2014 Summer Transfer Window Thread

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[Hammersmith harrier]

Like all good transfer sagas it twists and turn this way and then that way as the papers make up rubbish to fill up column inches.

[Guest]

You can never believe anything either way until the window's closed or the transfer's 99% agreed (i.e. Suarez this past week).  Remember when Ronaldo "wasn't moving"?  I remember Defour to Utd being imminent for months a couple of years ago

2 hours before Herrera joined Utd Athletic announced that he wasn't for sale.

That was different though. Atletic were only forced to sell when Herrera bought out his contract. With Juve they hold all the cards. If they dont want to sell then they wont, the player couldnt even force the issue like the case of Herrera

No doubt if it doesn't come off we'll have another target in mind, will be a bit sorry to see us miss out an a player of Vidals quality but you dont miss what you never had

[FootballLight]

I'll never believe a transfer is done nowadays until I see a picture from a very reliable source saying he has signed a contract and has shown him signing a contract, a press conference about his move, or if all else fails, me seeing a player play for the club. I still don't believe that Suarez is "100%" a Barcelona player yet. You don't announce that, you announce like all clubs, you have signed the player, the medical is done, the fee has been agreed, the contract has been agreed and he will be in a press conference by tomorrow. Once Barcelona announce that, or something along those lines, I will agree that the deal is done.

No teams are forced to sell anyone. Suarez has a £40m release clause on his old contract, I believe from a pretty reliable source, as many clauses as people say this once was, I still think it was a release clause because John W Henry said that his contract meant nothing so they still rejected the offer for Arsenal to speak to him. Yes, to speak to him means that an offer has to be accepted for him so they can speak to him. But for some reason, legally, Liverpool got away with that one. Although, this could also be completely wrong, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it is.

Conte has left Juventus which obviously shows, there has to be some advancement between Juvetus and United for Vidal, because, as a Juventus follower, I don't believe they have any other major active transfers/transfer stories apart from the Vidal one. If he is unhappy about the transfer policy, this clearly means that there is something that Conte doesn't like in the Vidal deal, making him leave the club, maybe a lack of control over transfers or a price that is much lower than his demands. Nani has been linked as well so maybe there is only something below £40m in there. But, I'm sure that something below Conte's demands for Vidal has forced him to leave the club.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Norwich are offering Fer at £5-6m

Where have you read that Mr Dolph?

[NickisBHAFC]

More bad news for Sir Olly. During my long journey to Taunton earlier, i was reading the daily mail and it said Norwich are prepared to sell Redmond to Stoke/Southampton if the fee is right.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I'm sorry FL but that post makes absolutely no sense at all.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

More bad news for Sir Olly. During my long journey to Taunton earlier, i was reading the daily mail and it said Norwich are prepared to sell Redmond to Stoke/Southampton if the fee is right.

This post is shocking clearly a fishing one cos

1. You can't read and
2. The Daily Mail is toilet paper

[NickisBHAFC]

Wasn't even fishing and yet i've got a bite

[FootballLight]

How does that not make any sense?

Norwich are losing out on a lot of money, that is what happens, sometimes they are forced to sell there players for financial reasons, they need to try and stop the rot. As you can see with Bolton, Blackpool and Birmingham (now), they got relegated from the PL, didn't sell any of their players, couldn't win promotion in the first season and now all 3 clubs are struggling financially and 2 of them were close to being relegated to League One where one was in a bottom half mid-table position. Norwich will be the same if they don't get shut of their players that are worth the most and can make a good profit on or the one's on the biggest wages. So don't be surprised to see the likes of Bassong, Turner, Ruddy, Van Wolfswinkel, Fer, Redmond etc all leave the club. They could make a lot of money off them players and they have pretty big wages at Norwich currently.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I can't work out what you're saying at any point in that post, very difficult to decipher the point you're trying to make.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

How does that not make any sense?

Norwich are losing out on a lot of money, that is what happens, sometimes they are forced to sell there players for financial reasons, they need to try and stop the rot. As you can see with Bolton, Blackpool and Birmingham (now), they got relegated from the PL, didn't sell any of their players, couldn't win promotion in the first season and now all 3 clubs are struggling financially and 2 of them were close to being relegated to League One where one was in a bottom half mid-table position. Norwich will be the same if they don't get shut of their players that are worth the most and can make a good profit on or the one's on the biggest wages. So don't be surprised to see the likes of Bassong, Turner, Ruddy, Van Wolfswinkel, Fer, Redmond etc all leave the club. They could make a lot of money off them players and they have pretty big wages at Norwich currently.

