Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

by McLaren Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:08 pm

First topic message reminder :

Not had that much fun watching football for a while.

Robben taken the p*1ss out the spanish keeper and central defenders was literally hilarious.

by super_realist Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:48 pm

Maybe, but the national anthem seems a pretty pointless thing. Especially one as awful as Flower of Scotland. I'd be red faced having to endure that.

by Bob_the_Job Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:54 pm

Surely you mean blue in the face....with a white X?

I don't mind FoS although to be fair, even though I've heard it countless times at rugby internationals I've no idea what the words are (except for the "to send them homeward to think again" (sic) line)... Jocks and their impenetrable accents and all that.

by beninho Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:55 pm

If soneone chooses to compete for their country then they should sing the national anthem. People are picked to compete but they do not have too. So if the anthem offends them or they have issues with their nationality then I would assume they do not compete for the country.

by beninho Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:58 pm

And thanks to everyone for the congrats! Its going to be a lifestyle change but really looking forward to it. Looks like my golf has peaked at hacker. .and now no hope of getting better..but I will just enjoy whenever I can get out. Score will not matter.

by super_realist Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:01 pm

beninho wrote:If soneone chooses to compete for their country then they should sing the national anthem. People are picked to compete but they do not have too. So if the anthem offends them or they have issues with their nationality then I would assume they do not compete for the country.

A love or whether or not you sing the national anthem has no bearing on your performance or whether you want to play "for your country"
Even representing your country doens't mean you'll play better. Look at England footballers for instance, rubbish.

by beninho Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:11 pm

Obviously the anthem has nothing to do with performance. Singing it or having pride in competing for your country will not make anyobe better. But if you have no pride in playing or competing for your country then why bother doing it in tge first place? Obviously s.r you will not be selected for anything by gb or scotland. But I would assume as you have no love for your country or anthem you would turn down the offer to represent?

by super_realist Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:17 pm

Having pride in playing for your country is not determined by singing the anthem.
Having a love or even pride for your country is not contingent on liking your anthem either

I'm happy enough to be British, doesn't mean I have to sing, like or even pay attention to the anthem.

I wouldn't care if players talked through it or got a book out, because it means nothing to the game at all. If you need an anthem to "get you up" for a game, then that's where the problem is.

As a sportsman you ought to have a competitive edge which exists regardless of whether you are an individual or "representing" a country or playing tiddlywinks. Who you are playing for, shouldn't change that.

by pedro Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:17 pm

Congrats beninho and beninhoinho.

In fact, at the olympics I think you can choose to represent yourself. At least somebody paraded at the olympic flag last time around? Don't know the background or how they qualified though.

by Diggers Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:21 pm

super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:If soneone chooses to compete for their country then they should sing the national anthem. People are picked to compete but they do not have too. So if the anthem offends them or they have issues with their nationality then I would assume they do not compete for the country.

A love or whether or not you sing the national anthem has no bearing on your performance or whether you want to play "for your country"
Even representing your country doens't mean you'll play better. Look at England footballers for instance, rubbish.

The way performances improve at home games, i.e. Olympics, Commonwealths, even for football in 66 and 96, suggests otherwise to me. National pride and support seems to spur on athletes, pretty much all of them say that and clearly they have experienced it and you haven't.
Also you don't have to cry like a baby at an anthem..that equals being a dick as well...but walking off would be just as bad. You just stand there for a minute and if possible smile to thank the people who cheered you on, what else have you got to do that's more important, it's really no big deal.

by Diggers Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:23 pm

pedro wrote:Congrats beninho and beninhoinho.

In fact, at the olympics I think you can choose to represent yourself. At least somebody paraded at the olympic flag last time around? Don't know the background or how they qualified though.

Have to be of no recognised state...maybe Super will be after the yes vote wins!

by pedro Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:25 pm

super you are a bit naive. Maybe in the ideal world. It's called motivation.

I guess it's the same thing in your work place. Suppose you need some motivation for making an extra effort at work - in stead of blogging on golf boards all day? Since you're paid big bucks it shouldn't be like that should it?

by beninho Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:25 pm

Think they represent a special ioc group. If they come from places with no oylimpic committee or war torn and disputed territories. Dont think you can say screw my country ill compete on my own.

by super_realist Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:26 pm

I can see how crowd support spurs them on, that's not in doubt and was never questioned. An anthem though, no, don't see it. Has no bearing on performance.

by super_realist Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:29 pm

pedro wrote:super you are a bit naive. Maybe in the ideal world. It's called motivation.

I guess it's the same thing in your work place. Suppose you need some motivation for making an extra effort at work - in stead of blogging on golf boards all day? Since you're paid big bucks it shouldn't be like that should it?

