2014 Summer Transfer Window Thread

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu Jul 17, 2014 8:50 pm

First topic message reminder :

Brighton are gonna sign Chris O'Grady to replace Ulloa

Oh the lolz

by Hammersmith harrier Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:57 pm

Mata will definitely be in our first 11 Ent, he'll play the Sneijder role with Rooney and RVP up top, you're far too pessimistic.

Until the transfer window has closed we have no real idea what the team will be, personally think we'll set up 4-4-3 long term. LVG is experimenting a bit in preseason I feel.

by Ent Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:48 pm

Could well be but if he goes 352 I think that is what will happen long term, not what I want to happen.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:31 am

If he's playing 3412 then Rooney's play will make that a 3421 at times too. I don't think they'll get overpowered in midfield because they'll have players moving well for the ball and Rooney naturally dipping in to add strength. Mata and Rooney are a pair that should work very well together in that regard.

by Guest Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:14 am

According to reports in Italy Juventus have already started looking for Vidals replacement after United tabled a £45m offer, crazy money

In contrasting reports he's been pictured arriving at training this mornimg back from his holiday to undergo his preseason fitness tests and a story saying he'll not be going anywhere

I expect this transfer should reach some sort of conclusion this week

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:29 am

Spot on Dolph, with the attacking talent we have the 3-5-2 formation will be more fluid and interchangeable, the Dutch had a lot of serviceable players in the side.

by super_realist Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:48 am

Didn't sound like Toure had a good reason for "disliking" his employers.

Just another footballing bell end

on another note. 16m for an embryo like Chambers? Christ. Another case of being English inflating the price. He'd be about £3m from anywhere else.

by **hampo17** Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:53 am

BBC reporting that Roma want £79m for Strootman, crazy money.

by Fernando Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:59 am

super_realist wrote:Didn't sound like Toure had a good reason for "disliking" his employers.

Just another footballing bell end

on another note. 16m for an embryo like Chambers? Christ. Another case of being English inflating the price. He'd be about £3m from anywhere else.

It's 8m + Add Ons. 3m for when he gets his 1st England cap, 3m after 50 appearances, 2m if wins a trophy

Essentially 14m drumroll

by Guest Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:00 am

LVG will wait until January for Strootman, needs to prove his fitness, so it's all pointless these figures of £79m. If a deal is ever done, will be significantly cheaper.

Chambers could be a right back for 10 years, just like Shaw. It's not even £16m up front either. Debuchy is a short term option & can't defend, I could see Chambers showing his class straight away, forcing his way into the starting XI & then Debuchy will start pining to be with Cabaye again.

by Fernando Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:18 pm

Stefan De Vrij to Lazio for 6.7m

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:36 pm

Fernando wrote:
super_realist wrote:Didn't sound like Toure had a good reason for "disliking" his employers.

Just another footballing bell end

on another note. 16m for an embryo like Chambers? Christ. Another case of being English inflating the price. He'd be about £3m from anywhere else.

It's 8m + Add Ons. 3m for when he gets his 1st England cap, 3m after 50 appearances, 2m if wins a trophy

Essentially 14m

The community shield next week could prove costly if we win it then

by The Special Juan Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:41 pm

Genuine serious question - Would that count?

by DP Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:58 pm

Ask Moyes.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:28 pm

The Special Juan wrote:Genuine serious question - Would that count?

They probably stipulated which trophies count in the contract, doubt they would include the community shield but you never know.

by Derbymanc Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:51 pm

Not in a million years TSJ, otherwise you'd be able to include the trophy's they get for the friendly tournaments.

by The Special Juan Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:01 pm

Fair enough, cheers guys

by Guest Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:01 pm

super_realist wrote:Didn't sound like Toure had a good reason for "disliking" his employers.

Just another footballing bell end

on another note. 16m for an embryo like Chambers? Christ. Another case of being English inflating the price. He'd be about £3m from anywhere else.

Interesting that if Rodgers spends that kind of money he's pi$$ing it down the drain whereas Wenger doesn't get anywhere near the same level of criticism.

by monty junior Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:03 pm

Tony Watt in Belgium for talks with Standard Liege, good to see another young Scot move abroad after Gaulds move to Sporting Lisbon. Now he will get first team football and the chance to start in the Champions League.

by The Special Juan Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:43 pm

monty junior wrote:Tony Watt in Belgium for talks with Standard Liege, good to see another young Scot move abroad after Gaulds move to Sporting Lisbon. Now he will get first team football and the chance to start in the Champions League.

