Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[McLaren]

First topic message reminder :

Not had that much fun watching football for a while.

Robben taken the p*1ss out the spanish keeper and central defenders was literally hilarious.

[Diggers]

That's the problem though, how do you blur the lines. Its a recipe for disaster. One persons idea of what's acceptable isn't another's. Sexual assault, yeah bring it on. They would go for it after all so we should.
Personally I have a lot lower opinion of the forces en masse. Brave enough to go over, it's their job, they signed up for it and to be honest the last people I want handing out justice on my behalf is your average soldier.
There has to be clearly defined rules otherwise we may as well not bother, we can just use eye for an eye and have done with it.

[super_realist]

That's the problem though, how do you blur the lines. Its a recipe for disaster. One persons idea of what's acceptable isn't another's. Sexual assault, yeah bring it on. They would for it after all so we should.
Personally I have a lot lower opinion of the forces en masse. Brave enough to go over, it's their job, they signed up for it and to be honest the last people handing out justice on my behalf is your average soldier.
There has to be clearly defined rules otherwise we may as well not bother, we can just use eye for an eye and have done with it.

Well said Diggers, if we don't have standards and rules, we're just as bad as these Jihadist scum.

[McLaren]

Giving the standard of most army recruits I would have serious worries about them being allowed to boil an egg, never mind making decisions about what liberties they should relieve other people of.

[Diggers]

You'd have to think a huge pandemic is just a matter of time.

Nah. What's happening in West Africa is a result of a scheiss health system, eating monkeys etc and non-existant education re. infectious disease. If we have any cases in Ireland or wherever else in 'the West', they'll just be isolated and it'll burn out. It's not an airborne infection so it's highly unlikely to be a global problem in the same sense that a serious new strain of influenza might be.
Still, I wouldn't want to catch it given the potential lethality. A haemorrhagic fever like Ebola can't be a nice way to go..

I think you are doing the Govts hard work transforming the NHS a disservice Navy.

[Diggers]

Giving the standard of most army recruits I would have serious worries about them being allowed to boil an egg, never mind making decisions about what liberties they should relieve other people of.

The Uni Im about to do my teaching post grad at is running a 2 year course for ex soldiers to become teachers.
Basically it waives the normal academic entry requirements, which are becoming stricter by the year, taking account service experience instead . Clearly controversial as really you could do the same for a lot of other non service people who have had worthwhile careers but don't have degrees.
Still I'm sure a lot of them will do a good job.

[pedro]

Giving the standard of most army recruits I would have serious worries about them being allowed to boil an egg, never mind making decisions about what liberties they should relieve other people of.

The Uni Im about to do my teaching post grad at is running a 2 year course for ex soldiers to become teachers.
Basically it waives the normal academic entry requirements, which are becoming stricter by the year,  taking account service experience instead . Clearly controversial as really you could do the same for a lot of other non service people who have had worthwhile careers but don't have degrees.
Still I'm sure a lot of them will do a good job.

Will you get waterboarded if you can't answer their questions?

[Diggers]

Giving the standard of most army recruits I would have serious worries about them being allowed to boil an egg, never mind making decisions about what liberties they should relieve other people of.

The Uni Im about to do my teaching post grad at is running a 2 year course for ex soldiers to become teachers.
Basically it waives the normal academic entry requirements, which are becoming stricter by the year,  taking account service experience instead . Clearly controversial as really you could do the same for a lot of other non service people who have had worthwhile careers but don't have degrees.
Still I'm sure a lot of them will do a good job.

Will you get waterboarded if you can't answer their questions?

Only if you look like a potential Jehadist Pedro.

[super_realist]

Giving the standard of most army recruits I would have serious worries about them being allowed to boil an egg, never mind making decisions about what liberties they should relieve other people of.

