Question of the Week: Terrorism

by Champagne_Socialist Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:27 pm

First topic message reminder :

It has been 13 years since the war on terror began so the question I want to ask is this: Has the war on terror made the world (most notably western countries) a safer place?

by Derbymanc Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:38 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14665953

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/911-conspiracies-debunked/#axzz39KsuN0am

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

oh and it's spelt charade not chirade Wink

by kingraf Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:41 pm

One of my bigger issues with 9/11 has been the way the buildings collapsed. Just about folded, from heat... Quite remarkable given the extended fireproofing on those buildings. Anyway, forgetting 9/11 conspiracies for a minute, and going back to the OP, well has the world become a better, safer place? Honestly I don't know, at home, I don't think there's been a massive difference... but when I go into Africa, as is my want, I think the changes post 9/11 are massive. Just seems like every second country is fighting a terrorist cell. It's atrocious. Saw this on the Daily Mail today, thought it quite relevant.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2714390/Dark-shadow-Great-War-Tomorrow-marks-100-years-Europe-plunged-war-end-wars-But-brilliant-analysis-argues-living-appalling-legacy-Ukraine-Gaza.html

Maybe it's been a ticking time bomb anyway, and even without 9/11 there would eventually have come an occasion which shook the very foundations of this world?

by ONETWOFOREVER Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:41 pm

Derbymanc wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14665953

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/911-conspiracies-debunked/#axzz39KsuN0am

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

oh and it's spelt charade not chirade

Read all that before. Will ignore debunking sites but the rest offer one version opposed to another. BOTH FEASABLE.

you believe what you want.

by Derbymanc Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:42 pm

Hahahahaha see told you Duty thumbsup

by Derbymanc Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:43 pm

I threw a couple of extra articles in their. One of them by an ex 9/11 conspiracy theorist that now says he was wrong.

by Duty281 Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:44 pm

Oh well, Derby, just leave OneTwo in his dream world.

He's happier there.

by Derbymanc Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:48 pm

Very true Duty, although Conspiracy theories/theorists fascinate me. How far do you have to push something until you finally admit your wrong (or probably wrong.)

Why do they all get so angry when someone won't see the world they see it?
If they put the same effort into doing some good rather than trying to convince everyone else they're wrong they could do some really positive things.

by ONETWOFOREVER Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:52 pm

I could post a hundred articles opposing your views but whats the point.

I'm not trying to convince you I just have my own opinion based on the nature of some administrations in the past and what they have done.

I questioned the reasons for the war in Iraq and called it out as lies from the start when we was bombared with lie after lie in the media and guess what I was right history has proven this. Multiple thousands of people killed off the back of a lie but this is a trivial matter for you. You seem to not be bothered with this fact, it does not disturb you one bit.

So good luck to you.

by Derbymanc Sun Aug 03, 2014 2:56 pm

Post me 1 by an experienced structural expert and i'll look at it.

Stop throwing around the phrase that people don't care, it makes you look like a nutjob that can't accept people don't agree with you

by Duty281 Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:00 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Very true Duty, although Conspiracy theories/theorists fascinate me. How far do you have to push something until you finally admit your wrong (or probably wrong.)

Why do they all get so angry when someone won't see the world they see it?
If they put the same effort into doing some good rather than trying to convince everyone else they're wrong they could do some really positive things.

Perhaps OneTwo could turn his mind to philosophy? Several open-ended questions there that I'm sure he would enjoy!

by ONETWOFOREVER Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:02 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Very true Duty, although Conspiracy theories/theorists fascinate me. How far do you have to push something until you finally admit your wrong (or probably wrong.)

Why do they all get so angry when someone won't see the world they see it?
If they put the same effort into doing some good rather than trying to convince everyone else they're wrong they could do some really positive things.

Perhaps OneTwo could turn his mind to philosophy? Several open-ended questions there that I'm sure he would enjoy!

I,m not a nutjob Duty I did not believe when people were saying that AIDS came from gays so I don't believe everything.

by Duty281 Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:59 pm

Of course you're not a nutjob; you're just vainly arguing in the face of some overwhelming evidence and logical reason without offering much in return.

by TopHat24/7 Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:16 am

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
Rowley wrote:Onetwo, am going home soon, but will check in later, in the meantime put together some evidence that you think points to government involvement. Convince me, am open to being turned round on this issue.

