2014 Summer Transfer Window Thread

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

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Brighton are gonna sign Chris O'Grady to replace Ulloa

Oh the lolz

[Crimey]

Dont Liverpool have another Cissokho, or someone that sounds similar?

He was on loan last year, he was seriously awful.

[socal1976]

Yes they develop a lot of their own stars

This would be the club that struggled to find spots for the likes of Pique, Rossi and Pogba? The only youth players that break through at United now are defenders that end up at midtable sides a few years later. There's just too much money and pressure involved to take a big risk.

Totally agree, United used to do a lot more developing of home grown talent back in the 90s. Now they basically wait to see what player at a mid level team has a break out year in the premier league and they buy him (berbatov, rooney, carrick, RVP etc). But without the Don Sir Alex and CL football they will have a tougher time of grabbing the biggest names.

[GSC]

Surely if they're buying breakout players from mid table sides, they aren't trying to sign the biggest names anyway?

[socal1976]

Surely if they're buying breakout players from mid table sides, they aren't trying to sign the biggest names anyway?

Rooney and RVP are a little different though, United at the time paid the biggest transfer fee in history for a teenager when they signed Rooney and RVP was a proven world class striker, shouldn't have included him in the mid table thing as Arsenal were better than that.

[socal1976]

Jab Machine is correct to say that RVP, Mata, Veron, Van Nistelroy, or even Rooney were big buys and marquee signings at the time they were made. Everyone and their mother in world football wanted Rooney and United paid big bucks in those days and beat out a lot of big clubs for Rooney. Van Nistelroy was the best player in the dutch league and a star when he came and RVP was one of the best strikers in the world when United purchased him as a 28 year old youngster.

A 28 year-old youngster?

I keep having to explain sarcasm to you Duty. The whole idea that United develops their own young players and doesn't make big buys or marquee signings to me is a bit off the mark. Yes they develop a lot of their own stars but they aren't above plucking other teams star players once they are well into their careers and established. (ie the 28 year old youngster comment in regards to RVP)

It's difficult to know what sarcasm is with you.

I would have thought "Aaron Lennon is an England regular", " Aaron Ramsey is the best midfielder in the world", and "England's win in 1966 was deserved, yet a fluke", were all sarcasm but, no, you were being serious.

How is anyone meant to know the difference?

England's world cup win in 66 was a fluke, Aaron Lennon had 35 some odd caps for England, and Aaron Ramsey last year was the best central midfielder in the world if you count Ronaldo and Messi as forwards.

[socal1976]

Jab Machine is correct to say that RVP, Mata, Veron, Van Nistelroy, or even Rooney were big buys and marquee signings at the time they were made. Everyone and their mother in world football wanted Rooney and United paid big bucks in those days and beat out a lot of big clubs for Rooney. Van Nistelroy was the best player in the dutch league and a star when he came and RVP was one of the best strikers in the world when United purchased him as a 28 year old youngster.

No they wern't marquee siginings   

According to the Mancs these a big signings who cost alot of money.

I have to say LFC have the best chants, there is that one famous chant of their's, but my personal favorite is: "we only hate Mancs, we only hate Mancs, were not racists, we only hate Mancs." Freaking hilarious. PS I don't hate Mancs, but I think that is pretty funny.

[Duty281]

Jab Machine is correct to say that RVP, Mata, Veron, Van Nistelroy, or even Rooney were big buys and marquee signings at the time they were made. Everyone and their mother in world football wanted Rooney and United paid big bucks in those days and beat out a lot of big clubs for Rooney. Van Nistelroy was the best player in the dutch league and a star when he came and RVP was one of the best strikers in the world when United purchased him as a 28 year old youngster.

A 28 year-old youngster?

I keep having to explain sarcasm to you Duty. The whole idea that United develops their own young players and doesn't make big buys or marquee signings to me is a bit off the mark. Yes they develop a lot of their own stars but they aren't above plucking other teams star players once they are well into their careers and established. (ie the 28 year old youngster comment in regards to RVP)

It's difficult to know what sarcasm is with you.