The Uni Im about to do my teaching post grad at is running a 2 year course for ex soldiers to become teachers.
Basically it waives the normal academic entry requirements, which are becoming stricter by the year,  taking account service experience instead . Clearly controversial as really you could do the same for a lot of other non service people who have had worthwhile careers but don't have degrees.
Still I'm sure a lot of them will do a good job.

I'd be interested to know exactly what subject they'd have sufficient knowledge of to teach.
You might have ex-officers with degrees, but your average "spud peeling" Squaddie probably won't have too much in the way of subject knowledge.

[incontinentia]

The U.S. Defence secretary has been describing ISIS:

"They are beyond just a terrorist group. They marry ideology, a sophistication of strategic and tactical military prowess, they are tremendously well-funded... this is beyond anything that we have seen... an organisation that has an apocalyptic, end-of-days strategic vision and which will eventually have to be defeated".

Sounds worrying, a lot worse than Al Qaeda. But the only way to defeat them is attack their bases in Syria which Obama is unlikely to do  

This might be a silly question but I wonder who's funding them "tremendously"?

[pedro]

I'd be interested to know exactly what subject they'd have sufficient knowledge of to teach.
You might have ex-officers with degrees, but your average "spud peeling" Squaddie probably won't have too much in the way of subject knowledge.

Problem solving and maths, super. Example:
"You have 10 bullets left and there are 20 bad guys in front of you. What do you do?"

[pedro]

The U.S. Defence secretary has been describing ISIS:

"They are beyond just a terrorist group. They marry ideology, a sophistication of strategic and tactical military prowess, they are tremendously well-funded... this is beyond anything that we have seen... an organisation that has an apocalyptic, end-of-days strategic vision and which will eventually have to be defeated".

Sounds worrying, a lot worse than Al Qaeda. But the only way to defeat them is attack their bases in Syria which Obama is unlikely to do  

This might be a silly question but I wonder who's funding them "tremendously"?

While he's speaking you can just hear the US military budget increasing.

[Diggers]

Giving the standard of most army recruits I would have serious worries about them being allowed to boil an egg, never mind making decisions about what liberties they should relieve other people of.

The Uni Im about to do my teaching post grad at is running a 2 year course for ex soldiers to become teachers.
Basically it waives the normal academic entry requirements, which are becoming stricter by the year,  taking account service experience instead . Clearly controversial as really you could do the same for a lot of other non service people who have had worthwhile careers but don't have degrees.
Still I'm sure a lot of them will do a good job.

I'd be interested to know exactly what subject they'd have sufficient knowledge of to teach.
You might have ex-officers with degrees, but your average "spud peeling" Squaddie probably won't have too much in the way of subject knowledge.

Its Primary education Super so no rocket science. What you teach is very simple, I've been in classes with 11 year olds and even the curriculum for them is basic. More importantly is the methods used to teach and every student will be taught that.

[super_realist]

Ah right, I thought it was for secondary school.

[McLaren]

Its Primary education Super so no rocket science. What you teach is very simple, I've been in classes with 11 year olds and even the curriculum for them is basic. More importantly is the methods used to teach and every student will be taught that.

How many ex army people have achieved a primary school level of understanding?

[super_realist]

Bore on Mac.
There will be a lot of guys in the Army with a better education than you.

[Diggers]

Ah right, I thought it was for secondary school.

They might do it for secondary but I'm not aware. I'm sure a lot have done trades, maybe more so in the RAF and Navy? Maybe they would have the necessary skills.
I'm not saying its a bad thing, just why only apply to ex forces and not say the police, fire or healthcare if you do it at all.
You could argue running a large supermarket would better equip you to teach than being a soldier.

[JAS]

Its Primary education Super so no rocket science. What you teach is very simple, I've been in classes with 11 year olds and even the curriculum for them is basic. More importantly is the methods used to teach and every student will be taught that.

How many ex army people have achieved a primary school level of understanding?

If only they could aspire to your sophisticated intellectual musings eh Mac??