I'm very surprised at that but think it will be a good move. I really hope more young players from the home nations go abroad. I think one of the reasons why our national teams lag behind is that all players play in one league and the only time they experience a different style of football is for their international team (or European club football for a select few).

by monty junior Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:04 pm

Our hoofball tactics are just horrible and so outdated, you need to have some technical ability and they won't learn that in the reserves of a PL team. So agreed it's a good move, it also exposes them to other countries who scout Belgium and Portugal which opens up moves to Spain,Germany and Italy if they do well. Robertson off to Hull is a decent move, just hope he gets so game time, think it's a season too early.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:54 pm

Rodriguez and Schneiderlin close to Spurs reportedly

by GSC Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:59 pm

Maybe Blackpool and Southampton can agree a merger and compete as Blackhampton next season?

by Guest Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:20 pm

Anyone see the Griezmann to Atletico deal. Nice business.

by monty junior Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:33 pm

Yea if anything the guys they have brought in are an improvement on what they had, Griezmann is a great signing and a real show of intent. Athletico always seem to do very well with the money at their disposal.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:40 pm

Indeed. Mandzukic, Siqueira and Greizemann, acted decisively with the keeper situation too, show a complete lack of panic and good business.

And I think they are still in profit this window

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:16 pm

Southampton only have Boruc, Wanyama and Ramirez of their first team left haven't they?

Not sure who mentioned it but if their players were that good they would have finished higher than 9th, got a feeling the top teams are going to regret their buys.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:23 pm

Spurs aren't a top team, so its fine.

by Ent Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:48 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Southampton only have Boruc, Wanyama and Ramirez of their first team left haven't they?

Not sure who mentioned it but if their players were that good they would have finished higher than 9th, got a feeling the top teams are going to regret their buys.

The reported fee for schneiderlein is absolutely ridiculous.

by Guest Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:57 pm

What's the Schneiderlin fee?

Everton just announced Besic.Plays either Cetre back or defensive midfielder

by Nakatomi Plaza Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:00 pm

There was talk that Southampton wouldn't accept less than £27 million for him.

by Ent Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:21 pm

They've got great fees for every player.

Made 12 million on Lovren in 1 year.

by Fernando Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:22 pm

Their all replaceable with the prices they got for the players.

by Ent Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:25 pm

Definitely, just wonder if they are having too big a shift in playing staff.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:38 pm

Its easy saying they are replaceable, theyve got to find the players yet. And all of them have to work individually, and they've all got to gel. With a new manager and a club that feels its ambition draining.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:40 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Its easy saying they are replaceable, theyve got to find the players yet. And all of them have to work individually, and they've all got to gel. With a new manager and a club that feels its ambition draining.

if you were in charge of transfers at southampton which sales would you not have agreed to?

by Ent Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:40 pm

Absolutely dolph, all the individual deals look sound - it's when you look at them all together it's a big worry.

by **Hero** Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:02 pm

It is like they're playing Football Manager, great amount of profit but big risk on the new team they make with the cash gelling quickly.

by Nakatomi Plaza Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:47 pm

The Telegraph are reporting that West Ham have agreed a deal with Arsenal to take Carl Jenkinson on a season long loan.

by Lowlandbrit Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:50 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Its easy saying they are replaceable, theyve got to find the players yet. And all of them have to work individually, and they've all got to gel. With a new manager and a club that feels its ambition draining.

And everyone knows they have money now (and need players).

by Fernando Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:51 pm

Not going to lie im fairly happy he is off on Loan. Apart from crossing a ball he's pretty awful.

by Guest Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:16 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Its easy saying they are replaceable, theyve got to find the players yet. And all of them have to work individually, and they've all got to gel. With a new manager and a club that feels its ambition draining.

if you were in charge of transfers at southampton which sales would you not have agreed to?

Lambert - agreed (pretty average, old & easily replaceable. Expect him to be found out under the demands of playing for Liverpool)
Shaw - agreed (ridiculous fee for the lad, you can't reject that fee)
Chambers - reject (what is it, £12m + add ons?) Not sure that's a great deal. Keep him on for another year, see him improve & build his reputation further)
Lovren - agreed (six months he was very good but then went AWOL. He's not the class centre back some pundits got carried away with & making £10m on him in one year is very good business.
Schneiderlin - agree (if they get anywhere near £27m for him, that is RIDICULOUS......SNAP HAND OFF)
Rodriguez - reject (good player, under-rated)
Lallana - agree (pretty footballer but at £25m you have to accept that. In my opinion, not good enough for a top, top club. Tadic is cheaper, arguably better & can score more goals)

I agreed to five, think Hammersmith said, if they can only manage eighth in the league says something about how good they really are, in what was a poor season for United etc. Agree with DZ, replacements can be found, as Tadic/Pelle have shown but a mass overhaul might blow up & end up like Spurs but worse.