We don't have any debts and have no need to sell anyone.

[FootballLight]

The 3 paragraphs simbolizes 3 different points of view about different things?

You may not have now, but unless you find a suitable buyer, in a couple of seasons time (if you don't come back up to the PL in that time), you will see that financially you may struggle slightly unless you can earn money from cups by going far or by filling your stadium each week, which you don't do in the Championship. So just heat that warning.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

OK

1. We sold out most weeks in League One and have sold out 22,000 season tickets again this year. Our fans ain't going nowhere
2. We don't need a suitable buyer, because we're a well run club. We have parachute payments coming in for a few years, and players who are expendable and can be sold (Becchio, Fox etc)

We're gonna be alright. We ain't getting ourselves into financial mess again

[FootballLight]

I'm not saying it will happen or its a guarantee because we were pretty much in the same position as what you are when we went down but we are looking alright, just need a new investor to sort out our chairman problem and then we should be fine. But I'm just letting you know, it has happened to 3 past PL clubs.

[kingraf]

Anyone know how true Balotelli for £14m is? Given his quality, the risk/reward ratio is heavily weighted. I'd love him at Madrid, but his temper does not lend itself well to playing in Spain.

[Fernando]

Not a clue Raf,

In more Madrid Friendly news Sami Khedira's agent has denied talking to Arsenal & Chelsea so congratulations he's all yours

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I'm not saying it will happen or its a guarantee because we were pretty much in the same position as what you are when we went down but we are looking alright, just need a new investor to sort out our chairman problem and then we should be fine. But I'm just letting you know, it has happened to 3 past PL clubs.

Well thanks for the heads up, but I'm pretty sure we'll survive. We don't need to sell anyone anyways, everyone had a clause in there contract that reduced there wage (varying degrees as I understand it) if we went down.

Anyways onto some gossip

Yes Stoke and Saints enquired about Redmond. We want £10m plus, they wanted him for around £6m. So unless they're seriously bluffing, he'll be staying.

Expect Bassong to go on loan abroad soon. France is the destination, Rennes I've heard

[kingraf]

Surely the agent is just trying to push up the price? Doesn't upset me that much now. I've given up hope on Rodriguez. And we need back up in the middle. Think he'll move though, the reality is he isn't gonna start much at the Bernabaéu, and I think he'll want game time in his peak. I also don't think di Maria will leave either. I predict Kroos will be the extent of our big boy activity this transfer season.

[DP]

I'll never believe a transfer is done nowadays until I see a picture from a very reliable source saying he has signed a contract and has shown him signing a contract, a press conference about his move, or if all else fails, me seeing a player play for the club. I still don't believe that Suarez is "100%" a Barcelona player yet. You don't announce that, you announce like all clubs, you have signed the player, the medical is done, the fee has been agreed, the contract has been agreed and he will be in a press conference by tomorrow. Once Barcelona announce that, or something along those lines, I will agree that the deal is done.

No teams are forced to sell anyone. Suarez has a £40m release clause on his old contract, I believe from a pretty reliable source, as many clauses as people say this once was, I still think it was a release clause because John W Henry said that his contract meant nothing so they still rejected the offer for Arsenal to speak to him. Yes, to speak to him means that an offer has to be accepted for him so they can speak to him. But for some reason, legally, Liverpool got away with that one. Although, this could also be completely wrong, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it is.

Conte has left Juventus which obviously shows, there has to be some advancement between Juvetus and United for Vidal, because, as a Juventus follower, I don't believe they have any other major active transfers/transfer stories apart from the Vidal one. If he is unhappy about the transfer policy, this clearly means that there is something that Conte doesn't like in the Vidal deal, making him leave the club, maybe a lack of control over transfers or a price that is much lower than his demands. Nani has been linked as well so maybe there is only something below £40m in there. But, I'm sure that something below Conte's demands for Vidal has forced him to leave the club.

I think Conte was just extremely averse to having to have Nani in his side...