I would have thought "Aaron Lennon is an England regular", " Aaron Ramsey is the best midfielder in the world", and "England's win in 1966 was deserved, yet a fluke", were all sarcasm but, no, you were being serious.

How is anyone meant to know the difference?

England's world cup win in 66 was a fluke, Aaron Lennon had 35 some odd caps for England, and Aaron Ramsey last year was the best central midfielder in the world if you count Ronaldo and Messi as forwards.

21 caps for Aaron Lennon unless, of course, you're being sarcastic again.

[Soldier_Of_Fortune]

Jab Machine is correct to say that RVP, Mata, Veron, Van Nistelroy, or even Rooney were big buys and marquee signings at the time they were made. Everyone and their mother in world football wanted Rooney and United paid big bucks in those days and beat out a lot of big clubs for Rooney. Van Nistelroy was the best player in the dutch league and a star when he came and RVP was one of the best strikers in the world when United purchased him as a 28 year old youngster.

No they wern't marquee siginings   

According to the Mancs these a big signings who cost alot of money.

I have to say LFC have the best chants, there is that one famous chant of their's, but my personal favorite is: "we only hate Mancs, we only hate Mancs, were not racists, we only hate Mancs." Freaking hilarious. PS I don't hate Mancs, but I think that is pretty funny.

Yer we do come up with some good chats. Even have some ready for players even before they have signed.

[GSC]

How is somebody who played 23 league games last season the best CM in the world that season?

What a ridiculously homerish statement

[Guest]

Jab Machine is correct to say that RVP, Mata, Veron, Van Nistelroy, or even Rooney were big buys and marquee signings at the time they were made. Everyone and their mother in world football wanted Rooney and United paid big bucks in those days and beat out a lot of big clubs for Rooney. Van Nistelroy was the best player in the dutch league and a star when he came and RVP was one of the best strikers in the world when United purchased him as a 28 year old youngster.

No they wern't marquee siginings   

According to the Mancs these a big signings who cost alot of money.

I have to say LFC have the best chants, there is that one famous chant of their's, but my personal favorite is: "we only hate Mancs, we only hate Mancs, were not racists, we only hate Mancs." Freaking hilarious. PS I don't hate Mancs, but I think that is pretty funny.

Yer we do come up with some good chats. Even have some ready for players even before they have signed.

Shame he'll never get to hear "Messi, Messi, he runs like a great big Jessie!"

[Hammersmith harrier]

I do find it funny how C_S and Socal are contradicting themselves so much, first of all we only buy players from lower sides after they've performed well and then they constantly bleat on about us not being able to attract the best players. Which is it?

[GSC]

The trick I find is to take neither seriously.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I'd love us to go out and buy Vidal and Hummels with possibly Di Maria but it's not really what we do and we could buy all three without having to worry about money. We are in such a strong position financially, we make over £100mil operating profit year in, year out while the interest on our debt is falling each year.

[socal1976]

Jab Machine is correct to say that RVP, Mata, Veron, Van Nistelroy, or even Rooney were big buys and marquee signings at the time they were made. Everyone and their mother in world football wanted Rooney and United paid big bucks in those days and beat out a lot of big clubs for Rooney. Van Nistelroy was the best player in the dutch league and a star when he came and RVP was one of the best strikers in the world when United purchased him as a 28 year old youngster.

No they wern't marquee siginings   

According to the Mancs these a big signings who cost alot of money.

I have to say LFC have the best chants, there is that one famous chant of their's, but my personal favorite is: "we only hate Mancs, we only hate Mancs, were not racists, we only hate Mancs." Freaking hilarious. PS I don't hate Mancs, but I think that is pretty funny.

Yer we do come up with some good chats. Even have some ready for players even before they have signed.

Shame he'll never get to hear "Messi, Messi, he runs like a great big Jessie!"

That is freaking great, I love it

[socal1976]

I do find it funny how C_S and Socal are contradicting themselves so much, first of all we only buy players from lower sides after they've performed well and then they constantly bleat on about us not being able to attract the best players. Which is it?

