2006 Friendly Part 2: England vs Uruguay

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England unchanged, Uruguay make 5 changes with Suarez in.

quinsforever wrote:that was when he got rooney sent off. bit different.

The media never need a reason to do anything. They just do what they want and they will start a bangwagon regardless because it sells.

Its a shoite state of affairs in England if a supposedly unfit Suarez can score two goals...

Uruguay without Suarez and Cavani is just a nice brick wall though. England could have done better.
Bar a miracle (Italy winning all their games and England putting 5 towards costa rica) England are out.

Man **** Chiles

Never mind Rooney scored his World Cup goal!!!!!

We all knew what Suarez would do, so why didn't the England team?

i think the media are always going to be a bit circumspect when it comes to merseyside, eh? having messed things up there before. so cant see a suarez witchhunt. at all. would bet large on that.

Spain and England both lose then. In successive days.

Northern Ireland beat them both in successive years. Oh for those heady days. The country felt better then. We're not Brazil.....

Anyway, time for England to clear the old guard out. Should still qualify for the Euros, and take it from there.

Another rubbish ball by Gerrard!

Rooney scored...apart from that I don't think he did that well. Saw him give away the ball plenty of times...made few poor passes...had 3 good opportunities scored 1..

Balotelli had one scored one Saturday
Suarez had two scored two tonight

Thought Roy got it wrong tactically tonight...we looked average first half after compensating Sterling for Rooney...Welbeck again offered us nothing going forward...

Once again we will be subjected to 'oh we were close'...'oh we played well and on another night it could have been different'...however it wasn't it a different night it was tonight and once again we came up short.

Costa Rica will beat us in the 3rd game as well I reckon!

I don't care if we don't go through now, to be honest I never expected us too anyway and said as much well before the tournament started. What I want to see now is if Roy has the b**ls to drop the big players in the final game.


Thats the team I want to see against Costa Rica but I bet he plays exactly the same one again!!

England fans were right not to be too excited before the tournament.

Roy must go. End of. I'm not enduring this style & holding back the next generation, while he plays negative tactics, playing people out of position & brown nosing Rooney.

Please Resign Roy Hodgson. Woeful results that are inequesable!

If Roy says we played very well I am going to punch him in the face through my tv screen!

Sterling was shockingly bad but you drop Rooney?

Should have took Terry, I don't like the guy but he would have organised the defence better.

Nobody played particularly well. Gerrard was awful. Looked out of legs 2 years ago

Rooney was shockingly bad in the first game but Roy played him the next game in the exact role Sterling had shone in.....

John wrote:Roy must go. End of. I'm not enduring this style & holding back the next generation, while he plays negative tactics, playing people out of position & brown nosing Rooney.

Please Resign Roy Hodgson. Woeful results that are inequesable!

Roy perhaps made some mistakes but he's not the real problem.

The real problem is that we have average players.

We've seen the difference a true world class player can make tonight.

The players on the pitch bear the brunt of the responsibility.

Hibbz wrote:Availed myself of the 11/5 on Italy the other night/morning and 11/4 to Uruguay is too big as well. Fancy a few bookings/ a sending off to at over 2's.

Like taking candy from a baby.

owen10ozzy wrote:Another rubbish ball by Gerrard!

Rooney scored...apart from that I don't think he did that well. Saw him give away the ball plenty of times...made few poor passes...had 3 good opportunities scored 1..

Balotelli had one scored one Saturday
Suarez had two scored two tonight

Thought Roy got it wrong tactically tonight...we looked average first half after compensating Sterling for Rooney...Welbeck again offered us nothing going forward...

Once again we will be subjected to 'oh we were close'...'oh we played well and on another night it could have been different'...however it wasn't it a different night it was tonight and once again we came up short.

Costa Rica will beat us in the 3rd game as well I reckon!

I don't care if we don't go through now, to be honest I never expected us too anyway and said as much well before the tournament started. What I want to see now is if Roy has the b**ls to drop the big players in the final game.

Hart

Johnson (again no one else) Cahill Jags Baines

Henderson

Wilshere/Barkley

Sterling Lallana Oxlade

Sturridge.

Thats the team I want to see against Costa Rica but I bet he plays exactly the same one again!!

Henderson was poor. Sterling not great. Gerard can't run, hasn't been able to run for at least two seasons. Baines was caught out again.

Seems Erikson's "Golden Generation" were in fact OVERACHIEVERS... Oh for the halcyon days.

emancipator wrote:The players on the pitch bear the brunt of the responsibility.

That may be but they will come home and get treated like world class players and get paid wages to match.

They are average at best and it's time the press/fans and clubs started treating/ paying them as such.