[Fernando]

I'll never believe a transfer is done nowadays until I see a picture from a very reliable source saying he has signed a contract and has shown him signing a contract, a press conference about his move, or if all else fails, me seeing a player play for the club. I still don't believe that Suarez is "100%" a Barcelona player yet. You don't announce that, you announce like all clubs, you have signed the player, the medical is done, the fee has been agreed, the contract has been agreed and he will be in a press conference by tomorrow. Once Barcelona announce that, or something along those lines, I will agree that the deal is done.

No teams are forced to sell anyone. Suarez has a £40m release clause on his old contract, I believe from a pretty reliable source, as many clauses as people say this once was, I still think it was a release clause because John W Henry said that his contract meant nothing so they still rejected the offer for Arsenal to speak to him. Yes, to speak to him means that an offer has to be accepted for him so they can speak to him. But for some reason, legally, Liverpool got away with that one. Although, this could also be completely wrong, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it is.

Conte has left Juventus which obviously shows, there has to be some advancement between Juvetus and United for Vidal, because, as a Juventus follower, I don't believe they have any other major active transfers/transfer stories apart from the Vidal one. If he is unhappy about the transfer policy, this clearly means that there is something that Conte doesn't like in the Vidal deal, making him leave the club, maybe a lack of control over transfers or a price that is much lower than his demands. Nani has been linked as well so maybe there is only something below £40m in there. But, I'm sure that something below Conte's demands for Vidal has forced him to leave the club.

I think Conte was just extremely averse to having to have Nani in his side...

Why do you think Fergie retired, He knew he was being handed a new 5 year deal

[monty junior]

Think it was missing out on Sanchez as Marotta was trying to do his usual cheap skating on Barca. Then he was basically forced in to taking Alvaro Morata whilst probably selling Vidal, they should be taking an absolute minimum of 50 million for Vidal who is one of the best mids in the world, bringing in pretenders like Nani and Morata, i can understand why Conte left.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Vidal at his age isn't worth near £50mil Monty, I would say £35mil is about right for him and I don't see us paying any more than if and it's a huge IF we do sign him.

[Lowlandbrit]

As you can see with Bolton, Blackpool and Birmingham (now), they got relegated from the PL, didn't sell any of their players, couldn't win promotion in the first season and now all 3 clubs are struggling financially

Blackpool aren't struggling financially, their chairman just doesn't spend any money on them. I'm pretty sure that study that had the Championship a billion pounds in debt had them as the only club with money in the bank.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Norwich are offering Fer at £5-6m

Where have you read that Mr Dolph?

What I can only say, and you can take the word or not, is a pretty reliable source West Ham wise.

[Crimey]

Surely the agent is just trying to push up the price? Doesn't upset me that much now. I've given up hope on Rodriguez. And we need back up in the middle. Think he'll move though, the reality is he isn't gonna start much at the Bernabaéu, and I think he'll want game time in his peak. I also don't think di Maria will leave either. I predict Kroos will be the extent of our big boy activity this transfer season.

Think Barcelona signing Suarez may push Real into the market for a star signing. After all, Suarez was arguably the best player in the world last year and a long term target of Real's so they might try and make a statement that they are still kings of the transfer market which could see somebody like Rodriguez or Falcao brought in. Kroos is a fantastic player and a brilliant signing but not sure he's flashy enough to be Real's marquee signing.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Norwich are offering Fer at £5-6m

Where have you read that Mr Dolph?

What I can only say, and you can take the word or not, is a pretty reliable source West Ham wise.

Interesting. He's one, along with Bassong that I expect to leave. I'd be surprised if we were actively offering him, but I wouldn't be surprised if we sold him for that amount

[Hero]

Surely the agent is just trying to push up the price? Doesn't upset me that much now. I've given up hope on Rodriguez. And we need back up in the middle. Think he'll move though, the reality is he isn't gonna start much at the Bernabaéu, and I think he'll want game time in his peak. I also don't think di Maria will leave either. I predict Kroos will be the extent of our big boy activity this transfer season.

Think Barcelona signing Suarez may push Real into the market for a star signing. After all, Suarez was arguably the best player in the world last year and a long term target of Real's so they might try and make a statement that they are still kings of the transfer market which could see somebody like Rodriguez or Falcao brought in. Kroos is a fantastic player and a brilliant signing but not sure he's flashy enough to be Real's marquee signing.

I find it an odd signing for Real, if he'd moved to Barca to replace Xavi then fair enough but he just doesn't seem to fit the Real mold as much.