[McLaren]

Super

I say that in a sympathetic manner, as it is quite sad that those who have few opportunities can feel like the army is a good option. I find the army's recruitment policy pretty predatory.

[JAS]

Does your bus to the Braids not pass a few barracks? careful a squaddy ain't looking over your shoulder As you type your uninformed, prejudiced stereotypical pish

[super_realist]

For lots of people it is a good option, and not just if you aren't academic.

You seem to assert that because they are in the Army, they are inherently thick and good for nothing else.
I'm sure some are, but it isn't a pre-requisite.
You've never been bold enough to reveal what you do for a living. I wonder why that is?

I'd be amazed if you knew anything other than TV adverts in regard to recruitment.

[Diggers]

Does your bus to the Braids not pass a few barracks? careful a squaddy ain't looking over your shoulder As you type your uninformed, prejudiced stereotypical pish

Why, in case one of then batters him thus further reinforcing the stereotype?

[JAS]

As Mac would say when his silly arguments are totally exposed.. . I was only joking :-p

[Diggers]

Shows how times have changed when I'm disappointed just to get a point against United.

[dynamark]

Hi Diggs couldn't agree more.There for the taking lost count of how many times ive heard .fergie knew what he was doing.

[pedro]

Mario, where art thou?
-B.Rodgers

[kwinigolfer]

Liverpool look like they've regressed . . . .
Citeh didn't have to work too hard to get a comfortable lead. Imagine Rodgers is under pressure from Fenway to do things, sign players, that his head says are absolutely daft.

[Diggers]

To be honest Kwini, signing good players has never really been a Rodgers strength so it could well be down to him with Balotelli coming in, which is a gamble.
Losing Suarez and Gerrard now being in full veteran status would always make it tough for Liverpool, but they were playing a very good side away so a tad harsh to judge them just yet.

[kwinigolfer]

I see tough times ahead on the field for Liverpool, not to mention the dressing room.
And I don't trust Henry & Wener not to do something even more stupid than buying Balotelli. Reckon Top Six might be a good season for them - and then what?

[super_realist]

I think Everton could have a better season than "living in the past" Liverpool.

[Diggers]

I know you can't stand Mario Kwin,i but for that money he's worth a punt. They need another striker and I think he'll work well with their forwards who can play off him. Or in a 2 or even as a lone striker. He gives them options.
I think Liverpool will be scrapping for 3 or 4th depending how Arsenal go.

[kwinigolfer]

Everton's chances could be damaged if Eto'o goes there, even more so if he actually plays - great goalscorer but performd like an idiot at times for Chelsea.

[MustPuttBetter]

I know you can't stand Mario Kwin,i but for that money he's worth a punt. They need another striker and I think he'll work well with their forwards who can play off him. Or in a 2 or even as a lone striker. He gives them options.
I think Liverpool will be scrapping for 3 or 4th depending how Arsenal go.

I agree.
They've got him for the same price as Arsenal paid for Callum Chambers, half the price of Lukaku and not a great deal more than Southampton paid for Shane Long.
For a guy who's won 3 Serie As, 1 Premier League and 1 Champions League.
So i'd say it's a good deal and worth a go

[McLaren]

Is Di Maria a good signing?

[Diggers]

Be interesting to see if Spurs finally join the party, on paper they have a good squad and I rate Pochettino.
Id go -
Citeh
Chelski
Arsenal
Liverpool
Spurs
Man Utd
Everton
Not much between 4-7, all have strengths and weaknesses. Not sure if Di Maria is a very costly answer to what United need. Like him but think they have far greater needs elsewhere like CM and CB.

[pedro]

Agree about Mario. He's a bit of a gamble, but a good deal. Plus he'll probably continue where Suarez left - in terms of scandals that is. Which is always good for merchandise sales. Don't kow how many goals he'll make, but for sure Sturridge needs some help up front. Stirling is a bit of a joker in that sense. 3rd or 4th should be a good result for L'pool.

