England v India First Test Trent Bridge

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The 5 test series cramped into a 42 day schedule gets underway at Trent Bridge tomorrow. The 2 middling sides have a lot to prove. Hopefully we'll get to have some exciting cricket.

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:India's day?! You do make me laugh.

India is not in a losing position going into D4......with a very very  good chance of draw and an outside chance of win.
In an overseas series, given the track record...... this is about as good as we could have asked for...for a start

They've gone from strong favourites to having a very marginal chance in the space of one day.

I hardly think that qualifies them to have won the day. They will be bitterly disappointed at letting such a good chance slip, particularly so early on.

Dhoni is a ultra defensive captain....in his heart of heart he would not have been expecting the position he found himself in.....Eng 200 odd for 7...and coming back from tea he was too pleased with his position and removed the foot of the pedal.

No one of true Indian cricket followers was expecting India to win........but many would not have been surprised had we lost....so a drawn first test is not a bad start.
Now hopefully we will not collapse in the morning hour and ensure atleast a draw.

In the best case Ind can declare with about 55 overs to go and give Eng about 250 runs ( at 5rpo) to chase and see if we can win psychological advantage.
But that's too far away....let's not crash in the first hour tomm

That may well have been the case at the start of the Test, but I do greatly assure you that at the start of today the majority of cricket fans, Indian or otherwise, would have been anticipating an away win.

Such a golden chance has now all but disappeared, and the aforementioned cricket fans will have been largely surprised. Some of whom will be disappointed, others joyous.

draw was still massive favorite with the bookies start of play.

Except that England will have to bat again unlike in 2011.

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:India's day?! You do make me laugh.

India is not in a losing position going into D4......with a very very  good chance of draw and an outside chance of win.
In an overseas series, given the track record...... this is about as good as we could have asked for...for a start

They've gone from strong favourites to having a very marginal chance in the space of one day.

I hardly think that qualifies them to have won the day. They will be bitterly disappointed at letting such a good chance slip, particularly so early on.

Dhoni is a ultra defensive captain....in his heart of heart he would not have been expecting the position he found himself in.....Eng 200 odd for 7...and coming back from tea he was too pleased with his position and removed the foot of the pedal.

No one of true Indian cricket followers was expecting India to win........but many would not have been surprised had we lost....so a drawn first test is not a bad start.
Now hopefully we will not collapse in the morning hour and ensure atleast a draw.

In the best case Ind can declare with about 55 overs to go and give Eng about 250 runs ( at 5rpo) to chase and see if we can win psychological advantage.
But that's too far away....let's not crash in the first hour tomm

That may well have been the case at the start of the Test, but I do greatly assure you that at the start of today the majority of cricket fans, Indian or otherwise, would have been anticipating an away win.

Such a golden chance has now all but disappeared, and the aforementioned cricket fans will have been largely surprised. Some of whom will be disappointed, others joyous.

to blow up positions of strength has been the pattern in India's last 4 tests in SA and NZ to lose 2 and draw 2 of those.
and so it was expected that they will blow it up at some point.
I just hope there is no crash tomm morning.

Eng has also blown up chances in last several tests vs Aus and SL...so they are not completely safe.
they could mess it also if chasing 200 +

Can someone please explain to me why Cook takes Moeen off as soon as he takes a wicket?

On the whole Moeen didn't really threaten. Certainly his first wicket was fortunate.

Would the Indian batsmen prefer to play themselves in against pace or gentle spin?

This match has been utter utter turd

However it has produced some wonderful moments, non more so than Joe Root telling Ishant Sharma to review it when they thought he'd nicked one through to Dhoni

Good one Joe!

The pitch may have changed- Hopefully and we can have a classic last day- But I doubt it

Terrific start for England with India Losing Kohli early. With him gone, along with him went India's chance of putting up a declarable total and a crack at England. Now just play for the draw, bat as long as possible.......

Well one early wicket to keep the interest going anyway...at least for a while. Danger man Kohli too.

Don't really expect anything much to happen today. India could collapse I suppose ...
...and as I type Broad gets Rahane so I might shut up   

kohli played around his pads when he should have oeffred a staright bat.

Dhoni is not ideal for this situation...they should have promoted Binny and held back Djhoni

will he play naturally or defend......and Rahane also goes

I feared last night.....it's in Dhoni's destiny to pull defeats from safe situations

jadeja should pull he weight get a cracking 30 to 40

If Ind get 200 + lead game on

Pretty much called a nervy last session finish two days ago.

30 to 40 run partnership here will be cruicial to kill the momentum and pressure Eng have generated

Well, India are fast losing their way here. Rahane gone, they are in serious trouble at 173-5.

we need a 30 to 40 run partnership that's all and these two need to attack....play lofted shots

KP_fan wrote:we need a 30 to 40 run partnership that's all and these two need to attack....play lofted shots

Easy to say , KP f , but if Jadeja holes out to mid off now he'll be kicked to death all over the Internet   

What these two really need to do is see off Broad and Anderson. The other bowlers aren't in the same class.