All you need is an open mind.

Isn't that the definition of 'gullable'?

And also points to, if anything, a lack of intelligence as you're simply asking questions without identifying answers or providing reasoning.

by TopHat24/7 Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:19 am

Derbymanc wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
Rowley wrote:What is interesting about Project MKUltra is it was apparently ended in 1973, and the first reports about it appeared in 1974. This does somewhat come back to the point many of us have made on here about how inefficient governments are at covering up their mistakes. Does make you wonder why they have bucked the trend of inefficiency for 9/11.

but they have not bucked anything. They have just flat out IGNORED and RUBBISHED attemps by academics, scientists, engineers and family members of the dead by hiding behind a veil of fear and patriotism.

Many 9-11 truth seekers are ready to take the matter to a court of law but the government won't allow it.

why?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAWHAHAHWHAHAHAHAHAHAHWHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHWHAHHAHAHAHHWHAHAHAHWHAHHHAHAHAHAH
I could go on, if fact I think I will
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHbWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Read into a lot of the so called engineers, just because I design a house on minecraft, doesn't mean I'm an engineer

I've got one last question before I'm out, do either of onetwo or Raf stick with the side of the Sandy Hook Conspiracy?

I attended lectures by one of the world's leading building pathologists and he discredited much of these 'engineers' and their theories as bunkum.

by Guest Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:54 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
Rowley wrote:What is interesting about Project MKUltra is it was apparently ended in 1973, and the first reports about it appeared in 1974. This does somewhat come back to the point many of us have made on here about how inefficient governments are at covering up their mistakes. Does make you wonder why they have bucked the trend of inefficiency for 9/11.

but they have not bucked anything. They have just flat out IGNORED and RUBBISHED attemps by academics, scientists, engineers and family members of the dead by hiding behind a veil of fear and patriotism.

Many 9-11 truth seekers are ready to take the matter to a court of law but the government won't allow it.

why?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAWHAHAHWHAHAHAHAHAHAHWHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHWHAHHAHAHAHHWHAHAHAHWHAHHHAHAHAHAH
I could go on, if fact I think I will
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHbWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Read into a lot of the so called engineers, just because I design a house on minecraft, doesn't mean I'm an engineer

I've got one last question before I'm out, do either of onetwo or Raf stick with the side of the Sandy Hook Conspiracy?

I attended lectures by one of the world's leading building pathologists and he discredited much of these 'engineers' and their theories as bunkum.

I once attended a lecture and the chief speaker eloquently explained just how the government did in fact mastermind the whole thing.

When I say "attended a lecture", I mean "went to the zoo"
When I say "chief speaker" I mean "monkey in a cage"
When I say "eloquently explained just how the government did in fact mastermind the whole thing" I mean "threw his own sh!t around"

by Derbymanc Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:25 am

Well they do say that if you throw enough sh!t some of it sticks.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:54 pm

Duty281 wrote:Of course you're not a nutjob; you're just vainly arguing in the face of some overwhelming evidence and logical reason without offering much in return.

Sounds like you, one minute you argue the BNP are left-wing and the next you come out with this;

Duty281 wrote: They are certainly right-wing, yes, but not far-right like the BNP, and to lump them in the same category is a trifle erroneous.

by Duty281 Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:58 pm

I do apologise if I've upset your party of choice, C_S, do forgive me.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:06 pm

Duty281 wrote:I do apologise if I've upset your party of choice, C_S, do forgive me.

I think it highlights how you change your opinion depending on the debate. You should vote Lib dem.

by Derbymanc Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:08 pm

Duty just be happy with the fact you can have a debate, more than some can say Wink

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:09 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:I could post a hundred articles opposing your views but whats the point.

I'm not trying to convince you I just have my own opinion based on the nature of some administrations in the past and what they have done.

I questioned the reasons for the war in Iraq and called it out as lies from the start when we was bombared with lie after lie in the media and guess what I was right history has proven this. Multiple thousands of people killed off the back of a lie but this is a trivial matter for you. You seem to not be bothered with this fact, it does not disturb you one bit.

