Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[McLaren]

First topic message reminder :

Not had that much fun watching football for a while.

Robben taken the p*1ss out the spanish keeper and central defenders was literally hilarious.

[super_realist]

German keeper was up there for me as best player

[GunsGerms]

Rooney and Ronaldo scoup the award for the most over rated players at the WC.

[beninho]

James Rodrigues looked very good, though he is not some uncut diamond, he is a 40million pound player. Goal of the world cup was his chest and volley, just over Tim Cahills volley.

[beninho]

I do not think Rooney has been overrated at the world cup at all, i think everyone is in agreement his performances where at best ok.

[Davie]

Interesting quotes from Mourinho about Messi

"Messi sacrificed himself for the team. He wanted to win, he didn't wanted to be topscorer or mvp, he wanted to make history"

"Messi played in zones that are not his. He had to play so low that he had to cross 2-3 lines. Always had 2-3 players on him"

"Messi was trying to create something out of nothing for his team. His assist to Di Maria was for example brilliant"

"If Messi wanted to be the phenomenon we all know he is, he'd just have played up front, close to Higuain, waiting for a chance"

"All my respect to Messi because he played for his team and this can't be said of all players at this world cup"

[GunsGerms]

I do not think Rooney has been overrated at the world cup at all, i think everyone is in agreement his performances where at best ok.

Yet he is still valued at about around the same price as Rodriguez. Come to think of it Chelsea got £40m for David Luiz. Maybe the premiership isnt that good afterall?

[pedro]

Davie, I'm not sure what Mourinho is referring to? How can you sacrify yourself when you've been one of the laziest players in the tournament? Messi is not a striker, yet for instance team mate Higuain (striker) did 30% more kms than Messi. In fact only a handful of players in the entire tournament completed fewer kms than Messi.

In comparison Robben completed 50% more kms and ran twice as many kms with opponents and twice as many sprints as Messi.

[Diggers]

Must admit his starting position didn't look much different from me to his Barca one, he just wasn't moving around much, either back or forward, as he does for them. They would have been better off playing him high as a centre forward if he really was knacked in the last two games and let him try and get a few more chances as his finishing is so good.

[navyblueshorts]

German keeper was up there for me as best player

Good shout on Neuer I reckon. Huge presence and one of the soundest keepers out there. Showed how good he is reading the game as well when acting as essentially a sweeper.

Basically, I think we're saying there wasn't on obvious standout individual like a Maradona in '86 and, maybe, '90 etc.

I'd have liked Colombia to have gone further to see what Rodriguez could have done vs. Germany or Argentina but there you go. A better referee in their match vs. Brazil would have helped that for a start - kicked into next week all game by Fernandinho and the ref gave nothing at all.

[beninho]

He drops deep for Barca, but that frees up space for players with pace, such as Alexis and Pedro, playing with Higuain and Aguero did not have the same effect.

[beninho]

Jack WIlshire smoking a fag...why all the fuss.

[Diggers]

Well Khan won it in 2002 so there is a precedent for German keepers winning the thing.

[pedro]

Neuer was outstanding, but I think it makes sense to have a separate goalie award.

[GunsGerms]

German keeper was up there for me as best player

Good shout on Neuer I reckon. Huge presence and one of the soundest keepers out there. Showed how good he is reading the game as well when acting as essentially a sweeper.

Basically, I think we're saying there wasn't on obvious standout individual like a Maradona in '86 and, maybe, '90 etc.

I'd have liked Colombia to have gone further to see what Rodriguez could have done vs. Germany or Argentina but there you go. A better referee in their match vs. Brazil would have helped that for a start - kicked into next week all game by Fernandinho and the ref gave nothing at all.

Yep and then Neymar gets injured and they launch an investigation into it. Ridiculous. Colombia were tactically a little naive but they were hacked out of it all game and the referee encouraged it. They didnt have much of a hope even if they were unquestionably the better side.

[GunsGerms]

Neuer was outstanding, but I think it makes sense to have a separate goalie award.

I disagree. I think Navas for Costa Rica was better. Neuer went further but Navas conceded less goals in the group stages and KO stages and they had a pretty difficult group too.

For me Navas was outstanding.

[Diggers]

Neuer was outstanding, but I think it makes sense to have a separate goalie award.

I disagree. I think Navas for Costa Rica was better. Neuer went further but Navas conceded less goals in the group stages and KO stages and they had a pretty difficult group too.

For me Navas was outstanding.

To be fair Romero only conceded one in the knockout stages so he would be in the mix as well, he looked very good. Id still pick Neuer out of any of them though, he was like an extra leader in the team, you'd feel brilliant playing in a team when you knew he was in goal.

[beninho]

The problem with picking a goalkeeper is that it takes away the good play of the defence in front of him. Would Nauer have been as impressive without Hummels and Boateng in front of him, WOuld Navas get the plaudits if the manager had not drilled the defence and played 5 at the back for security. Romero if Mascherano was not patrolling in front of the defenders. When it comes to goalies, Ochoa stands out, as he made crucial saves against Mexico and the Hollands. NAuer did not have a save to make in the Final nor the semi, maybe not even the quarter. When Tim Howard made loads against Belgium. That one performance was better then almost all the others.

[super_realist]

Nauer made a couple of first rate saves against Brazil. You probably forgot them as Brazil were getting pumped, but every attack Brazil had, bar their goal he made the crucial save.

[Diggers]

A good keeper organises his defence, that's his first job. Look at the Brazil guy, did nothing when it all started going wrong, no screaming or organising, just looked forlorn.
Look at Nauers reaction to Brazil scoring at then end, he went ballistic even though it was irrelevant. That's why he's so good.