Gerrard has just come off one of his best ever seasons, hardly past it. He's had a bad tournament but Hodgson has managed him awfully, why bother using the Henderson/Gerrard partnership if you aren't going to play them in anything like the positions they play for their club. Not sure the goal can be really blamed on him, think centre backs have to try and win those balls and they completely lost Suarez.

Not sure why people are calling for Roy Hodgson to be sacked, what is the alternative? Rooney isn't going to be dropped by his replacement either, the pundits opinion during this World Cup of overwhelmingly in favour of Rooney shows to me that the people inside football just can't accept that the player Rooney was isn't even close to this one.

Bad choice to put Rooney in the middle, even though lost against Italy the team played so well that it would have made sense to stick to the same system. Think Hodgson succumbed to media pressure.

Just not good enough tonight, players didn't turn up, sub's were Meh at best, thought Rooney was our best attacking player but he was average at best, Sturridge nowhere to be seen, Sterling a shell of himself, Gerrard gone past it. Henderson did alright.

Defence barring Cahill just isn't up to standard.

I would hold to calls for Roy's head personally, but i see both sides of the argument

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:4-2-4 is a stupid formation when our midfielders aren't connecting defense to attack. Particularly when we're so ponderous on the ball.

Agree. We got outnumbered in both games in midfield. Especially when Henderson has to be Gerrard's 'legs' too. We should have been/ needed to go three in midfield whether that had been Gerrard, Henderson and Barkley or whoever.

John wrote:Please Resign Roy Hodgson.

To be replaced with?

Henderson wasn't poor...did his job..retained the ball...kept it moving when he got it. Gerrard did not...again too many hollywood passes and his ability to defend was shown up..never closed the ball down.

Sterling wasn't great but he ran the channel well and he won plenty of free kicks in dangerous areas. If anything he was guilty of trying to make something happen which given how poor we were for the first 60 minutes you can't blame him.

Baines keeps playing as a left back with no cover in front of him; if anything he is a scapegoat in this tournament. He was also constantly causing problems down Uruguays left in the 2nd half.

Chiles is such a pathetic Tinkywinky.

For god's sake at least try to be magnanimous in defeat. Such a sore loser.

The most frustrating thing about Baines is that he would get in fantastic positions to cross or go down the line and then would just pass inside.

Lowlandbrit wrote:

John wrote:Please Resign Roy Hodgson.

To be replaced with?

Fergie.

Would Terry and Cole have made a difference?......I think yes.

To be fair Crimey...a lot of the time there was no one in the box to cross to. Our midfielders are so late to arrive it's almost criminal! That's the problem when we don't have CM linking the play and controlling the game from that position allowing support to catch up on the counter.

I think Terry's lack of pace would have been exposed plus not sure his ego in the dressing room is a good thing...and I don't think Cole would have done better.

The problem isn't so much the left back as the coverage/help he is receiving in front of him.

Lowlandbrit wrote:

John wrote:Please Resign Roy Hodgson.

To be replaced with?

who cares. time for a breath of fresh air. woy is a journeyman.

Lowlandbrit wrote:

John wrote:Please Resign Roy Hodgson.

To be replaced with?

I don't care. Get that old fart out of the job. Shambolic qualifying campaign, struggled to beat Ukraine, Montenegro or Poland away. Thrashed by Germany B & Chile. Couldn't beat Honduras, Ecuador, Italy & Uruguay. Our last away win was against San Marino. There is no progress, his tactics, player positioning & results are shocking. Get him out ASAP. There will be managers out there, with the ability to take this new generation forward, Roy is simply not that man. Yeah, I accept our players aren't great but those results are unacceptable.

Crimey wrote:The most frustrating thing about Baines is that he would get in fantastic positions to cross or go down the line and then would just pass inside.

i agree with that. was really annoying. didnt look but was there no-one attacking the near post?

Football has been a right c*nt to me this season

And Suarez, well I'm pretty sure he averages near a hat trick every game against Nodge/England ;

owen10ozzy wrote:Henderson wasn't poor...did his job..retained the ball...kept it moving when he got it. Gerrard did not...again too many hollywood passes and his ability to defend was shown up..never closed the ball down.

Sterling wasn't great but he ran the channel well and he won plenty of free kicks in dangerous areas. If anything he was guilty of trying to make something happen which given how poor we were for the first 60 minutes you can't blame him.

Baines keeps playing as a left back with no cover in front of him; if anything he is a scapegoat in this tournament. He was also constantly causing problems down Uruguays left in the 2nd half.

Henderson was run off the park and contributed nothing. Uruguay bossed midfield.

Brains primary job is to defend and he didn't follow Suarez's run. One - nil.

owen10ozzy wrote:I think Terry's lack of pace would have been exposed plus not sure his ego in the dressing room is a good thing...and I don't think Cole would have done better.

