Hungarian GP Thread (Contains Quali/Race spoilers) - Sponsored by who cares

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First topic message reminder :

Track: Hungaroring. Permanent circuit.

Race start time: 1pm UK time Sunday (2pm local).

Laps: 70.

Track length: 4.381 km.

Tyre allocation: Medium (white) and soft (yellow).

DRS Zones: Two with one detection point – pit straight and between Turns One and Two.

Driver steward: Emanuele Pirro.

Lap record: Michael Schumacher - 1:19.071 (Ferrari; 2004).

2013 pole: Lewis Hamilton - 1:19.388 (Mercedes).

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Thursday 24th July
2pm - Drivers' Press Conference

Friday 25th July
8.45am – Hungarian GP Practice One
12.45pm – Hungarian GP Practice Two

Saturday 26th July
9.45am – Hungarian GP Practice Three
12pm – Hungarian GP Qualifying

Sunday 27th July
12pm - The 2014 Hungarian GP – Race

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Lewis Hamilton is tied with Michael Schumacher as the most successful driver of all-time in Hungary having won the race on four occasions. The Mercedes man broke his duck for the Silver Arrows at the Hungaroing last year and another win in 2014 would make it three in a row at the venue.

Jenson Button is the only other current driver to have won the race on multiple occasions, whilst Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen have also both stood atop the podium in 2003 and 2005 respectively.

2013 result: 1. Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes); 2. Kimi Raikkonen (Lotus); 3. Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull); 4. Mark Webber (Red Bull); 5. Fernando Alonso (Ferrari); 6. Romain Grosjean (Lotus); 7. Jenson Button (McLaren); 8. Felipe Massa (Ferrari); 9. Sergio Perez (McLaren); 10. Pastor Maldonado (Lotus).

Last five winners in Hungary: 2013: Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes); 2012: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren); 2011: Jenson Button (McLaren); 2010: Mark Webber (Red Bull); 2009: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren).

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Pirelli will bring the white-marked medium and yellow-banded soft tyres to the Hungaroring, as was the case in 2013.

“The Hungaroring is a relatively slow-speed track, but the race is often run in hot conditions, increasing the work on the tyres. To provide a wide working range and increase opportunities for strategy, the medium and the soft tyres will be brought to Hungary.,” the Italian firm said.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Rosberg properly screwed by this safety car

Grosjean crashes under the safety car, what a douche

[mystiroakey]

Rosberg properly screwed by this safety car

Grosjean crashes under the safety car, what a douche

oh what a shame   

yep - how is that even possible

[Gerry SA]

Rosberg's rear brakes are smoking away....

[Gerry SA]

Ricciardo getting lucky again...

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He should fly through the pack, his cars much quicker than anyone elses.

[mystiroakey]

Button takes Riccardo- come on!

[mystiroakey]

Hamilton has taken 4 cars in 30 secs!

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Rosbergs brakes are gone

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Maldonado has to be the worst driver in F1

[mystiroakey]

Rosbergs breaks are fine- but no real pace in his merc. LH all over Vettel but cant get past. LH needs rosberg to get faster so he can get DRS without Vettel having it!

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

There's something up with his car if he can't clear the toro Rossi considering he was 2 secs a lap quicker than earlier

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Perez big crash

[mystiroakey]

yep his pace has gone, but breaks seem ok.

Another SC though!!

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Slow stop for Rosberg, thought they only did that for Hamilton #HAMILTONCONSPIRACY

[GSC]

Yes, the Hamilton bad luck brigade are quieter I suspect

[mystiroakey]

what are you talking about. But great racing from lewis

[bogbrush]

Yes, the Hamilton bad luck brigade are quieter I suspect

The safety car will be wiped from records, surely you know only Hamilton gets screwed by bad luck.

(Note: qualy bad luck now wiped from effect as race luck switches it round).

[mystiroakey]

LH better not let him through- No point - he would never let a non team mate through. He may have to change his tyres himself.!


Merc have said throughout we will let them race- Well let them race

[mystiroakey]

insane orders given to LH- Rosberg isnt even in DRS zone!!

he is past a second behind

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

They're on different strategies mysti, Hamilton's got a whole pitstop on Rosberg, let him through and worry about his own race

His tyres will last

[mystiroakey]

it doesnt matter Olly- its crazy to let someone through that isnt gaining!

