England vs India - Second Test - Lords

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Seeming as we have such a short turnaround thought I'd stick up a thread

England have added Simon Kerrigan to the squad interestingly. I'd imagine he must be in serious contention, or else what's the point of adding another body?

Again Anderson bowling far too many overs, especially when he's not bowling well

This has the potential to get fairly ugly fairly quick for England...

Good jinx Olly


effective 94/3 is fine !

Well somebody has to take over the mantle now Trebs isnt about as much

Bang 99/4

No DRS India- tut tut.

mystiroakey wrote:No DRS India- tut tut.

But DRS isn't 100 accurate!  

England victory % IMO

100-150 chase 100% victory
150-200 chase 80% victory
200-250 chase 55% victory
250-300 chase 20% victory.

dont like dem apples Gerry


100-150- 80% win , 1% draw 19% india
200-250- 60% win 5% draw 35% india
250-300- 50% win 10 % draw 40% india
300-350 40% win 20% draw 40% india
350-400 30% win 30% draw 40% india

OK , made it home...what's been going on ?

India 116 in front four down...still looks pretty tight...Dhoni seems to be just surviving at present. Vijay taking his time in this innings ?

mystiroakey wrote:dont like dem apples Gerry


100-150- 80% win , 1% draw 19% india
200-250- 60% win 5% draw 35% india
250-300- 50% win 10 % draw 40% india
300-350 40% win 20% draw 40% india
350-400 30% win 30% draw 40% india

I think 250-300 brings Jadeja into the game.

There's some spin now in this pitch and England haven't won too many matches(all formats) in recent times.

Pitch still looks all right to me. Some life , but not many balls doing anything special. India would want 280 lead , no ? Well they'd want more , but they might fancy that would be enough...
Still looks in the balance .

alfie wrote:Pitch still looks all right to me.  Some life , but not many balls doing anything special.  India would want 280 lead , no ?  Well they'd want more , but they might fancy that would be enough...
Still looks in the balance .

It's the pressure on England.

No Test win in 9 matches.
Consecutive series defeats(Ashes and SL)

Senior players under pressure: Cook, Bell and Prior.

India hadn't won a Test away Asia since Jamaica 2010.

Cook would be loathed to be the captain when India finally win again.

England really want another wicket tonight. If India finish up still four down they retain an edge , though they'd hardly be out of sight.
At present run rate they'll be 200 on when the second new ball arrives so they won't want to have lost too many more before then.

Reckon this one is likely to be close all the way.

At least it looks like a result not a draw!

So India finish the day a little in front - as they have on the first two days.
Few quick wickets tomorrow would change that. But at the moment I'd have them favourites , if not by much.

prognostications and analyses are meaningless....both sides paradigms in mediocrity and outdoing each other in handing over the match advantages.
Ind is capable of a lead anywhere between 200 to 350.
and Eng capable of chasing or fluffing either of 200 or 350 targets.
and Eng will scale their difficulty level to the size of Indian lead i suspect.

the only advantage for India is not so much the pitch but rather having runs on board and subjecting Eng to "fear of losing"
Great day to be watching at Lords tomm

Absorbing day with the Test right in the balance at the home of cricket. All four results still possible, although the draw is a heavy outsider (barring rain).

The scales would be throughly in India's favour if we had DRS, of course, and even more so it wasn't for those two balls by Plunkett.

Now I think England can chase anything up to 275; 276-325 would make India confident; anything over 325 and it won't happen for the home side.

England have to be positive and pitch the ball up tomorrow; there were already too many negative overs bowled today. India, meanwhile, should seek to increase the scoring rate and put Cook on the defensive.

I still give England the slight advantage.

England well on top for my liking.

They've dislodged India's two best batsmen, Pujara and Kohli.

Vijay holds the key for India, if he can get 100-150, then India might get a defendable total.

I'm expecting Dhoni to fall early tomorrow. Jadeja isn't gonna offer much with the bat. So it will be down to Binny and Kumar to help a Vijay.

65/35 in England's favour ATM.

Way i see it.

Anything under 230-250 then England are favourites.
Anything over 250-270 then India are favourites.

Either way someone is going to have to get over the hump. England are finally going to have to finish a team off, or India are going to have to take twenty wickets. 

What a brilliant test match

Still very close to call. "Absorbing" according to Duty here. "A humdinger" according to Michael Holding on Sky. Both spot on.

That last wicket partnership between Plunkers and the Burnley Bruiser has maybe just tipped the balance narrowly in England's favour in this low scoring contest. Yet again though all to play for in tomorrow's vital opening session ....

And I feel for Rahane, terrible bad luck with the decision and with Matt Prior actually taking a catch

Yet again like the first couple of days, there is not a lot between the 2 sides. India were ahead just a little bit on days 1 and 2, but today its pretty much even in my book. Couple of early wickets, England will be lookin at a sub-225 chase that shouldn't be the most difficult task against this bowling lineup. MSD will hae to do all the hard work yet again tomorrow, he's not the best at defending in these conditions, but is caught in a position where he can't do too much else. Jadeja bats like a madman in tests, he just doesn't trust his technique which anyways isn't great. Binny seems to have a better technique than what Jadeja has got, so it may not be a bad idea to send Binny in at 7 ahead of Jadeja. If Vijay, Dhoni, Binny, Jadeja and Kumar can drag India pass 280-300, then they would be the favorites, a lead under 225, then England will be favorites, anything in between, it'll be too close to call.
As of now, with Pujara, Kohli and Rahane back in the hut already, its England who are just a little bit a head, but like England's own position on the first 2 days, India aren't too far behind.