[beninho]

Nauer is probably the best Keeper in the world at present. He makes the big saves when he needs to. I just dont think he was the most important player in the Germany Team. In fact the most important fact was they played as a Team. No stand outs and no superstars. Though i am sure they are all superstars in Germany. I read Schweini was being slated because he was part of the failure generation before the world cup.

[beninho]

Joachim Loew had to be polite, an average managerial career before he was appointed manager, only helped by being Jurgens assistant. Dread to think what the uproar would be if England appointed someone with as poor a record.

[westisbest]

Tim Howard wasn't to bad as far as keepers go.

Thought Robben was quality.

[super_realist]

Joachim Loew had to be polite, an average managerial career before he was appointed manager, only helped by being Jurgens assistant. Dread to think what the uproar would be if England appointed someone with as poor a record.

[pedro]

Meulensteen is next.

[Davie]

Tim Howard is actually a good shout for the Golden Gloves .. but the 'keeper of the tournament winners obviously has a big advantage in that market

[kwinigolfer]

wtf?
Ukranian separatists shooting down airliners?
Presumably with Russian weapons.
Something's going to give here, surely?
Can't be having that and about time Putin was told.

[incontinentia]

Malaysia airlines stock price must be gone through the floor.

[pedro]

I say send the Germans back to Ukraine. They sure knew how to deal with that place! This is an outrage.

[pedro]

Rather unfortunate name of the crash site: Krasni Luch

[Diggers]

Barkley to City rumours, don't go Ross! City have already ruined one promising young Everton midfielder.

[GunsGerms]

wtf?
Ukranian separatists shooting down airliners?
Presumably with Russian weapons.
Something's going to give here, surely?
Can't be having that and about time Putin was told.

No one really knows at this point who shot the plane down and its possible we will never know. Both sides will inevitably blame eachother.

[Diggers]

wtf?
Ukranian separatists shooting down airliners?
Presumably with Russian weapons.
Something's going to give here, surely?
Can't be having that and about time Putin was told.

No one really knows at this point who shot the plane down and its possible we will never know. Both sides will inevitably blame eachother.

Begs the question why was the airspace open for commercial use when planes are being shot down there?
Seems the theory was its easy to tell a fighter from an airliner, well maybe that was a risky premise to make?

[GunsGerms]

Heat seeking missiles can get diverted from their intended targets can they? Yes Malaysia arlines have a lot to answer for.

[Diggers]

I wasn't talking about the airline, they don't decide what represents safe airspace.

[GunsGerms]

I wasn't talking about the airline, they don't decide what represents safe airspace.

Are you sure about that? Surely they set their own course. If not then who does?

My understanding is that Malaysia airlines or their pilots choose to fly over Ukraine.

[Diggers]

I'm sure that if its declared unsafe they can't use it. That's what I'm suggesting may have been prudent.

[GunsGerms]

I'm sure that if its declared unsafe they can't use it. That's what I'm suggesting may have been prudent.

There have already been a few (non-commercial) planes shot down over that air space. Surely a declaration isnt required to know its unsafe?

[pedro]

GG, that route is the highway btw Europe and SE Asia. Pilots are not to blame for the route. Dozens other flew the same route that day.

[GunsGerms]

GG, that route is the highway btw Europe and SE Asia. Pilots are not to blame for the route. Dozens other flew the same route that day.

Not any more it isnt. How do you know that dozens of other flights flew over there? Just curious.

Heres a comment on the Telegraph website:

The press conference in Malaysia earlier today saw a series of questions about whether Malaysia Airlines should have used that route.

Airlines including Qantas Airways and Air Berlin altered their flight paths months ago to avoid Ukrainian air space after fighting flared up in the region, raising questions about why others did not do the same.

International civil aviation regulators had imposed no restrictions on crossing the area.

But the fact that a handful of companies decided to circumnavigate the disputed territory underlined inconsistencies in airlines' approach to passenger safety.

- Qantas
- Air Berlin
- Asiana Airlines
- Korean Air Lines
- Cathay Pacific
- China Airlines

[pedro]

Go to flightradar24.com

[GunsGerms]

Thanks. Still it seems pretty obvious not to fly over a war zone where planes have already been shot down.

[Roller_Coaster]

Indeed. Effing obvious if you ask me.

Wonder if it was an edict from HQ or whether the pilots can over-ride and log a different route.

[westisbest]

Vey sad.

Young children with their whole lives ahead of them.

[super_realist]

Indeed. Effing obvious if you ask me.

Wonder if it was an edict from HQ or whether the pilots can over-ride and log a different route.

I would assume that there is a flight plan/designated route that would require Air Traffic Control to give the go-ahead in regards to changing the path.

Can't really blame the pilot or the airline for believing a civilian aircraft at 35,000 ft would be OK flying over a country involved mostly in fighting other ground forces.

[Diggers]

This is one pony England cricket team. Pathetic.

[navyblueshorts]

Pathetic indeed. Amazing how far and how fast they've fallen.

[kwinigolfer]

Worse still is the prospect that we don't know how deep the bottom is for faster and farther falling.

Looks like a complete absence of pride and common sense from the experienced core of players and that has infected the entire squad.

Not completely dissimilar to the football team, not to mention most of the English golfers.

[navyblueshorts]

Cook has to go as Captain, if not as a batsmen. If he can't oversee a side that is little better than a bunch of headless chickens, what's he in charge for?

[Diggers]

Cook, Bell, Prior and Stokes need to go. Prior for good, massive props for his contribution but he's done. Others need a rest and Stokes not ready yet.
Broad if fit skipper, if not lets see if Jimmy can skipper a side. Way too soon for Root.
Not sure at all about Plunket, happy enough with Robson and Balance, Id like to see Taylor in the side as well.
Its a mess right now though.

[pedro]

Well for a start Gerrard quit as captain.

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