What contradiction so making Rooney the most expensive teenager in history at the time or taking Holland's starting striker from Arsenal aren't marquee signings? What are they then? I suppose they are the equivalent of getting Sanogo on a free then.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Well done you can think of one marquee signing we've made from a top side who lets be honest we financially dominate, the moment we start forcing the European elite to sell their star players you might have a point but that won't be happening.

[GSC]

Nah they got value for RVP, rather than overpaying for Sanogo

[socal1976]

HH, ManU pretty much financially dominate everyone other than Barca and Real. That is part of my point, they buy big name players from big clubs and it isn't just RVP. It isn't a regular occurrence, I'll grant you that. But it happens often enough. Well if what we hear about Vidal is true there isn't a much bigger signing out there, and Juve I think would qualify as European elite under anyone's criteria.

[Hammersmith harrier]

What are these other examples then?

Either way Socal you'll be proved wrong hence the contradiction.

[GSC]

Juve aren't among the elite anymore

[Hammersmith harrier]

Who are the elite and who are marquee players?

[GSC]

The CL contenders are elite and players among the best at their position are marquee signings imo

[socal1976]

What are these other examples then?

Either way Socal you'll be proved wrong hence the contradiction.

Do you United buy players off of Barca, Bayern, or Real; no not usually. But they have made big purchases of big time players from other large clubs. Veron was a long time ago back when Parma was an Italian contender, RVP from Arsenal, Ruud was the Dutch player of the year and was bought for 19 million pounds in 2000. 19 million pounds 14 years ago with football transfer fee inflation is the equivalent 50 or 60 million pound transfer today. Football transfer fee inflation isn't like regular inflation.

[socal1976]

The CL contenders are elite and players among the best at their position are marquee signings imo

Then I suppose Bale for 100 million plus Euros would not qualify as a marquee transfer as he came from lowly Spurs. Or Neymar nearly as expensive either, that isn't marquee because it isn't from Bayern, Barca, or Real. What about Mata then for nearly 40 million pounds from Chelsea, that isn't marquee either?

[Hammersmith harrier]

Over a 20 year period you've managed to come up with three examples and transfer inflation doesn't work like that, it takes into account a variety of variables, it isn't a set figure.

For instance we paid £30mil for Ferdinand in 2002 but he wouldn't cost £90mil today would he nor would Hummels a relatively similar player cost much more if any more.

[socal1976]

Check that Juan Veron for 28 million pounds back in 2001! That is freaking crazy money for a football transfer back then. And my bad, he went from Parma to Lazio, then to United.

[socal1976]

Over a 20 year period you've managed to come up with three examples and transfer inflation doesn't work like that, it takes into account a variety of variables, it isn't a set figure.

For instance we paid £30mil for Ferdinand in 2002 but he wouldn't cost £90mil today would he nor would Hummels a relatively similar player cost much more if any more.

So maybe I am missing the big picture what is your point, that United don't make marquee signings on a regular basis is that the point you are trying to make? Because it doesn't jive with the facts.

[GSC]

The CL contenders are elite and players among the best at their position are marquee signings imo

Then I suppose Bale for 100 million plus Euros would not qualify as a marquee transfer as he came from lowly Spurs. Or Neymar nearly as expensive either, that isn't marquee because it isn't from Bayern, Barca, or Real. What about Mata then for nearly 40 million pounds from Chelsea, that isn't marquee either?

That would be implying I think the two are not mutually exclusive. Generally the best players play for the best clubs so skews it.

Mata wasn't a marquee signing. Wasn't one of the best players in the world at the time and his own club didn't want him. Vidal would be a marquee signing.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I suppose Veron would cost about £80mil today then Socal?

[socal1976]

He was the biggest transfer in English football history at the time HH. A stupid buy as he was a giant flop at United but he was considered a world class player at the time of the buy and was a fixed regular for the argies.

[Hammersmith harrier]

It wasn't exactly a stupid buy now was it but how much would it cost to sign him today?

[The Special Juan]

This is the worst conversation I've ever seen.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I'm putting him back on the foe list, he brings the worst out in me.

