Emanuel Steward view on Haye Klitschko

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Interesting reading Emanuel's comments on Eastside Boxing, he claims Wladimir to be faster than Haye, and also cannot see Haye lasting 4 rounds.

Now do you think this is just typical trainer talk, or do Steward's comments hold any weight?

Personally I can't see that Wlad is faster than Haye, whilst his jab is indeed a swift offensive weapon, Haye as an overall package in terms of foot speed, hand speed, head movement etc has to be the faster of the two, surely?

Manny reckons that we will see a much more aggressive Wlad, but do you see it going this way? Whilst it may indeed prove effective and that Haye can't live with it, it may also play straight into Haye's hands, and lead to Wlad being nailed with a big shot early doors. I'm not so sure Manny is being 100% truthful here, and despite his analysis usually being very shrewd, I see this one as trainer bias and maybe even a few mind games.

Haye has got the tools to KO/TKO Wlad, but the real question is how good is Hayes chin. The last genuine world class fighter he fought was Mormeck and he got put down in that fight. Ok he got up and won but against Wlads jab it could well be a different story. Manny aint stupid he will have Wlad sparring with fighters of Haye's style. Wlad on points for me with possibly both fighters visiting the canvas at some point

Trainer talk by Emanuel for me. Wlad has been a lot calmer and more relaxed in the ring of late, but i don't need to search too far back to remember him looking as if he feared for his life, while trying to stand on ice when he got clipped, basically just really nervous. Haye can bring those fears back. If Wladimir looks calm in the ring before the fight Haye could be in trouble.

If Wlad employs a safety first strategy against Ibragimov, Chambers and Chagaev he probably will in the fight with Haye. In terms of the first two fights, wouldn't say his performance was anything special. For the first six rounds it was all pawing jabs. Haye basically has two punches to concern himself with, a jab and a cross. From previous fights an opponent usually needs to hang himself there for a while before a solid punch lands. If Haye boxes with some intelligence he shouldn't take to many flush.

Busy and aggressive fighters are probably more difficult, or a slick defensive expert. But, inactive and cautious, while also methodical isn't to problematic. Haye has more room to manouvere and can take the initiative. There may be more questions for Haye to answer at heavyweight and some are not entirely convinced by his boxing skills anyway. It will be a tough fight, but one I can see Haye winning.

I actually agree with Steward and Windy in that we could see a more aggressive Wlad.

Not so much because he's peeved off with Haye, but because an aggressive performance could turn out to be a more effective tactic.

If Wlad comes out too cautious and conservative, Haye might grow in confidence and start taking a few risks (which will provide his best chance of winning).

On the other hand, if Wlad comes out with more aggression, it might just discourage Haye and disrupt him from following his gameplan.

Obviously, Wlad is not going to suddenly imitate a Tyson or Dempsey......he will still fight in his usual style, boxing behind the jab.
However, I think he will provide more pressure than usual and push foward with intent, comparable to his 2nd fights against Byrd and Brewster. Avoiding any pawing jabs and keeping them stiff and piston-like.

Both fighter and trainer are fully aware of the danger Haye presents. The longer the fight goes on, the more time Haye has to land something big or go for broke. Therefore, I think Steward will want Wlad to finish the fight early before Haye gets any opportunities.

88Chris05 wrote:Personally, I'd be amazed if Wladimir came out in a more aggressive manner than he usually does. He knows that he needs a win here to secure any kind of place in Heavyweight history, and I don't for one second believe that he sees Haye in the same way he saw Chagaev, Peter or Ibragimov; he's well aware that Haye represents a fighter he hasn't experienced the likes of before. He'll be putting the feelers out in the first three or four rounds and little else, for my money.

~Dearie me, kind sir, Mr. Wlad sees Mr. Haye in a highly charged personal light of taking care of family honor.

Mr. Haye has no legacy unless here in Barney World our fair Mr. Audley counts for anything. It's fair to say that if Mr. Audley can hold Mr. Haye at bay with no more than the threat of feints for 2 rounds, one hale and heart BOO from Mr. Wlad will seize up Mr. Haye's chicken heart for a funny scramble about the ring before dropping dead.

Ahem, Mr. Haye's already retired if his word is his bond..........

I think Haye has no chance against Wlad unless he goes for broke early and tries to blitz him like a 20 yo Mike Tyson.

If he stands off, as he has in most of his heavyweight rounds, he'll have had the ambition beaten out of him by the start of round 4.

I'll be supporting Haye because I actually find Wlad's nauseating and smarmy nice guy act even more irritating than Haye's playground babble, but to suggest the form book, the tale of the tape or the tea leaves indicate anything other than Wlad being a 10-1 favourite is just wishful thinking.

fearlessBamber wrote:I think Haye has no chance against Wlad unless he goes for broke early and tries to blitz him like a 20 yo Mike Tyson.

If he stands off, as he has in most of his heavyweight rounds, he'll have had the ambition beaten out of him by the start of round 4.

I'll be supporting Haye because I actually find Wlad's nauseating and smarmy nice guy act even more irritating than Haye's playground babble, but to suggest the form book, the tale of the tape or the tea leaves indicate anything other than Wlad being a 10-1 favourite is just wishful thinking.

That's exactly how I see it but with more bite. I recall the herbie hide/bowe fight where Herbie got carried away with his success for a round and a half until he felt the full force of a Bowe jab.

The look of shock on his face says it all.

~Some obscure sentence that alludes to the general point of the post

Haye didnt knock Audley out immediately because he had a lot of money on a third round stoppage (or people he knows did, probably both.) Although I do agree that he generally seems to be a cautious heavyweight, and if he adopts a cautious approach he will just eat jabs all night. This fight has got Wlad late stoppage written all over it, although I hope Im wrong.

Final comment containing some attempt at a witty remark, written in the same stupid flowery language!

All trainers's comments about their own fighters and on their opponents has to be taken with a pinch of salt.

I can't see the fight going the distance and could end at any time for either fighter, which will make it so nerving to watch!

Hoping Haye can do but would put Klit as a 60/40 favourite.