So good luck to you.

It is funny how the reasons for going to war in Iraq in 03 was because they had WMD and could launch an attack against the UK in like 30 mins and then when no WMD's were ever found the reason changed to removing Saddam Hussein who was a dictator and giving democracy to the people of Iraq.

Iraq was a complete failure but at least it highlighted to the British people that we don't need to interfere in foreign countries issues (we should kee our noses out) and the British people put pressure on the government not to invade Syria or take military action against Syria which I have no doubt would have turned into a very messy job where countless lives would have been lost.

by Duty281 Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:13 pm

Yes well I've never said the BNP were left-wing, but I do know you struggle with reading comprehension, so its perfectly understandable.

I said they had some left-wing policies - which is correct - but their proper designation would still be far-right; a designation that would differ from UKIP, hence my original point.

by Duty281 Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:18 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Duty just be happy with the fact you can have a debate, more than some can say

Chin, chin! mug

Wonder how long before C_S becomes obsessed with me again?

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:27 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Duty just be happy with the fact you can have a debate, more than some can say

Chin, chin!

Wonder how long before C_S becomes obsessed with me again?

Obsessed with you or obsessed with the ficticious profile you claim is you?

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:28 pm

Duty281 wrote:Yes well I've never said the BNP were left-wing, .

Yes you did treacle

by Derbymanc Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:35 pm

Think it's already started duty, lucky you Wink

by Duty281 Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:54 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Think it's already started duty, lucky you

Yay!

And I'm worried how he's worked out this profile of mine is fictitious - how did he know my real name isn't Duty281?! Shocked

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:11 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Think it's already started duty, lucky you

Yay!

And I'm worried

You should be worried, anyone who feels the need to create a false persona that they are 17 and a homosexual on an internet forum has a lot to worry about.

In fact anyone who pretends that they are a girl on an internet forum has a lot to worry about which is something you did as evidenced by Tophat not knowing what gender you were.

TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

by Derbymanc Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:14 pm

I hate to prod the poop but isn't Duty 18?

Hasn't it been proven by one of the mods (who went through the thread in question) and your statement that Duty said he was a girl was proven to be false?

At the end of the day who cares anyway unless your trying to get into his pants?

by Duty281 Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:16 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Think it's already started duty, lucky you

Yay!

And I'm worried

You should be worried, anyone who feels the need to create a false persona that they are 17 and a homosexual on an internet forum has a lot to worry about.

In fact anyone who pretends that they are a girl on an internet forum has a lot to worry about which is something you did as evidenced by Tophat not knowing what gender you were.

TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

I'm 18, not 17. And when I were 15 when I first came to this place.

Do keep up, Dorothy! Laugh

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:23 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Think it's already started duty, lucky you

Yay!

And I'm worried

You should be worried, anyone who feels the need to create a false persona that they are 17 and a homosexual on an internet forum has a lot to worry about.

In fact anyone who pretends that they are a girl on an internet forum has a lot to worry about which is something you did as evidenced by Tophat not knowing what gender you were.

TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

I'm 18, not 17. And when I were 15 when I first came to this place.

Do keep up, Dorothy!

it is one thing telling a lie and getting other people to believe it but it is another thing and a rather worrying thing when you tell a lie and you start to believe your own lies.

by Derbymanc Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:27 pm

'It must be love, loooove, love dun dunnnnnn'

by Duty281 Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:29 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Think it's already started duty, lucky you

Yay!

And I'm worried

You should be worried, anyone who feels the need to create a false persona that they are 17 and a homosexual on an internet forum has a lot to worry about.

In fact anyone who pretends that they are a girl on an internet forum has a lot to worry about which is something you did as evidenced by Tophat not knowing what gender you were.

TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

I'm 18, not 17. And when I were 15 when I first came to this place.

Do keep up, Dorothy!

it is one thing telling a lie and getting other people to believe it but it is another thing and a rather worrying thing when you tell a lie and you start to believe your own lies.