The whole point is that your motivation isn't determined by whether you sing the anthem or not, players are constantly criticised for standing stoney faced and mute.

Doesn't mean they aren't motivated though. THat's the point I'm making.

Personally I hate singing, doesn't mean I have less inclination to turn in a performance.

by pedro Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:32 pm

Diggers wrote:
pedro wrote:Congrats beninho and beninhoinho.

In fact, at the olympics I think you can choose to represent yourself. At least somebody paraded at the olympic flag last time around? Don't know the background or how they qualified though.

Have to be of no recognised state...maybe Super will be after the yes vote wins!

I guess after you qualify you can renounce your nationality? Otherwise I can't see how you qualify? If IOC recognises non-recognised states, then there would at least be a flag, or?

by beninho Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:32 pm

Someone crying at the anthem before an event looks a dick yes, if he cries after winning gold and the anthem plays I woukd not say he looks like a dick just someone caught up with all the emotion. If someone walked off when the anthem plays after winning a medal he would look like a much bigger dick. Just shows no respect to his competitors or his team mates or even fellow countrymen.

by beninho Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:35 pm

No one is saying an anthem enhances performance. I dont think thats in question. I think ignoring the anthem shows lack of respect and pride in country. Ignore the anthem lose the opportunity to compete for your country and whatever perks it brings.

by super_realist Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:38 pm

What do you mean ignoring it? Are most footballers ignoring it? Half the German team didn't sing. Do they have lack of pride?

by kwinigolfer Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:42 pm

Trouble with the British anthem is that it evokes things (god, monarchy etc) that many millions feel strongly about, and not necessarily in a positive way.
Having said that, it's played relatively sparingly compared to many others, patriotic platitudes being a staple at all American sporting events, often with America the Beautiful thrown in, plus tributes to the "military". Pretty sickening really, especially the "military" bit.

by beninho Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:44 pm

I do not recall the germans at the anthems. Who did not sing? I recall they all stood in line and shoeed respect to the anthem. None chatted to each other or payed no notice to it. They all seemed to be fine with it as far as I recall. Not one ignored it though.

by super_realist Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:49 pm

Precisely, the assertion seems to be that you ought to be singing at the top of your voice or you aren't trying hard enough or don't care about playing for your country
That's nonsense.

by pedro Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:50 pm

super_realist wrote:What do you mean ignoring it? Are most footballers ignoring it? Half the German team didn't sing. Do they have lack of pride?

Half that team have a non-German background. So either they don't know the song or they don't want to offend people like mac.

by super_realist Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:54 pm

Thats a decent anthem actually.

by Davie Thu Jul 31, 2014 3:55 pm

I seem to recall the singing of the German anthem is something that has only been reintroduced in the last few (by few I mean maybe as many as 20?) years.

After the war, the "Deutchland Uber Alles" was considered bad form and singing of the anthem was banned I believe - or maybe just discouraged. Perhaps it was the unification of East and West that reintroduced the words?

I know this as back in the 70s, my local speedway team hosted a challenge match again (West) Germany. The promoter had to get a copy of the anthem on record to play on the evening and apparently had terrors of causing a national incident by playing the wrong anthem! As it turned out the version he had was the instrumental version which was fine. A little off topic I guess but I think it's a nice story anyway

by beninho Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:06 pm

I read something similar about the anthem. Also think it took germans a long tine to start taking pride in their country. Until the 80s it was not the done thing.

by pedro Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:26 pm

"Deutschland uber alles" is the first verse of the original anthem. But today (after the war) only the third verse is used. Originally I think the Allied banned the use of the first verse.

My German friends told me that's it's only during and after the world cup 2006 in Germany where Germans have been proud of using their flag in public and publicly taking pride in being Germans. I think that was also when they started singing the anthem at football games. Before that (if you know what I mean!!) Germans have always been very reluctant waving their flag and all that.

by super_realist Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:30 pm

.............unless its in Poland, Norway, France, Denmark etc

by Diggers Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:45 pm

Sport is the only area I have any kind of nationalist fervour, I always try and get behind our teams or individuals.
Which is why I can't buy into the RC, Team Europe is just a marketing crock quite frankly.

by JAS Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:49 pm

super_realist wrote:Having pride in playing for your country is not determined by singing the anthem.
Having a love or even pride for your country is not contingent on liking your anthem either

I'm happy enough to be British, doesn't mean I have to sing, like or even pay attention to the anthem.

I wouldn't care if players talked through it or got a book out, because it means nothing to the game at all. If you need an anthem to "get you up" for a game, then that's where the problem is.

As a sportsman you ought to have a competitive edge which exists regardless of whether you are an individual or "representing" a country or playing tiddlywinks. Who you are playing for, shouldn't change that.