Replacements can be found.Tasic is probably superior to Lallana & has an eye for goals. In terms of creativity, probably equal with Lallana. Pelle has been signed too & should do a job.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:26 pm

John wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Its easy saying they are replaceable, theyve got to find the players yet. And all of them have to work individually, and they've all got to gel. With a new manager and a club that feels its ambition draining.

if you were in charge of transfers at southampton which sales would you not have agreed to?

Lambert - agreed (pretty average, old & easily replaceable. Expect him to be found out under the demands of playing for Liverpool)
Shaw - agreed (ridiculous fee for the lad, you can't reject that fee)
Chambers - reject (what is it, £12m + add ons?) Not sure that's a great deal. Keep him on for another year, see him improve & build his reputation further)
Lovren - agreed (six months he was very good but then went AWOL. He's not the class centre back some pundits got carried away with & making £10m on him in one year is very good business.
Schneiderlin - agree (if they get anywhere near £27m for him, that is RIDICULOUS......SNAP HAND OFF)
Rodriguez - reject (good player, under-rated)
Lallana - agree (pretty footballer but at £25m you have to accept that. In my opinion, not good enough for a top, top club. Tadic is cheaper, arguably better & can score more goals)

I agreed to five, think Hammersmith said, if they can only manage eighth in the league says something about how good they really are, in what was a poor season for United etc. Agree with DZ, replacements can be found, as Tadic/Pelle have shown but a mass overhaul might blow up & end up like Spurs but worse.

Replacements can be found.Tasic is probably superior to Lallana & has an eye for goals. In terms of creativity, probably equal with Lallana. Pelle has been signed too & should do a job.

How much is the rodriguez deal going for?

I would agree with you on the sales etc on all except rodriguez depending on the amount.

by Fernando Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:35 pm

Morgan Schneiderlin has turned down a move to Arsenal. Wants a guaranteed starting role.

LOL can't hack competition should be perfect for Spurs Whistle

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:37 pm

I don't think the issue is Southampton selling them but more the teams buying them, judging by their league position they aren't top four standard players. Also have to factor in the team ethic, the majority had been playing together for years through the division, individually I don't think any of them are that good.

by Guest Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:39 pm

LVG ready to listen to offers for Kagawa, Nani and Anderson

He's also ready to let Fellaini go with Napoli lining up a 15 million pound offer

by Hammersmith harrier Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:49 pm

No not Kagawa, I think he and Mata together could be deadly, the other three well good riddance. A smaller world class squad would be more beneficial.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:04 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Its easy saying they are replaceable, theyve got to find the players yet. And all of them have to work individually, and they've all got to gel. With a new manager and a club that feels its ambition draining.

if you were in charge of transfers at southampton which sales would you not have agreed to?

Well, I'd have taken a round picture on things. Individually the deals look great, but what price their reputation, what price to build a whole new team etc etc

I'd certainly be looking at Chambers, Schneiderlin and Rodriguez and thinking "enough is enough". I'd at least had replacements lined up first.

They now have (exlcuding Schneidy and Rod):

Boruc
Clyne Fonte Hooiveld Yoshida
Wanyama Cork Davis
Ramirez Pelle Tadic

I'd imagine they had wanted to upgrade in centre back even before Lovren went so lets say they need at least a left back, a spare right back, 2 centre backs, two central midfielders, a playmaker, a striker and a winger or two.

Say they need 8 and they cover the other gaps. 8 players. Or they can keep Ramirez and Osvaldo, although I don't see both staying. My shopping list would include:

Vlaar, Zaha, Borini, Holtby, Delph, Fer, Clasie. Probably more from abroad and the Keoman knows, but I dont have the knowledge or effort

Whilst I understand the fees themselves are a lot of money, you wouldnt say the same if Barca came in at the end of July and tried to buy Walcott, Ramsey, Koscielny, Gibbs, Wilshere, Santi, Ozil and Giroud.

by Guest Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:06 pm

Italian media reporting that Vidals agent has arrived in italy fuelling speculation that the midfielder may be about to request to leave the club

Juventus had earlier they did not want to lose the midfielder, but would entertain offers (and fairly big omes) if the player himself asked for a transfer

by Ent Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:06 pm

Anderson no surprise.

Kagawa is one of the biggest myths in football.

Nani a little disappointed in, but van gaal wants players with brains and he doesn't have one.

Fellaini well he has to go down as one of our worst ever signings and everyone knew he was crap. 12 million loss on him, staggering.

Leaves squad very light on numbers if they all go so must be going to bring some people in.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:10 pm

All the papers and Sky think we'll have Jenkinson. I'm not a huge fan but at the same time I'm happy; he's only getting in the team if he outperforms one of our most solid performers in the past two years in Demel, and as its a loan we can arrange a fee next summer if its worked or dump him if not. Puts us in pole position to sign someone who could be our right back for the next 8 years.

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