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Might be Alonsos replacement

[monty junior]

Vidal at his age isn't worth near £50mil Monty, I would say £35mil is about right for him and I don't see us paying any more than if and it's a huge IF we do sign him.

He's only just turned 27 and in the prime of his career, especially with the ridiculous prices PL sides pay Juve should laugh off any bid under 40 million.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Norwich are offering Fer at £5-6m

Where have you read that Mr Dolph?

What I can only say, and you can take the word or not, is a pretty reliable source West Ham wise.

Interesting. He's one, along with Bassong that I expect to leave. I'd be surprised if we were actively offering him, but I wouldn't be surprised if we sold him for that amount

I'd imagine there have been tentative enquiries so rather than let those teams have a free run they let anyone know he's got this kind of value. I'd also heard Hooper was available for £4m but we aren't pursuing it

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Its still rather odd that United opted for Herrera for 30m, over Kroos for 20m. Granted Kroos will have higher wages but I doubt thats an issue at all for United.

Same age, Kroos is a quality player, Herrera a good to very good player.

[Ent]

Its still rather odd that United opted for Herrera for 30m, over Kroos for 20m. Granted Kroos will have higher wages but I doubt thats an issue at all for United.

Same age, Kroos is a quality player, Herrera a good to very good player.

Don't think kroos wanted to join us.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

One time i'll agree with Ent.

Enner Valencia is now officially a West Ham player.

[Guest]

Do Barcelona think Jérémy Mathieu is the answer to their defensive issues? #neverlearn

As for Kroos, you'd go to Madrid every day of the week over United currently. United haven't been able to buy anyone top notch as of yet.

[Fernando]

I think they may target Hummels now Ginter has joined Dortmund.

[Ent]

Might take a few years for us to get back there - if we were ever there in terms of buying marquee names.

Happy with purchases so far, if a bit expensive.

Need a centre half now to make it a great window.

[Liam]

I genuinely don't believe what the media are saying about vidal to utd, as in that we aren't willing to pay what juve want. We've coughed up the amounts needed for shaw and herrera, are we really supposed to believe we won't do the same for a world class cm? I think we'll sign him possibly before the weekend, latest next week. Van Gaal has only just arrived in Manchester and will have his first press conference today so the media attention will be on him, then I think we'll wrap up the deal while everyone's eyes is on our new boss.

[Liam]

If we get Vidal we get Hummels for me, as hummels will see the Vidal signing as a sign of better times at OT. Plus, Dortmund have signed a good cb, will get a decent fee also. Makes good business all round.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I'm not sure how well Kroos and LVG get on either, it is odd picking Herrera over Kroos but he has very clear expectations from his players but who knows.

Hummels and Vidal would be the dream signings but the more I think of it the less likely either seems.

[Liam]

Agree Hammer, does seem unlikely but then again, we have the money and it seems both players are interested in the moves. We'll see but i'm 'quietly' optimistic.

[Guest]

I think they may target Hummels now Ginter has joined Dortmund.

Adrian Ramos, Ciro Immobile, Dong-Won Ji & Matthias Ginter have been the signings this year for Dortmund. Bayern won't be too worried.

I don't see United getting both, maybe one. I'd actually be disappointed that LVG had to basically blow £100m + in one summer on players to get United back into the top 4 & his so-called brilliant management, couldn't achieve this, with just two signings. I know United needed strengthening but I thought a proven manager alone, could of done the job.

[Geordie]

I think the Man U squad has been average for a few years though John.

They are probably hoping that LVG can have the same effect Fergie had of raising an average squad to a one capable of winning the title.

With the extra players it may be the case.

Away from that...

Im surprisingly please with Newcastles window.

Colback
Riviere
De Jong
Cabella
Jaanmat
Perez

Certainly more hopeful than the last 3/4 windows...and hopefully these can have a positive impact on the likes of Ben Arfa, Cisse etc.

[Liam]

I think they may target Hummels now Ginter has joined Dortmund.

Adrian Ramos, Ciro Immobile, Dong-Won Ji & Matthias Ginter have been the signings this year for Dortmund. Bayern won't be too worried.

I don't see United getting both, maybe one. I'd actually be disappointed that LVG had to basically blow £100m + in one summer on players to get United back into the top 4 & his so-called brilliant management, couldn't achieve this, with just two signings. I know United needed strengthening but I thought a proven manager alone, could of done the job.