Quite true, although having said that, it appears that the SFA have taken to getting hotties to sing the anthem. First Amy MacDonald and more recently Nina Nesbitt. Now if one of them turned round & said "Boys you can have me after in the shower if yous win" I'm sure we'd beat the bloody Germans.

by super_realist Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:15 am

Never heard of Nesbitt, but Amy McDonald doesn't do anything for me, horrible accent.

by JAS Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:50 am

super_realist wrote:Never heard of Nesbitt, but Amy McDonald doesn't do anything for me, horrible accent.

Youtube Nina Nesbitt Flower of Scotland... Think Pixie Lott with an Edinburgh accent ;-)

by super_realist Fri Aug 01, 2014 7:43 am

Sorry JAS, I'm happy to have a lot of stuff on my internet search history, but Flower of Scotland isn't one of them. No idea who Pixie Lott is either.

by JAS Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:03 am

Ha ha no need to apologise although I'm not sure how FoS on your search history would in any way adversely affect your life chances, other than your own self perceived credibility.

by super_realist Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:19 am

It's akin to having Susan Boyle or Lorraine Kelly on your search history. Could mean never getting a job with google Laugh

by incontinentia Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:41 am

Has anyone seen this yet? Glasgow hostel owner tears up the book on customer service. Pretty funny!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/a-glasgow-hostel-owner-and-guest-were-locked-in-the-most-hea

by JAS Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:55 am

incontinentia wrote:Has anyone seen this yet? Glasgow hostel owner tears up the book on customer service. Pretty funny!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/a-glasgow-hostel-owner-and-guest-were-locked-in-the-most-hea

Highly amusing Smile

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by **navyblueshorts** Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:00 am

super_realist wrote:Why would anyone hate you for walking out on a crappy needless song?
All that matters is winning the medal, no one except the competitor who wins should give a toss about the anthem.

If you don't get this, no-one can help you. The fact an anthem is a dirge is besides the point. Presumably, you'd be competing for and representing your nation. The anthem is an official representation of your nation, dirge or not.
I don't like God Save The Queen either but it's my national anthem. I might lobby behind the scenes for a change but I wouldn't dream of being disrespectful to it on a podium. As an afterthought, Flower of Scotland is utter pants as well.

beninho wrote:Jerusalem is so much better then god save the queen. Some National anthems are pretty good. The Italian one is superb.

Not really. I'd find the religious connotations pretty unbearable.

Bob_the_Job wrote:Not sure you'd be obliged to, but given that it was your nation who put in place training and support systems, and probably paid for you to be there, it seems churlish to not stand for 2 mins while the anthem plays to recognise that. To walk off would seem to be very selfish and self-centered, and a bit of a stroppy teenager approach - don't you think?

Bingo.

pedro wrote:Congrats beninho and beninhoinho...

Good luck Ben, you'll need it. If I'm brutally honest, I wish I could go back in time and rethink the decision to have kids.

by Diggers Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:20 am

Blimey that is brutal Navy. To be honest probably at least 90% of being a parent to a very young kid is just really boring, the repetition is very tedious, especially when you are knackered. They get way more interesting the older they get IMO, I'm no fan of babies really but they have their moments.
I wouldn't change it though and can only see it getting better, hopefully reasonably quickly as my 2 year old has a serious attitude problem, no idea where she gets it from!

by pedro Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:27 am

JAS wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Has anyone seen this yet? Glasgow hostel owner tears up the book on customer service. Pretty funny!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/a-glasgow-hostel-owner-and-guest-were-locked-in-the-most-hea

Highly amusing )

What's the big deal? Could have been a thread on "606 anything goes", with s_r being Todd and any of us the fat chick.

by GunsGerms Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:39 am

Diggers wrote:Such as Guns, genuine question? That's the problem for me in Glasgow, no local knowledge.
What's Belfast got that's pretty special which means you put up with the rest of the place looking so ugly, which it does on TV.

It obviously has nice parts and bad parts. It is definitely interesting place though. It has a nice new Titanic museum that Ive heard is worth a visit.

The infamous black taxi tour is quite eye opening and really interesting. I dont know anyone hasnt enjoyed that.

There are some interesting castles nearby and game of thrones also filmed near by is bringing in tourism.

I have always enjoyed my visits there. Granted it isnt anything as beautiful as Edinburgh but it is well worth a visit especially if you take some golf in nearby.

The Odessy arena has ice hockey, concerts and sometimes boxing and UFC events I think and Ulster rugby brings in good crowds. I would never go in July obviously but the rest of the year it is definitiely well worth a visit.

by super_realist Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:43 am

Diggers wrote:Blimey that is brutal Navy. To be honest probably at least 90% of being a parent to a very young kid is just really boring, the repetition is very tedious, especially when you are knackered. They get way more interesting the older they get IMO, I'm no fan of babies really but they have their moments.
I wouldn't change it though and can only see it getting better, hopefully reasonably quickly as my 2 year old has a serious attitude problem, no idea where she gets it from!