They have the championship to deal with- MERC have won the team champ whatever, Lewis has to be as fast as possible to try and win the race!

[mystiroakey]

He is now 1.5 seconds behind!

insanity to let him through

he would then lose 4 seconds on riccardo minimum on the slow down and then turbulent air

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Dont understand why Mercedes are gonna keep Rosberg on soft tyres out till the end

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Oh he's in, far too late

[mystiroakey]

If LH had let rosberg through- Riccardo would have won this race.

Ricardo would have probably already overtaken him.

[GSC]

Mercedes look after Mercedes first, then the drivers. They aren't cruising 30 seconds ahead of the field so they need to maximise the points they take. Of course Hamilton is told to let his teammate on a different strategy past, thats just basic F1.

[mystiroakey]

no its not basic F1 its insane F1


LH and MERC  has a chance to win this race now- but wouldn't have had a shot before.

Protecting Merc is letting LH race as fast as he can. Rosberg hard no pace to catch him

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Would've been basic F1 if it was Hamilton behind Rosberg of course...

[Hulking_up]

What a finish we have in store.

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Now, now Olly.

[sportform]

Barring a mistake I think it will stay Alonso, Hamilton and Ricciardo.

[sportform]

Great drive by Ricciardo.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Alonso what a drive

[mystiroakey]

Great race- Well played LH.

[Hulking_up]

3 really good races in a row and now we go on a summer break dammit.

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Now could Rosberg had won the race had he not been held up in the dirty air  

[mystiroakey]

Would've been basic F1 if it was Hamilton behind Rosberg of course...

what when your teammate isnt even within DRS- no dont be silly. 

Merc messed up worrying about that rather than getting Rosberg in earlier

[mystiroakey]

Now could Rosberg had won the race had he not been held up in the dirty air  

he could have done if they pitted him earlier yes!

[Gerry SA]

Fernando Alonso once again shows why he's the best driver on the grid, by a country mile.

Ricciardo lucked out with the first SC by fair play to him for taking his chance.

Unlucky Rosberg dominating the race until the first SC.

[CaledonianCraig]

What a fabulous race.

Great drives by Alonso and Hamilton and well done to Ricciardo winning his second race of the season. Rosberg finished fourth after starting from pole in the fastest car on the grid - not what I want to see from a world champion elect to be honest.

Plenty of action and big crashes and with ten laps to go it was still anybody's race.

[sportform]

Just shows how average Vettel is when he doesn't have the best car and is under pressure.

Not sure Ricciardo 'lucked out' when he made an extra stop.

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Will be a frosty debrief in the Merc garage.

[CaledonianCraig]

Just shows how average Vettel is when he doesn't have the best car and is under pressure.

I agree and of course now that Adrian Newey's magic designs are no longer there. Ricciardo is wiping the floor with Vettel this season.

[mystiroakey]

Ricardo didnt luck out at all- yes perfect strategy which can be slightly lucky as no one truly knows how the tyres and weather will hold up.

You have to congratulate the top 3 imo. Great podium.

Rosberg's car may have been acting odd during the spell before his second pit- because he couldnt pass vern- that or he just isnt a natural overtaker!. LH passed him straight away. So something wasn't right there - that and too long a wait for his 3rd pitt cost him

[Guest]

Brilliant race, great drives from the podium boys. For all Hamiltons issues, Rosberg only leads by 11 points. That will hurt. Don't think the strategy argument is a big story, Toto Wolff blaming safety car for NR not winning. Rosberg had no pace all day & was nowhere near LH gearbox. Rosberg isn't a ruthless overtaker, unlike Hamilton. That move on Vergne was brilliant. Cracking stuff all round.

[Fernando]

Brilliant race, great drives from the podium boys. For all Hamiltons issues, Rosberg only leads by 11 points. That will hurt. Don't think the strategy argument is a big story, Toto Wolff blaming safety car for NR not winning. Rosberg had no pace all day & was nowhere near LH gearbox. Rosberg isn't a ruthless overtaker, unlike Hamilton. That move on Vergne was brilliant. Cracking stuff all round.

Well Toto ain't wrong he'd have been off into the distance but for the SC. What cost Rosberg wasn't his pace that was there as you can see by him reeling the front 3 in in 8 laps. Was having to go around again for the 1st SC which plonked him into the midfield. If he had kept infront their is was game over really so you can't say all the bad luck is going to Lewis now.