Utd desperately needed this type of strengthening though John. Our last PL title papered over the cracks in Fergie's last season. Granted, we shouldn't have finished 7th last season, just Moyes was completely out of his depth. However, we genuinely needed 2 cm's (carrick poor season, fletcher out for 2 seasons, cleverly and anderson not good enough), a cb (vidic and rio leaving, jones and smalling not progressing as quickly as hoped), a lb (evra past it) and possibly a winger (young/valencia average at best).

What I do hope from Van Gaal and I believe he will do this, is that the likes of Powell and Lingard get a few games this season. Two very bright talents who deserve a shot ahead of the likes of Young and Nani and cleverly.

[Geordie]

Debuchy off to Arsenal for £10m.

[Geordie]

I think they may target Hummels now Ginter has joined Dortmund.

Adrian Ramos, Ciro Immobile, Dong-Won Ji & Matthias Ginter have been the signings this year for Dortmund. Bayern won't be too worried.

I don't see United getting both, maybe one. I'd actually be disappointed that LVG had to basically blow £100m + in one summer on players to get United back into the top 4 & his so-called brilliant management, couldn't achieve this, with just two signings. I know United needed strengthening but I thought a proven manager alone, could of done the job.

Utd desperately needed this type of strengthening though John. Our last PL title papered over the cracks in Fergie's last season. Granted, we shouldn't have finished 7th last season, just Moyes was completely out of his depth. However, we genuinely needed 2 cm's (carrick poor season, fletcher out for 2 seasons, cleverly and anderson not good enough), a cb (vidic and rio leaving, jones and smalling not progressing as quickly as hoped), a lb (evra past it) and possibly a winger (young/valencia average at best).

What I do hope from Van Gaal and I believe he will do this, is that the likes of Powell and Lingard get a few games this season. Two very bright talents who deserve a shot ahead of the likes of Young and Nani and cleverly.

 
Papers today suggesting they along with Bebe, Hernandez, Anderson (didnt know they were still at the club) etc are at the forefront of a huge Utd squad clearout...which has been needed for a while.

[The Special Juan]

I think they may target Hummels now Ginter has joined Dortmund.

Adrian Ramos, Ciro Immobile, Dong-Won Ji & Matthias Ginter have been the signings this year for Dortmund. Bayern won't be too worried.

I don't see United getting both, maybe one. I'd actually be disappointed that LVG had to basically blow £100m + in one summer on players to get United back into the top 4 & his so-called brilliant management, couldn't achieve this, with just two signings. I know United needed strengthening but I thought a proven manager alone, could of done the job.

Utd desperately needed this type of strengthening though John. Our last PL title papered over the cracks in Fergie's last season. Granted, we shouldn't have finished 7th last season, just Moyes was completely out of his depth. However, we genuinely needed 2 cm's (carrick poor season, fletcher out for 2 seasons, cleverly and anderson not good enough), a cb (vidic and rio leaving, jones and smalling not progressing as quickly as hoped), a lb (evra past it) and possibly a winger (young/valencia average at best).

What I do hope from Van Gaal and I believe he will do this, is that the likes of Powell and Lingard get a few games this season. Two very bright talents who deserve a shot ahead of the likes of Young and Nani and cleverly.

 
Papers today suggesting they along with Bebe, Hernandez, Anderson (didnt know they were still at the club) etc are at the forefront of a huge Utd squad clearout...which has been needed for a while.

I read that too but they also mentioned Powell might be on his way out too which seems ridiculous to me. I can believe Anderson and Hernandez going though, as much as I like Hernandez there's just no place for him in the team.

[Liam]

Getting rid of Powell would be madness. Bags of potential and hasn't been given a chance at utd. The others, yes, they'd be straight out the door, and it frees up space to bring some youngsters into the squad, like powell.

[Guest]

I wouldn't call it madness, maybe premature as he still is developing. Is Powell really going to breakthrough though into LVG's side, he isn't. Didn't blow me away in the Championship, I'd guess it would just be another loan to continue his development.

[westisbest]

Luna looks off to Hellas Verona.

Still seeing QPR interested in Vlaar.

Do one Redknapp.

[Fernando]

Olly going to cream himself that Holt is heading back to Carrow Road...

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