We already have had 3 really poor umpiring decisions in the match so far, Joe Root for England, Stuart Binny and Rahane for India. We've had a few in the first test as well. Hope the umpires get their act together, and the ICC and the BCCI start thinking a bit more about the DRS. DRS need consistency, BCCI should also find a way so that Indian side is not deprived off overall improvement in decision making that makes the game better.

Adam Lyth with another hundred for Yorkshire today...

Must be in contention to replace Cook (if he gets banned for slow over rate that is, which really he should. The fiasco after tea was embarrassing)

Don't rate Lyth. Good CC player, but not Test class. Take a punt on Hales, can't do any worse than Cook at the moment.

Didn't get to see any play today, somehow managed to play a game of cricket despite an absolute deluge. India slightly on top just going off the scores though, this is an England side that doesn't know how to win at the moment.

Cook will hit some form once again, in England's good time. Patience. And an ounce of luck.

He'll feel loads better when England have a win at long, long last.

JDizzle wrote:Don't rate Lyth. Good CC player, but not Test class. Take a punt on Hales, can't do any worse than Cook at the moment.

Didn't get to see any play today, somehow managed to play a game of cricket despite an absolute deluge. India slightly on top just going off the scores though, this is an England side that doesn't know how to win at the moment.

I think you're being harsh on Adam Lyth.

This is the second time he's made 1000+ championship runs in a season(also in 2010), he's a much more complete player since 2010 as well.

I think he could be a very good Test opener.

I know it's probably just not cricket.....but am I the only one who has a little chuckle to myself every time india receive a bad umpiring decision and don't have the drs to overturn it?

By the way, back on the Anderson saga, the ECB is not coming out clean on the matter? Have something to hide?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/story/762095.html

Gerry SA wrote:

JDizzle wrote:Don't rate Lyth. Good CC player, but not Test class. Take a punt on Hales, can't do any worse than Cook at the moment.

Didn't get to see any play today, somehow managed to play a game of cricket despite an absolute deluge. India slightly on top just going off the scores though, this is an England side that doesn't know how to win at the moment.

I think you're being harsh on Adam Lyth.

This is the second time he's made 1000+ championship runs in a season(also in 2010), he's a much more complete player since 2010 as well.

I think he could be a very good Test opener.

Maybe I am, I don't really manage to watch much of the four day stuff so what you say maybe true, but despite those two big seasons he does still only average 40. I know Hales only averages 36 but he's proven against international bowling albeit in T20s. Point is moot anyway, Cook's getting the series as a batsman, even it he's dropped as skipper.

msp83 wrote:By the way, back on the Anderson saga, the ECB is not coming out clean on the matter? Have something to hide?
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/story/762095.html

The sheer irony of the BCCI moaning about lack of video replays... 

That's not the point though Olly. Just completely different contexts. And it appears the ECB hasn't been following protocols in this regard. These days with the persons allowed to interact with players during match times restricted, it is usual practice to have cameras covering their movement from the ground to the dressingrooms. The ECB explanation seems very strange to say the least.
But then they've specialized in ludicrous explanations in recent times...... So perhaps not so strange after all!.

For the life of me I'll never understand why teams don't employ a third man, would stop so many runs

Game beginning to go away from England...

India going safely, though Dhoni survived that huge LBW shout off Anderson. Almost 8-9 overs left before the new ball to come. I think 100 more runs and game will shift bit towards India. A 270+ chase here in 4th innings will be a bit difficult.

It's such a shame for England that Monty Panesar's career has unravelled.

In the absence of a genuine high class spinner, Cook is bowling Anderson and Broad into the ground and it's still only the second Test.

Anderson 104 overs so far in the series.
Broad 93 overs so far.

Can't see them lasting all 5 Tests.

Gerry SA wrote:It's such a shame for England that Monty Panesar's career has unravelled.

In the absence of a genuine high class spinner, Cook is bowling Anderson and Broad into the ground and it's still only the second Test.

Anderson 104 overs so far in the series.
Broad 93 overs so far.

Can't see them lasting all 5 Tests.

I have to agree, and I think it might be worth resting one, if not both for the next test match.

moeen Ali is the shieet. He can totally bowl...

KP_F explodes as Binny is out caught by Cook

That was some catch, and also MOEEN!!!!!!!

England on top, well on top.

Dhoni fails to show the technique for Test cricket yet again.

Stuart Binny, safe to say R Ashwin will replace him in Southampton, plays a terrible shot and gets a duck.

Poor poor shot from Binny under the circumstances. Good catch from Cook though. England well in front at the moment. India effectively 179-6.
Not expecting a lot from Jadeja here with the bat.

Just when you think one team might go ahead- they dont!

England will be fancying a chase of 190/225 now.

Absolute screamer of a catch by Cook though. He's taking wickets, taking catches... is there anything he can't do?

Gerry SA wrote:England will be fancying a chase of 190/225 now.  

In no innings this series so far has the bowling team manged to get the tail out quick.. infact i wouldn't be surprised if more runs had been scored after 6 overs than the first 6

He should be sent back to India on the very next flight. Awful thinking from Binny.

mystiroakey wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:England will be fancying a chase of 190/225 now.  

In no innings this series so far has the bowling team manged to get the tail out quick.. infact i wouldn't be surprised if more runs had been scored after 6 overs than the first 6

Second new ball might well be more difficult on this pitch my friend.

I agree Jadeja and Kumar can bat, but the new ball CAN go bang bang and India will be in ruins.

Mr. Jadeja, I wonder this boy has scored three FC triple hunderd doesnot know how to bat in a test match. God save India.