresher than Monfils!! Not sure what match he was watching.

by CaledonianCraig Thu 5 Jun - 8:56

HM Murdoch wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
HM Murdoch wrote:Did Andy actually have a problem with the leg he kept rubbing yesterday, or is it now purely a mannerism? He seemed in discomfort against Kohly too.

I'd guess it was just a touch of more cramp as it was against Kohli.
That's a concern then. He's a very fit guy, I wouldn't exect him to be cramping sets 3 and 4.

I am not a fitness expert but have heard talk that being out with back surgery limited the pre-season fitness work he did in Miami and couple that with him not having played a five set match since last Wimbledon he has pushed his fitness to the limit here and so cramp perhaps becomes a problem.

by The Special Juan Thu 5 Jun - 9:54

HM Murdoch wrote:Did Andy actually have a problem with the leg he kept rubbing yesterday, or is it now purely a mannerism? He seemed in discomfort against Kohly too.

I'll go against the grain and say it's a mannerism which only appears when he's losing.

by Jahu Thu 5 Jun - 10:30

Yes, including hitting his legs with racket.

by Guest Thu 5 Jun - 10:38

Anyone fancy Bouchard for the upset today against Screamapova?

by Jahu Thu 5 Jun - 10:46

I hope so, but will be tough for Bouch. Fingers Crossed

by The Special Juan Thu 5 Jun - 11:02

legendkillarV2 wrote:Anyone fancy Bouchard for the upset today against Screamapova?

I do. The way she took Kerber apart was one of the best women's displays I've seen from someone other than Serena in a long time.

by HM Murdock Thu 5 Jun - 11:08

legendkillarV2 wrote:Anyone fancy Bouchard for the upset today against Screamapova?

I just generally quite fancy Bouchard.

by The Special Juan Thu 5 Jun - 11:16

It's very windy today. That'll favour Bouchard as we all know what Sharapova's serve is like...

by kingraf Thu 5 Jun - 11:22

HM Murdoch wrote:
legendkillarV2 wrote:Anyone fancy Bouchard for the upset today against Screamapova?
I just generally quite fancy Bouchard.

She is mighty fine... Nothing like Caroline, though. Or the eternally gorgeous Ivanovic. But she is fit.

by HM Murdock Thu 5 Jun - 11:37

kingraf wrote:
HM Murdoch wrote:
legendkillarV2 wrote:Anyone fancy Bouchard for the upset today against Screamapova?
I just generally quite fancy Bouchard.

She is mighty fine... Nothing like Caroline, though. Or the eternally gorgeous Ivanovic. But she is fit.

And with your relative youth, can think that of Ms Bouchard without any guilt.

Sadly, I'm approaching the age where thinking that of a 20 year old is in the hinterland surrounding creepiness.

But I agree with you quite freely on the 23 year old Caroline and 26 year old Ana.

by HM Murdock Thu 5 Jun - 11:53

Some ridiculous stats from the 6-0 4th set of Rafa v Daveed yesterday:

Rafa had zero unforced errors (very impressive)

Rafa hit 5 winners (in a set he won 6-0?!)

Out of 35 points played, Daveed made 13 unforced errors. Shocking.

by kingraf Thu 5 Jun - 12:13

HM Murdoch wrote:
kingraf wrote:
HM Murdoch wrote:
legendkillarV2 wrote:Anyone fancy Bouchard for the upset today against Screamapova?
I just generally quite fancy Bouchard.

She is mighty fine... Nothing like Caroline, though. Or the eternally gorgeous Ivanovic. But she is fit.
And with your relative youth, can think that of Ms Bouchard without any guilt.

Sadly, I'm approaching the age where thinking that of a 20 year old is in the hinterland surrounding creepiness.

But I agree with you quite freely on the 23 year old Caroline and 26 year old Ana.

Like the creepy 30-year old who lives in my apartment block always says, "The age of consent is a fluid idea."

by Guest Thu 5 Jun - 12:38

HM Murdoch wrote:Some ridiculous stats from the 6-0 4th set of Rafa v Daveed yesterday:

Rafa had zero unforced errors (very impressive)

Rafa hit 5 winners (in a set he won 6-0?!)

Out of 35 points played, Daveed made 13 unforced errors. Shocking.

I think when Rafa is able to baton down the hatches (especially on clay) it is nigh on impossible to hit through the guy.

As fit as Daveed it is just amazing how much effort he must've put into winning that first set!!

I just hope Andy doesn't make the same mistake tomorrow!

by **laverfan** Thu 5 Jun - 12:45

kingraf wrote:
HM Murdoch wrote:
kingraf wrote:
HM Murdoch wrote:
legendkillarV2 wrote:Anyone fancy Bouchard for the upset today against Screamapova?
I just generally quite fancy Bouchard.