[socal1976]

How would I know what that type of player would go in the marketplace today although I can say is that it was the most expensive purchase in the history of the league. And United also bought Ferdinand and made him the most expensive defender in the history of world football. And Rooney who at the time was the most expensive teenager in world football. And they recently bought Mata 40 million pounds and are a couple years out of having bought RVP for 30 some odd million pounds. So where is this idea coming from that United don't make marquee signings. Who exactly are you comparing them to?

[socal1976]

I'm putting him back on the foe list, he brings the worst out in me.

Oh no I won't be able to live without your wit and charm. Please don't!

[Ent]

Considering this conversation has been had in depth and essentially resolved I fail to see its purpose.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

This is the worst conversation I've ever seen.

Even worse than my grant Holt for England campaign

[Fernando]

This is the worst conversation I've ever seen.

Even worse than my grant Holt for England campaign

There was nothing worse then that but it was on a fair reasoning with him being one of the PL higher scorers at the time.

This however just makes me want to hang myself and hope that Adam gets hammered and bans them or we have a whip round for him to do that   

[compelling and rich]

we've never bought big marquee signings from abroad, isnt that the original point? veron being the only one really, someone was talking nonsense yesterday saying stam was already best defender in the world when we signed him he had two years at psv thats it   , nobody had heard of him. weve bought big from domestic but have never really been massive contenders on the continent

not sure arsenal fans can whinge about buying youngsters for money from domestic clubs when theyve done similar with ox, walcott, the mighty jeffers, ramsey

[Ent]

The point that has been badly lost somewhere is that not being in the cl isn't going to effect us buying the best players in the world because we've never really done it.

No one is disputing it will effect our pull.

[compelling and rich]

yeah cant disagree with that point ent, perhaps only rvp can be suggested as a signing who's been up there as best in the world category when we signed him

[The Special Juan]

This is the worst conversation I've ever seen.

Even worse than my grant Holt for England campaign

Nando's right, there was a basis for that point!!

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

This is the worst conversation I've ever seen.

Even worse than my grant Holt for England campaign

Nando's right, there was a basis for that point!!

I'll maintain to the day I die he woz robbed 

Not like he'd have played or anything but still

[Soldier_Of_Fortune]

someone was talking nonsense yesterday saying stam was already best defender in the world when we signed him he had two years at psv thats it

   


You must be takin the piddle now or am showing my age. Stam was lauded as one of the worlds best BEFORE he signed for United.

Stop making out that your buy turds and polish them into diamonds.

You paid over £10mill pound for a CB in '98. In todays terms thats over £30mill (in terms of inflation and also the averge cost of a player rising considerably since)

[westisbest]

Dont Liverpool have another Cissokho, or someone that sounds similar?

 that is Aly Cissokho    I suspect you may have though of Momo Sissoko  

 
Ah yes, Sissoko, thats the one I was thinking of.
 
Cheers.
 
Cant say I've heard of Cissokho.

[Ent]

someone was talking nonsense yesterday saying stam was already best defender in the world when we signed him he had two years at psv thats it

   


You must be takin the piddle now or am showing my age. Stam was lauded as one of the worlds best BEFORE he signed for United.

Stop making out that your buy turds and polish them into diamonds.

You paid over £10mill pound for a CB in '98. In todays terms thats over £30mill (in terms of inflation and also the averge cost of a player rising considerably since)

Stam was 26 and had only played top level football for 3 seasons.

Anelka skinned him in the charity shield and everyone thought he was a donkey.

In 98 nesta, costacurta, thuram, desailly, canavaro amongst many others were playing. Jaap wasn't considered one of the best centre halfs in the world.

Anyway even if he was that is one example 16 years ago- fantastic, well done.

[GSC]

Don't see how Stam would be 30m+ nowadays when Suarez wasn't. Think RVN is the record sell and even he wasn't 30m.

[GSC]

United end their interest in Vermaelen conveniently around the same time Barca make a bid.

[Ent]

To be fair he/wenger have been dragging the arse out of it for ages - if barca are now in no point wasting anymore time.

I'm delighted, he's gash.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Where did you read that GSC? Good news if it's true.

Looks like Blind could be on the move, able to play in the two positions we need cover so would be a good fit.

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