I suspect this will be roundly ignored or replied to in a stupid comment from someone with red tinted Hamilton glasses on. Hamilton fans don't like the truth without that 1st SC he'd have been a long way behind Nico.

[Bull]

Great race and well done to all the drivers.

[mystiroakey]

Brilliant race, great drives from the podium boys. For all Hamiltons issues, Rosberg only leads by 11 points. That will hurt. Don't think the strategy argument is a big story, Toto Wolff blaming safety car for NR not winning. Rosberg had no pace all day & was nowhere near LH gearbox. Rosberg isn't a ruthless overtaker, unlike Hamilton. That move on Vergne was brilliant. Cracking stuff all round.

Well Toto ain't wrong he'd have been off into the distance but for the SC. What cost Rosberg wasn't his pace that was there as you can see by him reeling the front 3 in in 8 laps. Was having to go around again for the 1st SC which plonked him into the midfield. If he had kept infront their is was game over really so you can't say all the bad luck is going to Lewis now.

I suspect this will be roundly ignored or replied to in a stupid comment from someone with red tinted Hamilton glasses on. Hamilton fans don't like the truth without that 1st SC he'd have been a long way behind Nico.

nando after the first SC Nico was 5th and LH was 13th

so come on lets not talk nonsense.

The SC may have cost him the race- but even at that point - he was still 8 ahead of his championship rival!!

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Brilliant race, great drives from the podium boys. For all Hamiltons issues, Rosberg only leads by 11 points. That will hurt. Don't think the strategy argument is a big story, Toto Wolff blaming safety car for NR not winning. Rosberg had no pace all day & was nowhere near LH gearbox. Rosberg isn't a ruthless overtaker, unlike Hamilton. That move on Vergne was brilliant. Cracking stuff all round.

Well Toto ain't wrong he'd have been off into the distance but for the SC. What cost Rosberg wasn't his pace that was there as you can see by him reeling the front 3 in in 8 laps. Was having to go around again for the 1st SC which plonked him into the midfield. If he had kept infront their is was game over really so you can't say all the bad luck is going to Lewis now.

I suspect this will be roundly ignored or replied to in a stupid comment from someone with red tinted Hamilton glasses on. Hamilton fans don't like the truth without that 1st SC he'd have been a long way behind Nico.

Cmon Nando let's not let the facts get in the way here

[dyrewolfe]

Wow - what a race! Variable conditions, crashes, safety cars...and plenty of overtaking. All boxes checked.

Another great drive by Ricciardo...don't know why I'm surprised anymore - this guy is clearly going to be a world champion in the not too distant future. Well-deserved win, though he obviously benefited from a race strategy that put him on relatively new soft tyres in the closing stages of the race, behind 2 drivers on much older tyres. Some credit to the team there as well.

Not so great for the usually faultless Vettel - very out of character to have that spin on the main straight...avoiding a repeat of Perez's crash by the narrowest of margins. Cost him a big chunk of points I feel.

Mixed race for Mercedes. Another fantastic recovery drive from Hamilton - must be pleased with 3rd after starting from the pit lane. Might have nicked 2nd from Alonso with better tyres. Rosberg's turn to have some bad luck with the first SC, losing the lead and having to play catch up. Good thinking from the team towards the end with the extra pit stop - he was catching Hamilton and Alonso hand over fist...just left it a few laps too late. Still 4th place will help maintain his championship lead.

Also glad Lewis ignored team orders to make way for Nico, given Rosberg wasn't even close enough to pass without Lewis slowing significantly. Could understand if he was obviously holding Nico up, but that wasn't the case. Hope there's no fall-out from that.

Great drive from Alonso too, helped by one of his famous quicksilver starts. Like Lewis he just didn't have the tyres at the end to fend off the charging Ricciardo. Still a 2nd place has to be seen almost as a win for Ferrari after their results of late. Decent drive by Kimi too for 6th after the blunder in quali left him starting 16th.

Have a feeling Williams will be disappointed. Massa only managed to finish 1 place above where he started and it looked like a strategy mistake cost Bottas several places, dropping from 3rd to finish 8th.

Another race to forget for McLaren with Button picking up a solitary point and Magnussen unable to get into the points. Horrible race for Lotus and Force India too, hit by crashes/retirements.

Worth noting both Marussia cars finished the race with Bianchi and Chilton 15 and 16th respectively.

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