Oh I see, that's taken from your vast personal experience on the matter of lying. thumbsup

I'll be sure to keep your experiences in mind if I found myself in the same situation (unlikely though!).

by Duty281 Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:30 pm

Derbymanc wrote:'It must be love, loooove, love dun dunnnnnn'

And then I go and spoil it all by saying something stupid... Laugh

He's trying to bridge the age gap anyway he can!

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:31 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Derbymanc wrote:Think it's already started duty, lucky you

Yay!

And I'm worried

You should be worried, anyone who feels the need to create a false persona that they are 17 and a homosexual on an internet forum has a lot to worry about.

In fact anyone who pretends that they are a girl on an internet forum has a lot to worry about which is something you did as evidenced by Tophat not knowing what gender you were.

TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

I'm 18, not 17. And when I were 15 when I first came to this place.

Do keep up, Dorothy!

it is one thing telling a lie and getting other people to believe it but it is another thing and a rather worrying thing when you tell a lie and you start to believe your own lies.

Oh I see, that's taken from your vast personal experience on the matter of lying.

I'll be sure to keep your experiences in mind if I found myself in the same situation (unlikely though!).

You already lied about your gender and your age and your sexuality haha

Just look above for the tohat quote regarding your gender that you casually ignored Laugh

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:32 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

by Derbymanc Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:33 pm

Wasn't that a sarcastic reply when you brought it up again?

You need to post the rest of it so we can see

by Duty281 Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:36 pm

Are you a bit slow today, C_S?

I brought that quote to your attention.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:38 pm

Duty281 wrote:Are you a bit slow today, C_S?

I brought that quote to your attention.

TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

Just let that settle in for a few minutes

by Duty281 Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:39 pm

Hmmm...here's another one:

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:Duty is not really gay it is just a false personna he created. Last year he pretended he was a girl so I wouldn't take his word for it that he is gay or that he is 18.

He got rather fixated on this idea.

Think that's classic CS confusion.

From memory, and where I think this came from, is that you were referred to in feminine form by one of the Founders when notfying us that you'd been put on a temporary ban. Nothing derogatory, just something like using 'she' or 'her', which everyone latched on to.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:41 pm

Duty281 wrote:Hmmm...here's another one:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:Duty is not really gay it is just a false personna he created. Last year he pretended he was a girl so I wouldn't take his word for it that he is gay or that he is 18.

He got rather fixated on this idea.

Think that's classic CS confusion.

From memory, and where I think this came from, is that you were referred to in feminine form by one of the Founders when notfying us that you'd been put on a temporary ban. Nothing derogatory, just something like using 'she' or 'her', which everyone latched on to.

Stop trying to squirm your way out of it.

You said you was a girl that is where the confusion came from.

TopHat24/7 wrote:still not even sure what gender he/she is tbh.......

by Derbymanc Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:43 pm

Nope, still no proof of that CS, like I said Toppy was taking the mick out of you.

by GSC Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:43 pm

Where is this Duty post claiming to be female?

by Duty281 Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:44 pm

Nope...the confusion stemmed from me making a rather politically incorrect joke which was deemed homophobic. Thusly, some people got confused about my gender.

Keep trying! You'll still be wrong.

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:47 pm

Duty281 wrote:Nope...the confusion stemmed from me making a rather politically incorrect joke which was deemed homophobic. Thusly, some people got confused about my gender.

Keep trying! You'll still be wrong.

The confusion came from you saying you was a girl.

by Derbymanc Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:47 pm

No your confused cause you keep hoping he's a girl

by Duty281 Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:48 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Nope...the confusion stemmed from me making a rather politically incorrect joke which was deemed homophobic. Thusly, some people got confused about my gender.

Keep trying! You'll still be wrong.

The confusion came from you saying you was a girl.

Two words, lawyer boy: Prove it. laughing

by Champagne_Socialist Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:49 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Nope...the confusion stemmed from me making a rather politically incorrect joke which was deemed homophobic. Thusly, some people got confused about my gender.

Keep trying! You'll still be wrong.

The confusion came from you saying you was a girl.

Two words, lawyer boy: Prove it.

So you are admitting that you lied youw as a girl. hence why you want to change the subject...

by Derbymanc Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:50 pm

twisting in the wind

by Duty281 Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:50 pm

No I want you to prove it. Should be simple enough.

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