The problem isn't so much the left back as the coverage/help he is receiving in front of him.

players would probably been a bit worried about Terry having a pop at their wives...unnecessary distraction...

Henderson was being used totally wrong, he's not a holding midfielder at all. What he has been good at for Liverpool all year is being right in the middle of things and running forward into the space left by the forwards dropping off.

`Suarez must prove greatness` - said by Roy last week

Well Roy, you've just witnessed it.   

owen10ozzy wrote:I think Terry's lack of pace would have been exposed plus not sure his ego in the dressing room is a good thing...and I don't think Cole would have done better.

The problem isn't so much the left back as the coverage/help he is receiving in front of him.

Cole would have followed the runs. Blaine's at fault tonight and in the last game.

Experience is invaluable. Terry would have marshaled the defense and taken pressure off the midfield.

I really don't know what Daniel Sturridge is doing? The centre forward should be testing the centre backs, trying to get in behind them, trying to force them back towards their goal to try and create space for the likes of Wayne Rooney. Far too often Sturridge was deep or wide and we had not target in the six yard box.

Sturridge is not a out-and-out centre forward for me. He may have been the top English scorer in the Premier League for a club that scored loads of goals but he wasn't the top goal scorer at his club.

quinsforever wrote:

Lowlandbrit wrote:

John wrote:Please Resign Roy Hodgson.

To be replaced with?

who cares. time for a breath of fresh air. woy is a journeyman.

Sorry mate but am not moving to England again tks for the offer though. England has good enough players but they lack cohesion in midfield so sometimes you had the likes of sturridge who were getting the ball too close to their midfield as opposed to drawing defenders in , creating space and making runs.

That's two England games I have called spot on now. Not bad for someone who talks garbage. Clearly my negativity (or as I like to call it willingness to accept our mistakes) give's me the ability to be rather insightful with my predictions.

Problem I have with Hodgson is he seems to see things so differently. He thinks we played well for 40 minutes of the first based on that?

We were shoddy in the first could have been 2 or 3 one down...we came out sluggish in the 2nd (surely his job to get the boys up for it?) and could have conceded 2 early on. Then we got a foothold mainly because a) we had to push for it b) because Uruguay started to sit deeper.

Dixon is spot on there....Lallana should have been used more. The guy showed all year that he has technical ability and vision far beyond anything we have in the team and yet he got 30 minutes action. He was arguably the best English player in the Premiership last season..

On one hand people are calling for Rooney and Gerrard to be left behind then wanting a defender who was shown up at the last world cup and a player who features less than 10 times for his club brought in?! Puzzling!

What are people watching?! Sturridge wasn't running at players because he wasn't getting the ball...the first 60 minutes saw him being isolated up top or having to drop deeper to try and influence play. As soon as England got on the ball and attacked more he was an immediate threat.

It has been announced that this years shirt sponsor for ENGLAND will be TAMPAX. A spokesman said, " To sponsor a load of Kumquat going through a bad period is exactly what our company is all about.

  

Also Sturridge could very well have been the top scorer for Liverpool if it wasn't for injuries. 21 goals in 29 games is not bad.

Hindsights always a wonderful thing in these situations but have to say it was a mistake not have Cole and Terry back. I wouldnt wipe my ass with that defence. Terry as a leader which we badly needed. Cole is just miles better than Baines. Even with a misfiring team with those two at the back we could have sneaked it.

Rooney was crap despite his goal and playing in his best position. Gerrard rubbish. Cant get into a game even against a mediocre midfield. Generally outmuscled and second best.

The media has far too much influence in English football. Usually the teams biggest enemy going into any tournament.

Not overly optimistic for this teams future either. They are young. Whoop de doo. Looks same old to me. Hodgson didnt offer any inspiration either. Lets be honest also, they werent great opposition tonight other than Suarez (half fit) and its hardly a vintage Italian side.

Costa Rica will fancy 3 points and qualification against us.

Anyhow that's me done for the night; said my piece. We fell in line with what I said we'd do in this tournament and it's gone as I predicted.

Encouraging signs...young players there ready to step up but same mistakes being made;

Tactically naive; we don't press team's enough thus allow them to control games and pick out killer passes..see Italy 2nd goal and tonights first

We have a culture of big players outstaying their welcome no matter there form - see Rooney

We have keep employing managers who seem to insist on playing people away from their strongest positions ...or compensate players & their natural positions to accommodate others.

I was never in favour of 2 holding midfielders and Roy has got that massively wrong this tournament. Don't think his tactics were the best and think some players who should have featured didn't get a good enough look in.

Biggest problem for England for me hBs been a lack of a CM to impose themselves upon the game. Nobody made themselves available or took responsibility.

I'd give Roy another tournament mind. Easy to get caught up in WC hysteria but this is a squad in transition.