Cook drops a dolly

There's the chance and again England haven't taken it

Oops ! Bad drop Cook ! That was a big moment...

Olly wrote:Cook drops a dolly

There's the chance and again England haven't taken it

Indeed , Olly. Cook normally a safe pair of hands but he can't take a trick at the moment...

Still Indian batsmen are really struggling at present and it won't surprise me if another wicket comes soon. Though I can't believe things won't settle down sooner or later : 23 wickets in four days and I don't think they've transplanted a minefield in overnight   

Hark at the advantages of bowling full and straight!

No telling how costly the drop might be, though.

Yes, bad drop by Cook. Great start though by Broad who is having a very good match.

Jadeja has played 30 balls and is still looking for his first run. India 183-5, leading by 144. They are under a lot of pressure here. How long will Cook keep on Anderson and Broad?

Plunkett on for Broad, and strikes immediately. He has gone through Dhoni's defenses. MS was never going to succeed with a defensive game here, he was dropped earlier, but he's gone now.

Ladies & Gentlemen what we are watching in the middle is whats called a CHOKE

A very relieved Cook too no doubt    Didn't cost many then...

India in a spot of bother.

Jadeja- 33 dots!

Bowled 'im! Well in, Plunkers!

What an unbelievable turnaround this might be.

Please, can someone play a shot or 2????

That first hour belongs to India, I have no doubt this is India's day thus far!

Chance for Stuart Binny to justify his selection. No contribution with bat or ball yet, here is his chance.

Lead pass 150.......

Jadeja off the mark with a big shot. Anderson won't mind him trying those ; but he must be near the end of his spell ?

Nearly a run out but think he's safe...yes.

Binny going some way towards justifying his apparently misguided selection with some resolute batting.
Won't say India are safe yet ; but they are edging towards harbour. If these two come back out after lunch it will be just a burst from Anderson and Broad with the new ball to survive and they can think about a handshake at 5 o'clock...

India go to lunch at 230-6. Jadeja on a very circumspect 18 and Stuart Binny on a more freely made 26. India lead by 191, things look a bit better than it did 40 minutes ago.

Look at Binny's footwork ......gets behind the line of the ball....cover the movement...decisive on the front foot....a creaming cover drive...and strong..standing tall on the back foot...anotehr drive through covers...not ruffled by short one.....fends from rib cage.....and pulls and hooks...

He is a proper batsman......and no way should he be batting behind Dhoni and Jadeja...who are perfectly suited for Nos 7 and 8.

for Binny to seal the deal....he must get to minimum 35 to 40 runs.....runs that will count and be remembered...and notice his temperament, the match situation he came out to bat in.....and remember he is on debit and playing for his place,...

and its a matter of time before he duly moves up the order if he does get another good 10 to 15 runs today

India kept on losing wickets after a break in play throughout this test match including today morning. The new ball is due pretty soon and Anderson and Broad will be back. So they by no means are safe in this game, but a chase of 200 won't be easy for England either. Perhaps there is more surprises, twists and turns in this game........

if we try and chase we could be in serious trouble. anything over a 200 lead and its game over- we will just bat out the draw

mystiroakey wrote:if we try and chase we could be in serious trouble. anything over a 200 lead and its game over- we will just bat out the draw

Well since the 200 lead is only nine away that suggests the draw is pretty much nailed on ?

I think if the last four were collected for twenty/thirty in the next twelve overs or so a chase would be on...but I don't really think that is likely.

A valiant effort today by England, so far, but they probably have just that little bit too much to do. The new ball will be their last hope of a win.

I think England will go for it if the target is below 250; although that would be an uphill challenge.

OK say we  get them out for less than 230 and have 1.5 sessions to win- 


give it a go with our most prolific batters- hell start with broad and stokes- let them smash the living daylights out of it- then off course we still have plenty of grinders like cook , robson and root to see out the draw if it goes wrong

Its a 5 test series, no sense forcing anything here. If its not manageable go to Lords ;evel.

The lead over 200.

Getting to the stage where the game is effectively over.

Hard to see England making a real go at 4+ RPO.

That Anderson wicket keeps it just alive...need the last three double quick though.

The last three have not fallen too quickly so far in this match   

Well done, Jimbo!

Jimmy going close a couple of times there...but Binny is standing firm.

If England had even forty-five overs to chase 230 they'd be obligated to have a go. But that is starting to look increasingly unlikely. Got to shift one of these , and Ishant can often hang around...to say nothing of Shami fresh from his maiden fifty.

Been a good effort from England today but it looks like falling short . At least the paying public has seen some live cricket today and not a going-through-the-motions wind down.

One more go from Broad now...

We can settle for the draw now - rather nice to say that, because it didn't look likely at the start of yesterday!

Hopefully Cook can get a few runs before stumps, and boost his flagging confidence.