She is mighty fine... Nothing like Caroline, though. Or the eternally gorgeous Ivanovic. But she is fit.
And with your relative youth, can think that of Ms Bouchard without any guilt.

Sadly, I'm approaching the age where thinking that of a 20 year old is in the hinterland surrounding creepiness.

But I agree with you quite freely on the 23 year old Caroline and 26 year old Ana.

Like the creepy 30-year old who lives in my apartment block always says, "The age of consent is a fluid idea."

The Men who stare at GOATs laughing

by sirfredperry Thu 5 Jun - 13:02

I think more rubbish gets written (not necessarily by those on this board) about Monfils than practically any other player.
This is a guy with so many natural gifts. But really his record is VERY ordinary. He took the other three junior GS titles when Andy won the junior USO in 04 and seemed set for a glittering career.
But he's won just FOUR titles (Andy has 28) and his GS record is patchy. There's hardly been any weeks in the top 10 and all this talk about his athleticism is not winning him tennis matches and, besides, he's always getting injured.

by kingraf Thu 5 Jun - 13:18

sirfredperry wrote:I think more rubbish gets written (not necessarily by those on this board) about Monfils than practically any other player.
This is a guy with so many natural gifts. But really his record is VERY ordinary. He took the other three junior GS titles when Andy won the junior USO in 04 and seemed set for a glittering career.
But he's won just FOUR titles (Andy has 28) and his GS record is patchy. There's hardly been any weeks in the top 10 and all this talk about his athleticism is not winning him tennis matches and, besides, he's always getting injured.

Being athletically gifted in a skill sport can be a curse, especially, if, like Monfils, yours comes out early. 6'4, arms that go on for days, serious leg power, easy power on both wings - it's difficult to think too many teenagers are going to live with that. The comprehensiveness of his gifts unfortunately lead to some nasty habits.

by kingraf Thu 5 Jun - 13:23

Still as a fan not particularly vested in his success - his win/loss ratio doesn't bother me, long as he keeps the highlight reel on.
http://70.img.v4.skyrock.net/700/gael-monfils-22/pics/1086454306_small.jpg

by kingraf Thu 5 Jun - 13:24

Still as a fan not particularly vested in his success - his win/loss ratio doesn't bother me, long as he keeps the highlight reel on.
http://70.img.v4.skyrock.net/700/gael-monfils-22/pics/1086454306_small.jpg

by kemet Thu 5 Jun - 13:25

I just realized Rafael Nadal has only lost one best-of-five set clay court tennis match in the last nine years. This is quite an impressive statistic. There are those who have come close, but I really cannot see past a ninth Roland Garros crown for Rafa come Sunday.

Even at his current reduced powers, Rafa is way too formidable and will grind anyone (including Novak) down on the terre battue.

by super_realist Thu 5 Jun - 13:33

I hope not, I despise that worst of all celebrations. The trophy bite.

by Guest Thu 5 Jun - 14:06

I wonder what odds you can get on a Murray victory tomorrow. I recall Soderling being 1000/1......

by The Special Juan Thu 5 Jun - 14:10

legendkillarV2 wrote:I wonder what odds you can get on a Murray victory tomorrow. I recall Soderling being 1000/1......

I've checked. A paltry 5/1!

by Guest Thu 5 Jun - 14:12

The Special Juan wrote:
legendkillarV2 wrote:I wonder what odds you can get on a Murray victory tomorrow. I recall Soderling being 1000/1......

I've checked. A paltry 5/1!

5/1??????

Pathetic!

by bogbrush Thu 5 Jun - 14:19

kemet wrote:I just realized Rafael Nadal has only lost one best-of-five set clay court tennis match in the last nine years. This is quite an impressive statistic. There are those who have come close, but I really cannot see past a ninth Roland Garros crown for Rafa come Sunday.

Even at his current reduced powers, Rafa is way too formidable and will grind anyone (including Novak) down on the terre battue.

Nadal's only hope is it to be baking hot so he can kick his forehand really high. A dank day will see a straight sets win for Djokovic.

by Guest Thu 5 Jun - 14:22

Bouchy breaks!!!

by The Special Juan Thu 5 Jun - 14:24

bogbrush wrote:
kemet wrote:I just realized Rafael Nadal has only lost one best-of-five set clay court tennis match in the last nine years. This is quite an impressive statistic. There are those who have come close, but I really cannot see past a ninth Roland Garros crown for Rafa come Sunday.

Even at his current reduced powers, Rafa is way too formidable and will grind anyone (including Novak) down on the terre battue.
Nadal's only hope is it to be baking hot so he can kick his forehand really high. A dank day will see a straight sets win for Djokovic.