I'm glad someone has said that being a parent to a baby is boring, what is even more boring is friends children. I've been asked to be "godparent" to a mates kid.
Absolutely no chance am I taking part in a ceremony like that. In fact, I won't even enter a church for anything other than a wedding or a funeral.

by gaelgowfer Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:45 am

Diggers wrote:Blimey that is brutal Navy. To be honest probably at least 90% of being a parent to a very young kid is just really boring, the repetition is very tedious, especially when you are knackered. They get way more interesting the older they get IMO, I'm no fan of babies really but they have their moments.
I wouldn't change it though and can only see it getting better, hopefully reasonably quickly as my 2 year old has a serious attitude problem, no idea where she gets it from!

Indeed. It's pretty special have grown-up kids too.

by Diggers Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:56 am

super_realist wrote:
Diggers wrote:Blimey that is brutal Navy. To be honest probably at least 90% of being a parent to a very young kid is just really boring, the repetition is very tedious, especially when you are knackered. They get way more interesting the older they get IMO, I'm no fan of babies really but they have their moments.
I wouldn't change it though and can only see it getting better, hopefully reasonably quickly as my 2 year old has a serious attitude problem, no idea where she gets it from!

I'm glad someone has said that being a parent to a baby is boring, what is even more boring is friends children. I've been asked to be "godparent" to a mates kid.
Absolutely no chance am I taking part in a ceremony like that. In fact, I won't even enter a church for anything other than a wedding or a funeral.

A wise mover Super, probably best for all parties that you decline any god parenting duties.

by pedro Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:57 am

Friend's kids are usually quite annoying, but less so when you have kids yourself.

What I can't stand though is if parents don't deal with their kids' bad behaviour.

by super_realist Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:59 am

Diggers wrote:
super_realist wrote:
Diggers wrote:Blimey that is brutal Navy. To be honest probably at least 90% of being a parent to a very young kid is just really boring, the repetition is very tedious, especially when you are knackered. They get way more interesting the older they get IMO, I'm no fan of babies really but they have their moments.
I wouldn't change it though and can only see it getting better, hopefully reasonably quickly as my 2 year old has a serious attitude problem, no idea where she gets it from!

I'm glad someone has said that being a parent to a baby is boring, what is even more boring is friends children. I've been asked to be "godparent" to a mates kid.
Absolutely no chance am I taking part in a ceremony like that. In fact, I won't even enter a church for anything other than a wedding or a funeral.

A wise mover Super, probably best for all parties that you decline any god parenting duties.

Indeed, I'd be a rotten god parent. Plus the very name sends a shiver up my spine. I couldn't even endure the ceremony.

by pedro Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:02 am

super_realist wrote:
Diggers wrote:
super_realist wrote:
Diggers wrote:Blimey that is brutal Navy. To be honest probably at least 90% of being a parent to a very young kid is just really boring, the repetition is very tedious, especially when you are knackered. They get way more interesting the older they get IMO, I'm no fan of babies really but they have their moments.
I wouldn't change it though and can only see it getting better, hopefully reasonably quickly as my 2 year old has a serious attitude problem, no idea where she gets it from!

I'm glad someone has said that being a parent to a baby is boring, what is even more boring is friends children. I've been asked to be "godparent" to a mates kid.
Absolutely no chance am I taking part in a ceremony like that. In fact, I won't even enter a church for anything other than a wedding or a funeral.

A wise mover Super, probably best for all parties that you decline any god parenting duties.

Indeed, I'd be a rotten god parent. Plus the very name sends a shiver up my spine. I couldn't even endure the ceremony.

Ha! In fact you pledge to bring up the kid in the Christian faith should anything happen to the parents. I would like to be a fly on the wall should that happen - with full transcript being posted here of course. Laugh

by Diggers Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:04 am

I've got to be honest, unless the real life Super is way more chilled and less outspoken about his religious beliefs, I can't believe any of your best mates had the courage to ask you.

by super_realist Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:09 am

The ironic thing is that the couple involved aren't remotely religious, they claim it's simply "tradition", which is a worse reason for getting a child christened than if you actually are a card carrying indoctrinated bible thumping gullible moron.

It's pointless anyway, but beyond pointless if you don't even believe in the invisible sky zombie.

by Diggers Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:20 am

To be fair super we have our kids god parents but haven't done the service though we will next year due to school reasons.
Our god parents are in our will to take care of the kids should I and my wife die so there is a very serious side to it, nothing to do with God though, just friendship and planning for the absolute worse case scenario.

by super_realist Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:23 am

What do you mean "school reasons"

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