Had L'pool acted faster they could also have had Bendtner...

[pedro]

Think Di Maria is a bit overrated. Played well at the WC but always been middle of the road-ish for RM. Tough bench mark at RM, but still think ManU needs somebody of a higher caliber.

[MustPuttBetter]

I think Di Maria is an odd one. Definitely a good player but not one you'd say has been super amazing of late so £60m is a hell of a lot.
Plus if they're going with 5-3-2 where does he play? More central? I think they could have got a better central midfielder for £60m that a make shift left winger, which is what he'll be.
Apparently they're still trying to get Vidal which would make more sense

[kwinigolfer]

Agree about Spurs and Pochettino; and certainly reckon Arsenal spent wisely by investing in Chambers (but then he went to the same school as me, so certain to be prejudiced).
DiMaria is costing a fortune for a peripheral player, however good he might be; Man Utd seem to be getting so far away from the formula that made them successful that they could get worse before they get better. Question marks about Shaw and his lifestyle, and DeGaal already complaining about his players and the balance of his squad. Considering he's basically been there for four months, that's all a bit late.
One positive is paying $4.8M to Nani to have him play elsewhere. Didn't they just give him a honking new contract? The fools are idiots.

Any surprises from a team outside the Diggers Seven?

[Diggers]

Not really Kwini, in fact bit if a struggle to find one good enough to finish 8th!
You'd usually look to Villa, Newcastle maybe as good bets but can't see it this year.
Three that came up plus Palace to make up the bottom 4?

[MustPuttBetter]

Villa are going down

[Diggers]

No way MPB, you'll be OK. A solid if mediocre 10-12th Id say, same as us.

[MustPuttBetter]

That would be a miracle and I'd definitely take it!

[kwinigolfer]

Agree about Villa, they could be the surprise of the season, but Irvine will have worked a miracle if their Hawthorns neighbours stay up.
Hope Sunderland do you proud Digs, seemingly forever a Prem infrastructure with a Championship team, hope that changes.

[Diggers]

I dont think a front 2 of Altidore and Fletcher will terrify anyone Kwini. Hopefully pick up Borini on loan soon.

[McLaren]

As poor as people say Man Utd are, if the players below can play as many times as possible then they should really be challenging for the top 4.  

De gea

Rojo
Evans/smalling
jones
valencia/rafael

Di Maria
Herrera
Carrick
mata/Januzaj

Rooney
RVP


PS

Although Man Utd have a poor midfield be their historical standards is it any worse than liverpool's?

Liverpool Midfield

Henderson
Sterling
Allen
Lallana
Gerard
Coutinho
can

None of them would get in the city or chelsea starting line up.


Man utd

Kagawa
Herrera
Mata
Carrick
Fletcher
Di Maria
Januzaj
Cleverley
Velencia
Anderson

At least Di Maria, Mata ( :whistle: ), Januzaj and maybe Kagawa could get into the chelsea or city team.

[kwinigolfer]

At least Fletcher scores goals - Altidore is shockingly bad at Prem level. Hopefully Wickham will turn out to be the real thing.

Mac,
Where's Shaw in that line-up? If LDG didn't like him why would he allow him to be bought?
Can't see him playing Carrick, and your right-back position is a chronic weakness.
RVP? RIP more like.

[McLaren]

Kwini

If shaw shows some form then it only strengthens that case that the team is really not as bad as the media are making it out to be.

[Diggers]

That midfield gets hammered by any top side Mac, a field day for City or Chelsea.
Just don't see them stringing a really good run. I like Man Utd, always have done, but think they'll struggle this year like last year, similar kind of season.

[MustPuttBetter]

Januzai and Kagawa could get in the Chelsea or City teams - ha ha ha!!!!!!
They can't even get in the United team!

[McLaren]

mustputt

I do wonder of Moyes and LVG are the only people left who think Mata is a better player than Kagawa.

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