It should be. 30 degrees C + on the Saturday.

by Guest Thu 5 Jun - 14:36

The Special Juan wrote:
bogbrush wrote:
kemet wrote:I just realized Rafael Nadal has only lost one best-of-five set clay court tennis match in the last nine years. This is quite an impressive statistic. There are those who have come close, but I really cannot see past a ninth Roland Garros crown for Rafa come Sunday.

Even at his current reduced powers, Rafa is way too formidable and will grind anyone (including Novak) down on the terre battue.
Nadal's only hope is it to be baking hot so he can kick his forehand really high. A dank day will see a straight sets win for Djokovic.

It should be. 30 degrees C + on the Saturday.

Ah but what is the forecast for Sunday? Wink

by Gerry SA Thu 5 Jun - 14:45

legendkillarV2 wrote:
The Special Juan wrote:
bogbrush wrote:
kemet wrote:I just realized Rafael Nadal has only lost one best-of-five set clay court tennis match in the last nine years. This is quite an impressive statistic. There are those who have come close, but I really cannot see past a ninth Roland Garros crown for Rafa come Sunday.

Even at his current reduced powers, Rafa is way too formidable and will grind anyone (including Novak) down on the terre battue.
Nadal's only hope is it to be baking hot so he can kick his forehand really high. A dank day will see a straight sets win for Djokovic.

It should be. 30 degrees C + on the Saturday.

Ah but what is the forecast for Sunday?

25deg but chance of thunder storm. 74% humidity.

by Guest Thu 5 Jun - 14:48

Great conditions for Murray Wink

by The Special Juan Thu 5 Jun - 14:49

Yeah, a good chance of Djokovic being hit by lightning!!

by Gerry SA Thu 5 Jun - 14:51

When does the men's final start?

As the threat of showers is minimal between 2pm-6pm

by HM Murdock Thu 5 Jun - 14:54

bogbrush wrote:
kemet wrote:I just realized Rafael Nadal has only lost one best-of-five set clay court tennis match in the last nine years. This is quite an impressive statistic. There are those who have come close, but I really cannot see past a ninth Roland Garros crown for Rafa come Sunday.

Even at his current reduced powers, Rafa is way too formidable and will grind anyone (including Novak) down on the terre battue.
Nadal's only hope is it to be baking hot so he can kick his forehand really high. A dank day will see a straight sets win for Djokovic.

There's an important factor you are overlooking: Novak generally ar$es up the big moments at slams!

Forecast for Paris on Sunday is 24 degrees, AM clouds, PM sun. Probably not a huge advantage for either player, should they be the two who make it.

by HM Murdock Thu 5 Jun - 14:55

Gerry SA wrote:When does the men's final start?

As the threat of showers is minimal between 2pm-6pm

Rafa and Novak should be able to squeeze maybe two sets in then.

by Guest Thu 5 Jun - 14:56

HM Murdoch wrote:
bogbrush wrote:
kemet wrote:I just realized Rafael Nadal has only lost one best-of-five set clay court tennis match in the last nine years. This is quite an impressive statistic. There are those who have come close, but I really cannot see past a ninth Roland Garros crown for Rafa come Sunday.

Even at his current reduced powers, Rafa is way too formidable and will grind anyone (including Novak) down on the terre battue.
Nadal's only hope is it to be baking hot so he can kick his forehand really high. A dank day will see a straight sets win for Djokovic.
There's an important factor you are overlooking: Novak generally ar$es up the big moments at slams!

Forecast for Paris on Sunday is 24 degrees, AM clouds, PM sun. Probably not a huge advantage for either player, should they be the two who make it.

Djokovic should be fine.

I just hope it isn't breezey!

by Gerry SA Thu 5 Jun - 14:58

HM Murdoch wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:When does the men's final start?

As the threat of showers is minimal between 2pm-6pm
Rafa and Novak should be able to squeeze maybe two sets in then.

I was thinking maybe enough time to complete one set...epic 121 point TB...

by bogbrush Thu 5 Jun - 15:04

Bouchard might just be the hottest girl on the tour.

by Guest Thu 5 Jun - 15:07

Might be?

Even hotter than Stosur? Headscratch

by kingraf Thu 5 Jun - 15:12

HM Murdoch wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:When does the men's final start?

As the threat of showers is minimal between 2pm-6pm
Rafa and Novak should be able to squeeze maybe two sets in then.

You've obviously not budgeted for the 4000 shot rally which opens proceedings

by kingraf Thu 5 Jun - 15:16

Hotness is subjective. She's fit, for sure, but I would sell my godchild for a crack at Ivanovic... Well circa 2008 Ana in any case. Got a soft spot for Li Na as well. Serious thighs on her.

by Guest Thu 5 Jun - 15:17

I have to admit I would've sold my house and family for a shot at Kournikova in her pre Enrique years!

by Gerry SA Thu 5 Jun - 15:22

Gisela Dulko was a beauty...shame Mrs Gerry didn't like me pointing that out... censored

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